Sighting in problem??

[non typical]

I have a SS Lam. 209X50 encore.No matter what powder-bullet combo I shoot,the first 3 shots are 8-12" high!! I find it hard to shoot when after those inital shots are fired its low?? High or low it shoots .5-.75" groups @ 100yds. Ive tried fouled barrel,clean barrel,cant win.I have a weaver base,leupold PAW rings and leupold 3X9 var. 2 scope.Belm oversized pin and 2.25# trigger.Taken scope assembly off remounted,same thing.
ANY HELPFUL INFO. APPRECIATED!!

THANKS
PETE

[DEPUTY]

either bad scope, or bad head placment on stock, would be my guest or bad forearm

[crow_feather]

You can go over to E-bay and buy a weaver straight power scope for a few centavos, then keep it for those times you worry about a scope going bad.  Just switch scopes and see if the problem continues.  You can also check the scope mounts during the switch.
Hope you get it figured out,

C F

[SURVEYOR]

I have a SS Lam. 209X50 encore.No matter what powder-bullet combo I shoot,the first 3 shots are 8-12" high!! I find it hard to shoot when after those inital shots are fired its low?? High or low it shoots .5-.75" groups @ 100yds. Ive tried fouled barrel,clean barrel,cant win.I have a weaver base,leupold PAW rings and leupold 3X9 var. 2 scope.**** oversized pin and 2.25# trigger.Taken scope assembly off remounted,same thing.
ANY HELPFUL INFO. APPRECIATED!!

THANKS
PETE

Sounds like an forearm problem to me! Don't ask me why I say this. But your groups are great, they're just moving around to different POI's.

I had an Rem 742 a few years ago that was doing the same thing. Cost me the biggest buck of my life. I was going to re-barrel it. Made a wrench to take the barrel nut off, and guess what. The thing came loose with very little pressure. A little more than hand tight. I removed the barrel, lapped it, and put it back on this time with LocTite and the correct amount of torque. I still have this rifle and 20 deer lated she's still doing fine.

So what does this have to do with your problem. If the forearm is binding and moving around between groups, the POI will change. Seems I read some where of forearm problems on the Encores before. Sand the barrel channel smooth making sure there are no high spots. And take a rubber O-ring and put between the inside of the forearm and barrel lug to free float it. The only other thing is your action is not locking up the same every time. Could be too tight, or have a high spot that changes with heat, cooling, or recoil.

I don't own a T/C Encore. Nice rifle thou. I'm a White Boy!

I hope I didn't start any thing by crossing between CF's, ML'ers, and Whites!

Good Luck,

Jules J.

[Redhawk1]

I have a SS Lam. 209X50 encore.No matter what powder-bullet combo I shoot,the first 3 shots are 8-12" high!! I find it hard to shoot when after those inital shots are fired its low?? High or low it shoots .5-.75" groups @ 100yds. Ive tried fouled barrel,clean barrel,cant win.I have a weaver base,leupold PAW rings and leupold 3X9 var. 2 scope.**** oversized pin and 2.25# trigger.Taken scope assembly off remounted,same thing.
ANY HELPFUL INFO. APPRECIATED!!

THANKS
PETE

Sounds like an forearm problem to me! Don't ask me why I say this. But your groups are great, they're just moving around to different POI's.

I had an Rem 742 a few years ago that was doing the same thing. Cost me the biggest buck of my life. I was going to re-barrel it. Made a wrench to take the barrel nut off, and guess what. The thing came loose with very little pressure. A little more than hand tight. I removed the barrel, lapped it, and put it back on this time with LocTite and the correct amount of torque. I still have this rifle and 20 deer lated she's still doing fine.

So what does this have to do with your problem. If the forearm is binding and moving around between groups, the POI will change. Seems I read some where of forearm problems on the Encores before. Sand the barrel channel smooth making sure there are no high spots. And take a rubber O-ring and put between the inside of the forearm and barrel lug to free float it. The only other thing is your action is not locking up the same every time. Could be too tight, or have a high spot that changes with heat, cooling, or recoil.

I don't own a T/C Encore. Nice rifle thou. I'm a White Boy!

I hope I didn't start any thing by crossing between CF's, ML'ers, and Whites!

Good Luck,

Jules J.

No worries here, some times you have to make a comparison. All help is welcome.

[Vapour]

I have this exact problem in my SS/wood 209X50 (except that my first three shots are only 3-4 inches high).  Groups are 1" or less wherever they fall.  I still have this even after removing a bit of wood from the barrel channel and using nylon washers to semi-free float the barrel.  Haven't played with it for the last couple of trips to the range, because I got a bit sick of messing with the gun.  Right now I'm just planning on hunting with a fouled barrel.

Please post if you find a fix.

[non typical]

Thanks guys, keep'em coming!!

PETE
 

[iisabigone]

Hey non typical sounds to me you have a problem that a lot of people are striving for  (first three shots hit in the same place .5 to .75 group). Great shooting!  

I typically sight my gun in to hunt on a clean barrel. If I have to fire more than one shot during a muzzleloading hunt something good has happend (Two bucks are down and I need some help gutting and dragging) or (I have made a bad decision or bad shot).

All my bp guns start off on a cold clean barrel with one definite point of impact(typically high) and it varies with each gun how much. As the bore is fouled from each following shot (even if I have spit patch swabed) the pressure of the powder going of and the bullet traveling down the barrel changes. Thus your change in impact.  When the groves of the bore get filled up with fouling the gun becomes more stable and a new point of impact is redily apparent. However, do you want to leave your bore all fouled up and let rust and corrosion ruin your barrel.  Some people like to leave their bore dirty and hunt like that. I just cant stand the idea taking the chance of ruining my gun. So I clean my gun regularly and hunt on a clean barrel.

It takes some extra range time to set up for the first shot on the clean barrel.  However, it has paid off for me over the years.

Just my humble opinion on point of impact changes. I dont know if is addressing your problem for sure.

You may have some other problems like loose bases or a bad scope Im not sure how much bp experience you have but your question is a problem that has been addressed a lot before in bp circles.

[SURVEYOR]

Thanks guys, keep'em coming!!  
 
PETE  
 

 
 
Pete,  
 
You say first 3 shots, good group.  
 
Then you say next groups, same good groups, but in different locations.  
 
 
Step by step explain how you shooting session goes.
 
First shots.
 
Next shots.
 
Next shots.
 
 
8 to 12 inches between groups is a lot.
 
Jules J.