Author Topic: Blems (Read 1384 times)

longwinters · « **on:** July 10, 2004, 11:14:29 AM »

I have seen where several manufacturers of bullets sell their blems. Shooters Pro Shop sells Nosler Partitions for $12.95, Ballistic Tips for $7.97 - $9.95 as well as Accubonds etc... I know you can on occaision get Ballistic tips for not much more but for Partitions it looked like a good deal. I understand that Sierra and Hornady also sell blems but will have to look them up. I have also seen Weatherby blem rifles in Gander Mountain but that does not fit this forum

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SLAVAGE · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2004, 12:03:34 PM »

if you find hornadys blems let me know will you, i tryed noslers an out of a box of 50 i was happy with them

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** July 11, 2004, 10:57:54 AM »

Midsouth Shooter's Supply buys all Hornady blems. They may have a few left from the last buy but it is very limited now as most are gone. Will be many months before they will have them again.

GB

longwinters · « **Reply #3 on:** July 11, 2004, 03:11:28 PM »

Graybeard,

I looked at MidSouth. Any idea why they call the bullets "OEM"? At least that is what I think they called them. They looked like Hornady bullets to me but why don't they call them by their manufactured name?

Long

jhalcott · « **Reply #4 on:** July 11, 2004, 04:59:26 PM »

probably because the manufacturer doesn't want their name associated with "second class " components.

Graybeard · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2004, 01:46:18 AM »

That is correct. The manufacturer, in this case Hornady does NOT want their name associated with them because of the cosmetic ONLY blemishes on them. I've bought and used them and they are fine. Only cosmetic blemishes that do not affect performance or accuracy.

GB

John Traveler · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2004, 06:00:04 AM »

I agree with all you guys that use "blems" for your shooting needs.

For several years, friends and I bought our "blems" from Sierra Bullets when they were located in Santa Fe Springs, California. They were sold by caliber and by the POUND and amounted to about 1/3 the cost of factory boxed bullets. Out of the many tens of thousands that we used up, I can only recall a dozen or so that were unusable because of deformed jackets or missing cores. Everything else shot fine, including varmint hunting accuracy.

KN · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2004, 11:42:42 AM »

I have been buying seconds from Sierra, They are in Sedailia MO now. I have bought thousands of them. You do have to inspect them for things like a wrinkled jacket or some thing similar. Usually they will have a few that are missing the crimp groove. Most of my shooting is with TC's so its not a problem. I quit buying them in the 22 calibers though because some times they will get some different weights of bullets in the wrong barrel and then you end up sorting them. Too much trouble for what you are saving.

longwinters · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2004, 03:44:50 PM »

KN,

Is there a website that a guy can purchase them thru or is it only by walking thru their door?

Long

KN · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2004, 04:09:05 PM »

Their number is 1-800-223-8799. Just ask for the outlet desk. I'm not sure if they will sell and ship from there or not. You would have to ask. I usually go through Sadailia about twice a year so I can stock up on what I need then. They don't always have every bullet available. Its kind of a hit and miss proposition. Look on their web site, www.sierrabullets.com and decide what you are looking for before you call. They will tell you if they are available. Also their hours are some thing like 9:00-11:00 and again at 12:00 to 3:00. Hope this works for you. KN

Catfish · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:36:32 PM »

I once ordered a box of baulk bullets from Midway and got blems. They shot so bad that I have never ordered balk bullets again, let alone blems. If you just want blasting ammo ok, but if you want something with reasonable accuracy, don`t get blems.

KN · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:47:11 PM »

The bulk ammo you order from Sierra are the seconds. I have been using them in my prairie dog guns for several years without any problems. Granted you will probably get a flier once in a while but not enough to consider it a problem. KN

Catfish · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2004, 05:57:21 PM »

KN,
I was shooting them through a BR gun that would shoot good bullet to less than .200 with no wind all day. The bulk bullets I could not find on an 8 x 10 ft. backer. It did have alot of holes, but they were not on an 8 x 10 in. paper. That`s the only box I ever got.

Graybeard · « **Reply #13 on:** July 12, 2004, 11:39:54 PM »

I cannot speak for the other makers as I've not shot any of their blems. But Hornady apparently only sells or perhaps Midsouth only buys those that are cosmetic blems. No actual bullet defects ever noted in many thousands of them I've bought and used. I rate them 100% as far as performance is concerned. Accuracy has been fully equal to normal retail box bullets.

GB

longwinters · « **Reply #14 on:** July 13, 2004, 11:55:14 AM »

I got a note from the Hornady Webmaster today that is a little confusing. I sent them an e-mail asking where I could get their blem bullets and if MidSouth OEM bullets were actually Hornadys. Their reply was that "our reject or blemished bullets are only sold over the counter here at the factory". :eek: :? :?

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Graybeard · « **Reply #15 on:** July 13, 2004, 04:32:12 PM »

:oh: :yeah: :eek:

Me thinks I'd call that intentionally deceiving the public. Ya know anyone else who makes 7mm bullet weights of 139 and 154 grains? Me neither. Who else besides Speer makes JHPs for the .475/.480 rounds? Who else does BOTH?

No one. Look at the line up at Midsouth. Compare it to the Hornady bullet line up. Identical. :roll:

GB

longwinters · « **Reply #16 on:** July 13, 2004, 04:47:42 PM »

I'm agreeing with you GB. I suppose MidSouth can send somebody over to Hornady and they could buy the blems "over the counter" but then to sell them under a different name?

I would think if Hornady was not in agreement it would be a legal issue. Seems to be a few wrinkles in this road. :eek:

Long

varmit_master · « **Reply #17 on:** July 17, 2004, 05:12:06 AM »

Hi i have bought Nosler BT bullets in 22 cal and they work great i will uy the 2nd's and save money the extra money i save i can buy powder for coyote the coyotes and crows dont care if they are 2nds or blems bullets

VM

ajj · « **Reply #18 on:** July 29, 2004, 04:03:29 AM »

There's a good store in Searcy, AR about 40 miles from the Remington factory called Blue Star Cartridge and Brass. Google up their website. In times past they've had great deals on Remington "factory pulled" bullets, as in $50 per thousand for 150 and 170 gr 30-30 Corelokt and the same price for 180 303's. The bullets have small pull marks but shoot just fine. There is NO accuracy difference. Haven't bought any in a few years and availability always depended on what Remington had pulled down that month but it's worth a try.

warf73 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 30, 2004, 12:14:09 AM »

I didn't see to many good deals? But maybe they have specials?

I would like to find a good source of .20cal blems any know of a place?

Thanks Warf

Graybeard · « **Reply #20 on:** July 30, 2004, 12:33:51 PM »

I believef Midsouth Shooters Supply still has a large quantity of those for sale. Check them out at www.midsouthshooterssupply.com or call them at 1-800-272-3000.

Last time I looked they had the .20s still available.

GB

warf73 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 30, 2004, 10:37:41 PM »

No.

They don't have any :cry:

O well

Thanks GB

varmit_master · « **Reply #22 on:** August 05, 2004, 09:54:48 AM »

Hi Ajj i was in Blue Star last week and got some 22 cal 55gr V-max to try out i have alway shot 55gr BT do you think the V-max will shoot the same as the BT out of my 22 250 and the guy at Blue Star has some good prices on the bullets and primers that is ther i buy all my primers and i ask about the the blems in the V-max and he said he couldnt get them he was telling me about all the bullets he got from the Rem factory he said he sold out in know time on them i like buying fron him on the bullets to he will sell you 10 to a 1000 bullets to try out i bought 50 55 gr v-max to try out of my 22 250 but i am stock up on BT for a while i buy the 2nd's from Nolser for coyote hunt and you cant beat the price all you can buy all you want and the shipping is 5.95 it dont matter how much you buy PLEASE let me know if you think the V-max will shoot as the same as the BT bullets thanks VM

Graybeard · « **Reply #23 on:** August 05, 2004, 11:47:01 AM »

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PLEASE let me know if you think the V-max will shoot as the same as the BT bullets thanks VM

Different loads and bullets are gonna do differently in your guns BUT I've really noticed no accuracy edge either the BT or V-MAX has over the other. Both will usually shoot as well as you and the rifle are capable of.

BTW I'm currently in negotiations with Midsouth Shooters Supply and hope to add them as an advertiser in the very near future. Nothing is finalized but it looks promising. I've been a customer for a long time and have nothing but good experiences with them so sure would like to add them.

GB

varmit_master · « **Reply #24 on:** August 06, 2004, 08:11:51 AM »

HI GB i was think would the 55gr BT and the V_max do you think would shoot in the about the same place i am going to load with the same gr of powder and i have never shot any v-max before and i too have got good buys from MidSouth Shooters Supply they are good people to buy from VM

Graybeard · « **Reply #25 on:** August 06, 2004, 10:05:04 AM »

I will NEVER EVER bet on two different bullets or bullet weights of the same brand shooting to the same place. Over the years I've done a LOT of load developement where I'd take anywhere from 2 to 5 different bullets and maybe as many powders and load them up in increments from minimum to maximum and head to the range.

I've seen too many times a tenth of a grain of powder change POI by inches and change of powder or bullet of same weight even more. It might be they'd hit to same POI and it might be they won't.

GB

longwinters · « **Reply #26 on:** August 06, 2004, 11:23:39 AM »

I have no where near the reloading and shooting experience as GB does. But of probably 100 bullets/powder/primer combinations I have found a few that shoot to same Point of Aim. But you can't ever take it for granted that this will be the case. The other day I found loads for 308 where Sierra 150 Spitzers and 165 HPBT shoot to the same place. Even with the same powder but at different grain weights. I also have combo's for my 243 that will do the same. But I found them by accident not plan

Long

varmit_master · « **Reply #27 on:** August 13, 2004, 01:41:21 AM »

Hi i can take Varget 36.5 grs and a 55gr BT and take a Hornady 50gr SPSX with Varget 36.0 grs and at a 100 yrds the 2 loads will shoot in the same place out of my 22 250 i use the SX on crows and the BT on coyotes i am going to load up some 55gr V-Max and see how they group thank for your help GB and every body VM