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Does load density make a difference
« on: July 04, 2004, 03:13:43 PM »
When loading various calibers, lets say 7mm Rem. for instance. . .   We are generally told to try to load for the highest load density that we can to insure consistent ignition in any hunting/shooting circumstance.  But some calibers, like the 7mm Rem, have what I would consider low load densities of basically under 85% for 150 gn bullets and under 80% for 160 gn bullets.  I understand that these bullets are made longer in order to get the weight with the 284 diameter so the bullet is actually seated deeper than say a 30 cal bullet would be.  Does this even out the lower load density, or am I missing something?

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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2004, 06:09:33 PM »
Yes, it makes a big difference. Here's why: With any propellent, the most uniform burn comes from a charge where the individual granules of powder are packed together. If there are any gaps, the burn will get interrupted, slow down, then start again. The surface area exposed to the primer flash is important.

Example: lets say a cartridge has been loaded only half full of powder that is laying in the bottom of the case. When the primer ignites, it will "see" more powder surface area and will initially ignite at least 4 times the powder than it would in a 100% loaded case. The pressure will peak very quickly, possibly to a dangerously high level. Then the pressure will drop until the remainder of the powder gets ignited. This causes a second peak and possibly a third peak.

Now we shoot a second round (same load). Because of  recoil or gun position, the powder isn't laying in the case the same as it was on the first round. The second charge will ignite and burn much different than the first, thus different pressure and velocity.

In a 100% charged round, the primer ignites only the powder directly in front of it. In turn, the burning powder ignites the powder in front of it and so on until all the powder has burned. This creates a gradually increasing, single, predictable pressure peak. Each round fired will create a near identical pressure peak. A chronograph will prove the uniform velocity and the target will prove the accuracy.

Usually any rifle cartridge with 75% occupied space in the case will create one predictable peak. The closer you get to 100%, the more predictable the burn will be. If your bullet is occupying space in the case body, that counts.
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« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2004, 04:31:58 AM »
Iowegan,

 Then this is why the 7mm Rem caliber can still be an accurate cartridge even with the lower load densities.  This is something that always bothered me about this caliber, even though mine is a good shooter.  

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« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2004, 11:02:05 AM »
Longwinters, Powder manufacturers make many different powders with different burn rates. The powder that best "fits" your cartridge is the one that gives best load density (nearly fills the case with the recommended load). As a rule, the slower the burn rate, the higher the load density. Powders with a lower load density can produce safe and accurate loads too, however they tend to be fussy. By that I mean a few tenths of a grain above or below the sweetspot will loose accuracy. You'll find with high density loads, a few grains difference will change the velocity but won't affect the accuracy at all.

Example: I use Varget in my 223 Rem. With the max load for a 55 gr bullet (27.5 gr), the powder totally fills the case. I use 26.5 gr, which is still a compressed load. These will shoot extremely well in nearly any rifle. I have also used H322, IMR 4895, and several others and when a load is worked up for one gun, it probably won't be as accurate in a different gun. Also, a difference of .2 grains can change the accuracy from .5MOA to 3 MOA in the same gun. With the Varget (100% load density), I can vary the load from 24 gr to 27.5 and still get excellent accuracy. That would equate to a 7 or 8 grain swing in a 7mm Mag.

H870 has the best loading density and is the least fussy in a 7mm Mag. My old Browning BAR will hold less than 1 MOA with 160 or 175 gr bullets through a range of 5 grains of powder.  The velocity definitely changes, but the accuracy remains constant. The only down side is you get fewer loads per pound of powder and you must use mag primers.
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 02:35:47 PM »
Gee, you are full of good advice tonite (of course your comments are always well read by me).  I will procure some of the H870 and give it a try tomorrow.

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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 04:17:53 PM »
H870 might be pretty scarce in the UP. Some other good ones are Re 22, RE 25, H-1000, and IMR 7828. Look in your reloading manuals to see if any of these have listed loads.  Your dealer should carry at least one of of them.
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2004, 04:17:31 AM »
I have used Re-22 and IMR4831.  But for load density your recommendation of IMR7828 seems to be worth a try.  I did see last nite that H870 was no longer produced since 2002 and was actually produced for the military and what was sold was surplus.  Hmmm...just my luck 2 years too late :)

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