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« on: August 19, 2004, 05:14:21 AM »
Gents and Madames,

The September 2004 issue of The Accurate Rifle (sister publication to Precision Shooting) is replete with an article, spread over nine pages,  about the Remington Rolling Block in .43 Spanish.  Discussed are brass from .348 Winchester, bullets, lubes and loading with black powder....

Enjoy........
RIP Howard (Shortstake) Staub died 5/7/2008 at 4:30 P.M. Las Cruces time. Howard succumbed to glioblastoma cancer.

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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2004, 10:02:36 AM »
Who wrote the article?

Croft Barker recently published a book on the 11.15x58R (AKA .43 Spanish)--"Shooting the 43 Spanish Rolling Block"....

Any one read or seen this book?  Worth the $$?
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2004, 07:28:57 AM »
Where can I find a Rolling block in 43 cal.?--Willy

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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2004, 10:43:33 AM »
Here is one,  they turn up here quite often.

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=6006016

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« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2004, 02:03:56 PM »
MG Willy et al: one thing I & a Fellow Shooter/Collector learned from watching web auctions & selling sites & buying & returning firearms from them, is that a bit skepticism never hurts.

For example, a great number of dealers utilize such nebulous terms such as "nice". But who defines nice? "Shiny bore"--define shiny. What does “really good shape for its age & history” really mean...

Does the old saw “Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder” sound familiar?

I’ve seen very few dealers who actually use the NRA rating system--see below link.

Always look for & get @ least a 3 day inspection privilege--in writing.

Always pay by USPO money & send a cover letter via registered/certified/ priority mail stating the agreement & what‘s was bought. That way if something goes awry, you have recourse through the US Postal Inspectors .Always state the terms of the agreement in the letter & if that is not their understanding, have them return the money ASAP.

Get tracking numbers for all packages & if a return, delivery confirmation..

Make copies of the original ad & all other correspondence.

Don’t give your credit card number-- you don’t know how secure the dealer’s computer actually is or how well he secures his recording keeping.

Get digital pictures & beware of those that are not of the best quality.

If you return something, you’ll have to pay the freight both ways, which depending upon the size of the firearm can get expensive--over size packaging or FFL user fees. Some delivery services may refuse to accept it & you’ll need to chase down another service, or if it’s an antique send it via the USPO.

A telephone call is really inexpensive & good insurance against buying a beater or @ best buying something that is not as advertised. Have a list of questions to ask the seller.

If you decided to buy it get the serial number (if it has one) & include that in the letter to the dealer stating the terms of the purchase.

If buying @ a show have the dealer take the firearm outside--weather permitting--so you can look @ it better. Bright sunlight will expose many flaws.

Make up a gun show shoulder bag, w/ tie clippers, extra plastic ties, flash light, magnifying lens, take down cleaning rod, patches, bore mirror, note book w/ pertinent info, etc.

When I was looking for another Trapdoor, I brought my reference book w/ me & a few dealers raised their eyebrows. Right now, I’m looking for a VG plus S &W Victory model. I have a folder containing information, inc. inspector’s marks, etc., for the gun shows.

A very informative book on the Rem Rolling Block is George Layman's "The Military remington Rolling Block" (Wolfe Publishing Company, 1997, revised 3rd edition, 148p). ISBN 1-879356-12-0.

If a dealer gets pissed @ all this, remember it’s not his money you're spending.

As an aside, the rifle in link provided by JBMauser does not have its cleaning rod.

http://www.gunsnstuff.net/html/nragrades.html.
Grand PooBah
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« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2004, 02:21:08 PM »
MGWilly: here's a link to the M1879 Argentine Rem RB.

http://www.militaryrifles.com/Argentina/79Patria.htm

I have one of these gems & it is a handfull!--round is very potent.  Brass & dies are readily available. The caliber 11.15x58R (AKA .43 Spanish) is very similar to the Rem. 44-77 round.

Buffalo Arms has the book that I mentioned above:
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm?viewfrom=25&catid=30&step=2

Croft Barker also has a book devoted to the .43 Spanish:
http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/4,3843.html

In the Aug 2004 issue of the "Single Shot Exchange," there is an article on using a bigger than normal bullet in the .43 Spanish
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« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2004, 06:35:55 PM »
I just purchased an 1879 argentine rolling block rifle today. It has not been reconditioned. It still has some of the tin plating on the reciever and doesn't appear to have ever been shot though i'll bet it has. The bore looks great no piting anywhere, inside or out. The stock is a little dinged up.The case head on the bullets I got with it measure .515 just in front of the rim. That's smaller than a 348 winchester I think. Does any know the dimensions of  the 43 spanish cartridge? I paid $490.00 for mine.

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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2004, 07:23:08 PM »
From Donnelly, “Handloader’s Manual of Cartridge Conversions” (p 976)

11.15x58R Spanish Remington (AKA .43 Spanish):

Rimmed bottleneck
Case length 2.25”
Head dia. .516
Rim dia .635
Rim thickness .065
Neck dia. .546
Neck length .546
Shoulder “ .144
Loaded length 2.82
Shoulder dia .512
Length to shoulder 1.46

From Barnes,  “Cartridges of the World’ (5th ed. [227])

11.15x58R  military load: 78g Fg, 375g Pb bullet,  MV 1380, ME 1590
Bullet dia .439

Note the 11.15x 58R REPLACED the 11.5x 47R Spanish Reformado cartridge. The Reformado  is a STRAIGHT case. (p 232, 236)
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2004, 12:46:13 AM »
Thanks Ray, looks like mine is chambered for the 43 spanish.

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2004, 09:25:31 AM »
Thread on the  11.15x58R (AKA .43 Spanish) found @:

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/BP-L/messages/
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« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2004, 01:32:56 AM »
Got one, I found the brass from Track of the Wolf,  they have waged the rims of 348 to get the proper thickness.
Mike Venturino's book ,Buffalo Rifles, has a chapter devoted to the 43 Roller.

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« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2004, 02:34:32 PM »
Buffalo arms has new (not reformed) brass from Australia. Cost a little more though.