Volshooter. The key in this question is weather the shooting that the individual got involved in was one that he could not walk away from.....i.e. it was one that was rulled by the judicial system to be Justified (justifiable homocide). In this case the criminal justice system is not going to care weather ya used any of the aformentioned factory rounds,or for that matter a handload. The shooter acted in a proper manner to protect himself or others from great bodily harm or death. What you,the shooter was using to stop the bad guy from whatever he was doing which was grave enough to require that you do so is not going to be a problem. From a .22 to a small cannon. That is not going to be a problem. What the entire content of this information is,is what occures after the judicial system concluded that you were rightious,meaning weather you violated any types of criminal law. If they clear ya,it is a good shoot. Now,where the problem comes in is is CIVIL COURT. Meaning the bad guys relatives are trying toproove a wrongfull death on your part. Believe me,if you get involved in a shoot,and even if you are cleared by the judicial system(criminally speaking) ,the bad guy,if not killed can go after you for..maiming him or whatever. His relatives,live in gfriend,and so forth can,and will go after you for doing the shoot. I dont like this,but nontheless it is going to happen in about 100 percent of the cases that do accure that were ruled justifiable. Civil court is a pain in the butt. If they can show(not the prosecutor now) but thier private attourney that you manufactured rounds that were...more..devastating than what was commercially manufactured,you will b painted as a gunslinger in court. Your atty is going to have to attempt to get around this. He may or may not be sucessfull on this bent. The judge is the one that has to be convinced,or fer that matter a jury. It makes no differance in this arena if you were a civilian doing the shooting,or a LEO. What my point is,dont put any more wildcards into the game that are necessary . You want to make yourself look like a harvey milktoast that was simply going about your business when ya got jumped by the bad guy.,all you did was defend your life and the bad guy lost. Attempt to keep everything as simpla as possible. Again the last thing that you want to do is paint yourself in a light other that what actually occured. If you used handloaded ammo,it is a wild card that they will use against you. The jury might totally agree with what you did,but the fact that ya turned him inside out from yer hopped up load is going to cause them to think a little. I tell everyone that asks me,including off duty officers,to carry your department ammo in your off duty gun,same as when on duty. It will be kinda hard for thier atty to go after you for using something that the LEO use to protect themselves,or what you can get over the counter to do so. Now in ref to the hp rounds like black talon,and other hp. They are constructed to give a limited amount of penitration,in order to make them into a limited penitration round,and still do thier job,they are constructed in hp configuration.,and inturn to expand in a controlled manner. The last thing you want to get into is your home brewed round going through the perpatrater and hitting granny goodwitch walking her grandkids down the street getting an icecream cone. Now,where and when the altercation occured is not up to you,the shooter. It is up to where the bad guys says its gunna happen. If he decides yer gunna get robbed in the parking lot a a popular local stop and rob,then thats where its gunna happen. You dont want that special something going through him,and inturn hitting that innocent bystander,cause now he is gunna name ya in the suit besides the perps relatives. By now you should figure that in the civil court you are getting a little outnumbered,and thier are a lot more plaintiffs involved,not to mention the confusion. So far there have not been any lawsuites ...sucessfully that I know about with a civilian,or a LEO,where a bystander was hit by a shoot through . As a former LEO,I am one of the few(meaning I did not have any rank,just a grunt cop)that was totally for a civilians rights to carry at anytime,providing he did not have an alcohol problem or being a prior criminal. Why would anyone,who does carry,want to color himself as anything but an innocent person attempting to go about his business when he smoked a bad guy. Some atty will and have,looked on that individual as being someone that is looking for a fight because of the simple fact that he wanted to,and used,ammo that he made himself. If you are having problems with factory rounds in your gun,purchase differand makes,and round configurations untill you do get one that does not cause you problems. I carry all of the time,and every round that is in my gun is made at a factory. As for the cost of purchasing that ammo,look at the cost of the civil suite that is going to occure when you do get into trouble that you could not avoid. A lot of LEO are commng around to really liking civilians carrying,we dont care what ya were using,we just want ya safe. The less factors that are inserted into a shoot the better. Now,im not telling ya this cause I like to type my friend,im telling ya what can and does occure,you have to make up your own mind where ya wanna be,and a civil trial is gunna probably end up being the cost of your home,savings and just plain lots of money,and that is if ya win. Now,as fer killing snakes. I think that is the most idiotic thing that ya can do. That animal is not a threat to ya,so why kill it,its just going around making a living fer itself. I will not kill anything unless im going to eat it,or it is a direct and immeadiate threat to my health . Stay safe,and I hope ya understand where im comming from. King
