Yeah, the 1st one, on teh 303 Brit case, was actually called the 338CJMK and was designed for hammering the Rams in long-range handgun silhouette. The CJMK stood for Crowley-Jones-Mastadon-Killer. The Jones is JD Jones of SSK fame. The 338#2 is on the 444 case and the new 338-06JDJ is really a basic 338-06 with blown-out shoulder, straight walls, and shorter neck. His website claims awesome performance. I can't wait for mine, but what will a 180 or 200gr bullet from that have over the same wt bullets from an '06? Handgunning with wildcats isn't based on 'headspaces' it's based on us--'headcases'. I'll see all of you in the looney bin! This stuff will drive you crazy! On the other hand, I had a glove, I mean, I'll keep my wildcats!