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Offline goose7856

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« on: July 28, 2004, 05:34:04 PM »
OK, I'm tired of looking at these expensive rounds when I can make my own for cheaper and they will shoot better.  I don't even know where to start.  I know I should buy some kind of kit.  I have $160 to spend on reloading.  In the $160 I would also like to get about 40 rounds out.........meaning I don't want to spend all $160 in Machines, etc.

I don't know what I need.......and I dont know where to start.......will this be enough money or do I need to save a little more??...........what will it end up costing me??.......I have found the bullets I want to load (either the Hornady Interbond, 150 grain, 30-06......or the Swift Scirocco 150 grain, 30-06).  Please help because I don't know where to begin......I don't think I'm too young (15), and I think I have the smarts to understand it (I make a 4.0 in high school), but I'm just confused.......all types of advice are welcomed!!!

Thanx alot ahead of time!!
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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2004, 06:06:34 PM »
Buy Lee best value out there and their products work!  A lee hand press works great thats all I use and they only cost a 20 dollar bill. Lee powder scoops are cheap and will get you started along with a primer kit for priming the brass. Get Lee dies with the factory crimp die and you can make great ammo. While more stuff is great  this will get you started for a minor cash out lay and will make good hand loads. After you can add a trimmer, case polisher ect all the goodies that make it easier. I would buy the basics that I outlined first to see if you like it. Start simple buy sone standard bullets to practice reloading with before you buy those fancy expensive bullets. Get a good load worked up first with the cheaper bullets then switch to the more expensive if you want. Practice and using the equipment will get you where you want to go. A good reloading guide or 2 will tell you some good tips. Lymans reloading guides are great for beginners I would start with those. Keep going to the reloading sites on line and get books at the local library. If they do not have what you want ask them to get them for you. Good luck. Have fun and be learn good safety habbits. Jim
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2004, 10:47:26 PM »
IMO, the first thing you do should before you start buying equipment is get a good reloading manual, and I mean a store bought full blown manual, not the freebie ones that are given away by the manufacturers.  Those will come in handy later.  Many bullet and equipment manufacturers have their own version out but all of them will have what you need in the first few chapters.  This will be a detailed explaination of exactly what reloading entails, what you are doing in each step and what basic equipment you will need.  Of course, each manufacturer will be pushing their equipment but you will get the meaning .  When you have read and understand the basics, then you will know what you need when you go to the store and won't have to depend on a salesperson who may or may not have any more knowledge than you.
A lot of people start with Lee equipment because they offer a lot of value for the dollar and then change to more expensive brands later if it suits them.

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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2004, 11:11:49 PM »
I would buy the fallowing:

Lee Anniversary Reloading Kit with "Modern Reloading" Manual
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/820810


Lee Pacesetter 3-Die Set 30-06 Springfield
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/520790

Remington Core-Lokt Bullets 30 Caliber 150 Grain PSP Box of 100
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/168026

You will have to find primers and powder localy its cheaper no hazmat. charges.

Total cost as broken down:

Lee Press Kit   $77.99
Lee Dies         $18.29
Rem. Bullets   $8.99

Grand total -shipping(shipping to Kansas was $14.38 )   $105.27

That will get ya started.
If for some reason you dont like reloading you will be able to recoup most of your money by selling these items on Ebay.

If you throw in the cost of primes box of 1000 about $15.00
powder depends on brand but about $16.00 a lb.
(Powder and Primers are just a guess)

So if you went this route you could be reloading for under your price.

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2004, 01:16:58 AM »
You're not too young. I started just short of my 14th birthday - a LONG time ago. Like the a couple of the others, I like LEE products. Not too expensive, but a good value in my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2004, 04:15:04 AM »
Welcome to the addictive world of reloading.  My answer was pretty much going to be a mirror image of warf73's post as I agree with him completely.  The only thing I would add is to get ahold of as many reloading manuals that you can.  Read them thoroughly, especially the first few chapters.  

Lee is what I started on, and what I use now.  I have the small C Frame press that I used for about three years.  I recently upgraded to a Lee Classic Cast frame and I really like it.  

Personally, my favorite big game bullet is the Nosler Partition.  It's put a lot of meat on the table.  I use V Max bullets for coyotes and prairie dogs in the .223's.  

I am testing the new Hornady Interbond 165 grainer in my 300WSM right now, but don't have enough experience with it to really comment yet.  

Good luck on making your decision.  When you get started, there is a lot of people on this board that can answer any questions you may have.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2004, 02:58:43 PM »
Quote from: goose7856
I don't think I'm too young (15), and I think I have the smarts to understand it (I make a 4.0 in high school), but I'm just confused.......all types of advice are welcomed!!!

Thanx alot ahead of time!!


I am also 15years old and I have been reloading for a few months.  And well i ain't got no 4.0.  Your first place to start is every book, manual, or website.  I started seriously reading about reloading when I was around 13 so when I started actually putting the pieces together it was not that hard.  When you do start do not use those exspensive bulttets, becasue if your like me and have a limited budget (no job) you won't be able to afford the bullets you want to shoot.  Right now my most accurate load is with cheapo Sierra's.

Also it's good to know there someone else my age here.

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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2004, 07:28:21 PM »
I'm with Haywire and Stork. Read every manual you can get your hands on - in a library  or on line even.  And what ever equipment you buy I strongly recommend you spend money on a GOOD powder scale and a caliper.  I started with the Lee dippers but I can't recommend it.  And  like Stork says- don't mess with the expensive bullets.  Basic bullets by Win, Rem, Speer, Horn, Sierra are great for most shooting.  

I was about your age when a neighbor introduced me to reloading - man he had a huge bench several presses and lots of stuff.  Maybe ask around at a gun range or gun shop, maybe someone will help you out.

Good luck. Its a great way to spend rainy days.
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« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2004, 06:55:14 AM »
Buy a good cast iron press. The press is the heart of reloading. I have used Core-Lokts, Sierra boat tails, and Hornady SSTs. Now I'm loading Hornady flat base interlokts for my 30-06. For my .243 I'm loading Core-Lokts. IMHO unless you need bonded/controlled expansion bullets don't waste your money. "Standard" bullets have worked for 70 years and haven't stopped.
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« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2004, 10:33:37 AM »
Goose

Ditto on the manuals.  I don't imagine it really matters too much which press you get first, anything on the market is adequate to load 30-06.  I'll agree with Stork, forget the premium bullets, too.  They are designed for the super hot magnums and for large, heavy game.  The Serria Gameking or Pro Hunter is more than adequate for anything up to and including Elk in the 30-06, and cheaper to boot.  Stay away from their MatchKing bullets, the skin of the bullet is too thin for hunting penetration.  They are made to punch paper as accurately as possible.  Ditto for other bullet makers.  Go with their basic hunting bullet, forget about partitions and bonds and other bells and such.  You need a bullet that will enter and kill the animal at which you are shooting, and unless you are going to Alaska or Africa that typically means a deer.  Any of the hunting bullets sold today will do that job.  Hell, a cast bullet will, too!

You are pushing a serious budget, so get what you can afford.  You can always upgrade later when you get more money, assuming the bug has bit.  I started with the old Lee Loader, single caliber no press kit.  I was 16, so you have a years start on me.  You will want a press, dies, a powder scale, a set of calipers, and some way to trim brass to length.  Trimming is perodic, so if you know any reloaders who can trim brass they are likely to let you trim yours when necessary.  If you use moderate loads its only needed every five or seven loads, anyway.  You will also need a pound of powder (choose by reading the manuals), a box of bullets, and a box of Large Rifle primers.  I assume you have been saving brass.  Price out what you need in several combinations, Lee kit, RCBS kit, etc. and let the numbers tell you the quality of equipment with which you will start.  

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« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2004, 11:03:21 AM »
Yep, read all you can.  As far as the tools go, I would rather buy used good stuff than , what I would consider, cheap new stuff.  Don't forget, you will need a caliper and a few other goodies as well.  Post on the Classifieds and you will get responses from guys who have too much or want to upgrade to progressives etc...  I would stick with RCBS or Redding.  To me it would be worth it to take a little time.  Put an add in the paper, check with the pawn shops etc... go to E-bay.

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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2004, 12:22:04 PM »
The suggestion about getting a good manual is the best advice. I bought a Lyman's reloading manual that has handgun and rifle data. I have used it more than my others over the years. It has great tech. info about how to reload for someone just starting.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2004, 07:31:09 PM »
I was blessed to have a mentor.  Ask around and see if any of your friends dad's reload.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2004, 04:22:45 PM »
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Buy a good cast iron press. The press is the heart of reloading. I have used Core-Lokts, Sierra boat tails, and Hornady SSTs. Now I'm loading Hornady flat base interlokts for my 30-06. For my .243 I'm loading Core-Lokts. IMHO unless you need bonded/controlled expansion bullets don't waste your money. "Standard" bullets have worked for 70 years and haven't stopped.
 Not really neccessary I use Lee hand presses and have reloaded perfect bullets with them. They are rigid and strong. I had a old cast herters C press that you could anchor a ship with the Lee hand presses I have now work better than that old herters did any day. A heck of a lot cheaper in price also. Every one has their own preferences and I am not knocking you for yours if it works for you fine but do not count the other style presses out of the running.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2004, 06:03:41 PM »
Lee has a cast iron press now at a reasonable price. I started with a Lee challenger press and it broke last year. I purchased a Lyman Crusher II press to replace it and the new press has better leverage and is more solid. Each to their own. I will stand by my recommendation.  :D
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« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2004, 04:30:56 AM »
If I were starting today, I'd have a real long look at the new Lee cast iron unit. I have the Challenger, and an old lyman Spar T . Both work well, but the challenger does break links now and then , despite applying various remedies.  
Ebay can be a source of good used presses if you are careful.  
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« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2004, 09:58:36 AM »
You can also save a lot or afford an upgrade if you shop on e-Bay.  I've bought dies, bullet molds, cast bullets, a lube-sizer, and brass from both e-Bay and AuctionArms.com.  I've not had anything that was junk or that could not be used as is.  If you buy used, it would help to have an experienced mentor to look at the item on-line for you and evaluate it and then show you how to use it.  

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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2004, 01:11:33 PM »
As the others have said, get some good manuals first. Unless you're going after the Louisiana Swamp Monster, Sierra GameKing bullets will be all you need.

 I'll also chime in and say to get a good cast iron press. Sooner or later you will anyway, so might as well do it now. Yes, I started out will Lee products, and still have most of them, but have slowly upgraded all of my equipment. Midway loves me, too!

Check with your local game warden or police or sheriffs department to see if anyone there reloads or knows someone that's dependable that does. If so that person will more than likely be glad to show you his set-up and point you in the right direction.

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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2004, 06:27:56 PM »
I may get flamed for this but...I think you should consider a Lee Loader.

http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1091419599.5426=/html/catalog/dies-p4.html#LeeLoader

http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/508946

I am an old fart and financially secure. I can buy what ever reloading stuff I want, but still find it relaxing to load using the Lee Loader at times. Once you get used to the tool you can actually reload with it fairly quickly and get good reloads.

Maybe add the Lee case trimmer tools:
http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/476992
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the above number is not for the 30-06 but gives you an idea what it looks like and how much it costs.

Total equipment cost is probably around $30 bucks.  You can always add on later, things like scales, powder measures, dies and presses - and all the other stuff that can nickle and dime you to death.

But to start off thats all you need.

Even after you get all your professional type reloading gear the Lee Loader is good to take to the range so you can reload on the spot and work up loads.

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2004, 06:39:39 PM »
Oh, I forgot to add...get bullets with a crimping groove in them. Then you won't have to worry about how deep to seat the bullets and need to buy dial calipers. You can always buy then later with all the other cool stuff that nickles and dimes you to death.

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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2004, 01:29:46 AM »
I see the opportunity for confusion coming on - Goose, if you get the Lee case trimmer, you will not need the caliper, the trimmer does the measuring for you.  Other styles of case trimmers don't, and you need the caliper.  

You will need some way of accurately measuring powder, and adding just a tenth or two of a grain to the charge.  The only way I know to do that is with a scale.  The Lee dippers will get you close, but not necessarily right on with the powder you are using.  A scale and a pinch of powder between my fingers is what I've used for years.  Getting the approximate amount to the scale is the role of the dippers or a powder measure.  If you are using a ball powder, you can use the scale to set your measure and meter directly into the cases from the measure, they flow so well.  

You should be well into your reading by now.  Let us know how you're coming and if we're confusing you or helping.  

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« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2004, 09:38:27 PM »
Goose:

Looks like a-lot of guys really like the Lee Kits...and for reloading on the cheap...they can get you up and running with a little cash.......but......I'll make a suggestion to you...save your money for a-while longer and just shoot factory loads :eek: ...that's right...save your money...that way you can get one of the much better "Kits" that are on the market...not something that you'll probably want to upgrade in a short while...and that's not the only reason I say this.

Reloading isn't  exactly "cheap"....by no-means....once you start..you'll find that you'll be spending a heck of a-lot more for components and equipment...it really doesn't stop with just 1 press...and enough stuff to load a few before hunting season...you'll be loading for varmints and target shooting ...and so-on...you see...we all try to tell ourselves that were saving sooooo much money(or at least our better halfs :wink: )...that we almost wind up believing this little fallacy ourselves....you see...we wind up spending any savings...on more shooting a "Stuff"...so please remember this...and always...if anyone asks...Tell them you save a bundle by reloading :-D


As to your poll on which bullet to shoot...well ...get what you can afford...I really like the A-Frame and the Scirocco and the Partitions...and you might too if you shoot them...then again you might like any of the others just as well...or none at all from your list...that's why I told you to try and see how well they do for you from your rifle...I know it gets expensive buying factory loads...believe me...try buying Weatherby Magnum factory loads sometime...but...I think you should hold off on buying anyones reloading kits yet....you need to have a chance to go and look at them in person...not in a magazine or on-line...you neeed to work the lever...and see how it feels and pick it up...and feel it's weight...before you spend any money on it...your money isn't easy to come by...so don't be in a big hurry to spend it on something you might not like...


Like I said ...a lot of guys like the Lee's kits....I for one don't like a-lot of their products...but 2  pieces of their equipment,I won't do without is their  Auto-Prime...It works...and works great...I've had the same one now and have primed many 1000's of cartridges thru it...without 1 hick-up...another is their factory crimp die...I use it for the 45-70...and wouldn't do with out it...and that's all of their equipment I'll use...but if that's all you can afford and want...by all means go for it...like I said it will get you up and reloading on the cheap...


Pick up as many manuals as you can get...they run anywhere from $15.00 up to as much as $50.00 for some...new ones prefereably...this has been said before...and it is great advice for a beginner...they have so much information in them.and you can use it....the Lyman #48 is a good one...so too is the new #3 Barnes...the #1 Swift...the #13 Speer...#5 Nosler... Sierra latest and also Hornady's 2 volume set... sooner or later you'll wind up with just about all of the newest from them all...we all do .....same too of the powder manufactures...we all cross reference the data...it's just part of reloading...


I too advise you to find someone near you to "show you the ropes" when it comes to reloading...find a reloading store and ask around...if no luck...try your conservation department...they should be able to help...I was lucky ...my Dad started showing me...over 44 years ago...and he never finished before he died...there's always something new to learn...


Just remember this...reloading equipment is really...reloading tools...the better the tool...the better the job it will do for you...and the  longer it will last...


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« Reply #22 on: August 04, 2004, 01:53:48 AM »
Short answer hornady

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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2004, 07:35:51 PM »
Goose-

If you haven't already bought a bunch of reloading equipment, send me a PM, and I'll give you a Lee single stage press, some reloading manuals, and a few other goodies, for the price of shipping.  You'll have to buy components (brass, bullet, powder, primer), a good powder scale, and any of the "bells and whistles" that you feel you need.  I'm in the middle of selling my house and trying to find a new one, so I can't use the stuff right now, anyway.  I'm looking to upgrade to a press that can handle the .416 Rigby, along with my wife's cowboy action shooting needs, but my old press will knock out 30-06 loads just fine.

Anyway, send me a PM if you're interested, and we'll figure out the shipping to your address.  As for bullets and brass, Midsouth Shooter's Supply is the best and cheapest source I've found, often much cheaper than Midway, and way cheaper than the local stores.

Getting my old press depends ENTIRELY on your promise to read the loading manuals COMPLETELY before you start reloading.  You can bolt the press to an old board, then C-clamp it to a heavy table, and you won't even have to build a loading bench (but you should, eventually).
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leverfan, no matter what your wife calls you or thinks about you, I think you are an A number 1 guy.

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« Reply #25 on: August 08, 2004, 04:50:37 AM »
Goose, grab Leverfan's offer ASAP!  It will get you started loading and you can improve from there.  I've been loading since 16, as I mentioned before, and I think I got my JR3 press three years later, and I'm now 51.  I've never had mine bolted down, just clamped to the best available surface.  I've never had a dedicated loading space and have kept things portable to be stored in one place and used in another all my life.  

I would add a good powder scale, and I can recommend RCBS for this, and I would add the Lee powder measure as well.  I've not used it, but it is intelligently designed, and if it is accomplished as well as it is designed it will be one of the best.  I have a Lyman scale and don't like it, don't find the markings accurate enough, have had the RCBS and loved it, and now use the Dillon, which is the RCBS without 1/10 grain markings on the face.   They're all made by Ohaus, anyway.  

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« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2004, 04:54:41 AM »
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Found a good used press with extras
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2004, 08:44:20 AM »
Started reading/ collection reloading manuals, here....Newsflash - Sought/ just bought good quality used stuff on a small budget - very satisfied! :D

RCBS Press
Hodgdon Manual
2 cont. lube
Lube pad
Herters trickler
Lyman D5 scale
Calipers
Block
RCBS deburring tool
Pistol Primers
Funnel
Bolts for base of press

If I can sell the Lee 45 ACP dies for a few bucks, my effective cost will be about 65.00 since there was no shipping or tax involved. It took several days and plenty of looking to find this deal. Shopping for 9mm and 30-30 dies, now.
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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2004, 11:16:05 AM »
Goose,

How close are you to Baton Rouge or Gonzales?  I can send you towards a couple of good stores that carry the necessary powder, primers, and bullets you will need.

In regards to the Swift Scirocco, it is shooting well in my 7 mag.  But I can barely keep the .30-06 150 grain Scirocco on paper at 100 yards.  That is out of a Rem 700 stainless synthetic that will shoot factory loads pretty well.  I have tried all sorts of powder and seating depth combinations with no luck.  I have been told that the heavier Sciroccos in that caliber (165 or 180 grain) will shoot better.  

I am hearing some good things about the 7mm Nosler Accubond 140 grain.  I will be testing it in my 7 mag and 7-08 this weekend.  That brand may work in your '06 as well.

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« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2004, 11:44:51 AM »
Smokey,...

Those 160-165 grain class pills are just what you need for a 7mm Mag.

The barrel twist rate, and bullet weight combination are just about as perfect as you can get with the 7mm Magnum. The boatail configuration just adds to the flight and accuracy if you care to use them. I had been using the Hornady line of pills for mine for years. First the Interlocks and SST's and now the Interbonds @ 162 grains.

Try them out,... you'll be a happy camper!  8)
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