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Offline X-man

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« on: July 16, 2004, 11:08:37 AM »
Hey Guys,

I'm looking to purchase my first dedicated Varmint Rifle. After years of lobbying, Newfoundland hunters finally convinced our Provincial government to set a dedicated Coyote season (The coyotes only had to eat 50,000 Caribou & Moose calves in the past 2 years to finally convince DNR "experts" that "maybe" coyotes have become a problem!)

To be honest, I'd really rather if Newfoundland had escaped the scourge of these pests (They first crossed over onto the Island of Newfoundland on pack ice during Winter of 1986 and have since spread across the island and now have a population of tens of thousands.) Then I wouldn't have to worry about my beagles in the woods during bunny season!

Anyhow, I'm looking for a good balance of quality and price. I think a good bolt action is the way to go. We're limited to centerfire .22 only, although we can also shoot any coyotes we see while big game hunting using whatever big game caliber we're shooting at the time.  I'm leaning toward the .223, since I already load for that, there is an abundant supply of commercial ammo available and should be fine out to 200 yards. I don't forsee taking much longer shots than that. My AR-15's would be ideal, but we're not permitted to use "assault" type rifles for hunting purposes. I'm looking at a second hand Remington 700, new Remington Model 7 or a new Savage 110, maybe one of the new LE models wit the 20" bbl?

Any suggestions or favorites? :-)
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« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2004, 03:43:53 PM »
X-man, I like the 223 for predator hunting. I've had several 223 bolt guns for this specific purpose. These rifles included the Rem. 700, Ruger MK II SS, and a Rem. Model 7. I finally settled on the Rem. M7. It's light, easy to carry and shoots very well. I bought a Youth model (cheaper) and then swapped out the stock. I also gave the rifle a matte black finish for all weather durability. I topped it off with a Bushnell Elite 3200 3-9x40. They are worth a close look. MI VHNTR
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2004, 06:22:41 PM »
X-man.I do quite a bit of Coyote-hunting in the BC-Interior and i had several Varmint rifles,but the one i use more than any other is a Remington 700 in 22-250 as i have more reach than with a 222 or 223,just in case those coyotes don't co-operate and sometimes they don't.But there is nothing bad i've to say about the 223.I think you'll be doing fine with a 223.Gun-wise, i guess,it's up to predilection on your part and they all shoot fine with the purpose you have in mind.It's great to see you getting into coyote-hunting as population are on the rise pretty much all over Canada.Good luck with them coyotes!!!

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2004, 04:46:10 AM »
Hi X-man i would go with the 22 250 if you get one to hang up out there you can kill him good luck VM :D

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2004, 07:04:23 AM »
Thanks for the input guys. I've considered the .22-250, it is a popular seal rifle down my way. I haven't ruled it out yet. I think I'm leaning toward either the 700 or Model 7. The latter is a neat little package. The 220 Swift was also in contention, but I hope to shoot this rifle a lot, so have kind of put that chambering on the back burner. The Swift is a great cartridge, but it is a barrel burner.

As for optics, I'll be going with the Bushnell Elite 4200 with Rainguard. If you're familiar with Newfoundland weather, you know that it isn't kind to wood stocks or glass. Our Falls are generally wet and damp...as is most of the year :grin: so an all weather type hunting package is a must. Synthetic or laminate stocks are the only way to go and in terms of glass, there is nothing better for Newfoundland weather than the top end Bushnell Elite 3200/4200 series.

I have more expensive scopes, including several Leupold Vari X-III, the Elite 4200s do not give anything up to them in terms of clarity or brightness, and I've found that the latter can take much more punishment than the Leupolds. One Leupold I have is about 15 years old, the others were all made within the last 3-4 years. There is a difference in quality. I actually had one of the newer scopes fail on me during a Moose hunt two years ago. Leupold replaced the scope. However, the next year I used the Bushnell exclusively. Zero problems, and that included a dunk in the Southwest Gander River! It seems like were paying more for the name these days than the old school craftsmanship Leupold used to be famous for.

I'm sure I'll have more questions in the days and weeks to come. Still working on my predator calling! Take care guys!
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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2004, 02:22:46 PM »
Xman,
Not being familliar with your area its hard to make a just judgment. But a couple of thoughts came to mind as i was reading your post. First let me say that any of the rounds mentioned above would work for what you are going to do. The most practical one would be the 223rem do to the cost of your ammo. The 22-250 is the most versatile of all. And about the 220 swift, It has gotten a lot of bad press about being a barrel burner, Well i have shot the 220 for quite a while with out burning out my barrel. I got my 220 in 1951 and it is still going strong today,, Any way i'm sure you will come up with something that will work for you. The very best to you Sir and i hope our paths will cross again some day.......Joe.............
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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2004, 03:14:31 PM »
Unless you have extra money you WANT to spend try a H&R/NEF  Handirifle in .223 or 22-250 with a bull or standard barrel (I'd go with the .223 since you already load for it). This will cost you from about $200.00 on up (new) and will shoot with the best of them. Get an Ultra rifle in that caliber for a few bucks more and it's a beauty. Try a single shot, a true riflemans rifle...who knows you may catch the craze like many of us here have....<><.... :grin:  (P.S. - I have a NEF Bull Barrel .223 and boy does it shoot!!! If you don't like it your not out much and you can always send your receiver in and get addittional fitted barrels to it quite cheaply in 30-06, .280, 45-70 and MANY more plus shotgun barrels  in .410, 28, 20, 16,12, and 10 gauge!)
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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2004, 06:49:54 AM »
Ditto what MSP said.  

I have an Ultra in .223 and a spare barrel in 45-70.

You'll be amazed at how well these guns shoot for the money.
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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2004, 07:14:37 AM »
I would second the NEF/H&R recommendation! I have the H&R Ultra Varmint w/22" bull barrel, it's extremely accurate with a little trigger work and you'll have enough cash left  to buy some nice glass. My first trip to the range yielded best 100yd, 3 shot groups of .265" and .440" ctc and the rifle is new and this is with win white box 45gr JHP!! A little handloading and more shootin should make it a real shooter.

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2004, 02:09:37 PM »
There are so many good choice out there that you can`t hardly go wrong if you just want to kill coyotes. If you want to sell their hides though I would recomand the the .17 Rem. or the new .204 Ruger. They will both kill coyotes well and do alot less damage to the hides than the other factory rounds. Both will do a good job on coyotes to 300 yrs., the .204 alittle farther.

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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2004, 06:04:37 PM »
Quickdtoo,
Thats a pretty nice one shooter you have there, I've had a lot of fun with those little guns in all kinds of calibers, And you sure right about one thing they almost always need a little help with the trigger, But once you get passed that point they are shootin little dudes. I sold a bunch of them when i had my store and every one was happy with them. OH by the way its nice to see you youngens having a good time. hang in there Quick.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2004, 06:36:36 AM »
Thanks, Joe!   :grin:
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2004, 12:15:54 PM »
If you're looking for .223 or 22-250 also consider the Howa 1500 Lightning Varminter.  A real tack driver out of the box with factory fodder.  Mine shot .5" groups at 200yds with 40 and 50 gr VMax right after break in.  Liked the synthetic version so much I just bought two more with laminate stocks one for me and one for the wife.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2004, 01:04:46 PM »
The savage, howa, and weatherby vanguard have all been extreemly accurate out of the box for me.  They are all light enough to carry where some of the dedicated varmit rigs are built more for the bench rest p-dog shoots and weigh over 10 lbs.  The remington 700 or model 7 you mentioned would also suit you fine.  I am a fan of remington bolt guns but I hate to say that I have savage, howa, and weatherby vanguards that cost less and shoot better than most of my remington rifles.

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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2004, 04:38:52 PM »
my vanguard .243 has been an awesome rifle so far. the fit and finish are excellent, and it shoots beautifully. basically i put a scope on it and sighted it inand was really pleasantly surprised that a $400 rifle could look and shoot so well. I will never part with it.
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