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« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2004, 10:03:25 AM »
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His detractors have done the research and ferreted them out for me (I hate research) but his own words contradict themselves. He's been caught, using his own quotes, in numerous, shall we say, confusions  about his exploits.


Tubby, if you don't do your own checking, you get lied to a lot. Creative editing can do wonders.

A case in point is the current claim that Kerry said himself that he had not been shot at nine days after his first PH. I already covered the circumstances of his first PH.

Being curious about where that claim came from, I typed the exact quote as cited by one of the detractors into Google and found the whole passage. It turned out to be a part of Kerry's journal that had been included in Brinkley's biography. When you read the whole quote, you find that Kerry is describing the mood of his new crew on setting out on patrol. It has absolutely nothing to do with whether Kerry himself had been shot at previously.

Something else to consider is that some of this is being taken from newpaper stories. If you have ever been the subject of a newspaper story, you will have been struck by how much was dead wrong. An inadvertent change of one or two words in a quote can totally change the meaning of the quote. Things that a person said can get combined to say something that was never intended. Qualifiers get left out.

And this ain't just about Kerry. This kind of attack campaign can be conducted against anyone who has been in the public eye. There are always minor discrepancies and things that need explanation.

And there are always liars who will do anything they can to harm their opponents.
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« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2004, 10:44:02 AM »
Seared in my mind--where he was Christmas of 68-9,and it is seared in my mind where I was in 53 on Christmas---he is a liar,pure and simple and is not good for leadership.
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2004, 12:41:11 PM »
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Kerry's people have already recanted the infamous I was in Cambodia at Christmas story. So much for SEARED IN MY MIND. Question: If you recant a story does that make it not a lie? Or is it just a case of he got his powder mixed up? If the Kerry people are so worried about loss of jobs they need to quit putting all those Comedy Writers out of work. I mean why should someone pay them when these idiots are shoveling out for free.

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2004, 01:36:27 PM »
Lefty, Sir, one last time:  When I hear it from Kerrys own lips or read it from excerpts of his own writings............ :roll:  Please, I think thou doth protest too much.  Not one of us has firsthand knowledge of these things, only what we read and see and hear. I suspect we are all lied to at times......you are not exempt from this, unless, maybe, you have one of those built in lie detectors that my Mom was always able to have around when I was BSing her :oops: I have a pretty good idea that most media is a little left leaning, to say the least; even the lefties are doubting some of the War Stories.

http://www.nationalreview.com/document/kerry200404231047.asp

This linc is actual testimony in Congress. Make note of the Winter Solider comments that Kerry bases a part of his rant on. This was done in Detroit and it was later proven beyond a doubt that a great many, maybe most of the testimony heard there was not from soldiers, but people just telling what they had been told to say.
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/index.php?topic=Historians

This stuff is a matter public record. Not lies. It's just as true as GWB's drunken spell and frat boy antics and some of the other bone head things he's done. It's all there. GWB grew up and reformed......Kerry did not.

Let's not forget Kerry's special place of honor in a Vietnam War Museum honoring American War Protesters

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545

Give it up: Kerry is not a very nice person vis-a-vis America or her Military :evil:
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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2004, 02:09:02 PM »
Well said TUBBY. The communist North vietnamese hung a plaque in hanoi johns honor in hanoi. Only God knows how many more Americans lost arms, legs, eyesight, or their lives because of kerry and hanoi jane. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2004, 02:45:33 PM »
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Anyway,,,you ever think these politicians don't mind these attacks, like the swiftboaters and the moveon.org distractions.....that way they can avoid and prolong not talking about real issues... :(  :x  :(


Bingo (maybe) IMO, this war against radical Islam might well be the defining issue for however long it takes to decide it's outcome. I'm more than a little worried about Kerry's motives and whom might be in the background pulling his strings. If capitalism is pulling Bush's strings, then the opposite of that would be socialism pulling Kerry's. Which do you want?
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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2004, 02:46:09 PM »
Tubby, none of your links had a thing in world to do with Kerry's war service except that they are the motive for the lies about Kerry service.

The last link, in fact, is one more fabrication. The short version is that the picture exists but it is of Senator John Kerry in 1993 as part of a US delegation to discuss trade and MIA issues. It has nothing to do with protest and no such hall exists.
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« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2004, 02:51:55 PM »
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Tubby, none of your links had a thing in world to do with Kerry's war service except that they are the motive for the lies about Kerry service.

The last link, in fact, is one more fabrication. The short version is that the picture exists but it is of Senator John Kerry in 1993 as part of a US delegation to discuss trade and MIA issues. It has nothing to do with protest and no such hall exists.


Prove it. I'm willing to listen. Give me some proof/lincs so that I can form my own opinion.
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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2004, 02:53:22 PM »
Ask Skeery why he won't release his Military Records---all of them like Bush did.
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« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2004, 04:10:52 PM »
lodj. There have been to many testimonys from former pows that hanoi johns statements about Americans being rapists and baby killers were used as proof of their guilt in war crimes . They were then beaten like dogs, some did not live. His testimony gave the enemy strength and greatly prolonged their resolve to fight on, much as he is encouraging the Godless scum in iraq and elsewhere to do. He gave aid and comfort to our enemies then, as he does now. He is a traitor. If osama and saddam could vote, would they choose? BUSH? Or hanoi john. Not hard to figure that one out. POWDERMAN.  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x  :x
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« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2004, 05:23:55 PM »
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Tubby, none of your links had a thing in world to do with Kerry's war service except that they are the motive for the lies about Kerry service.

The last link, in fact, is one more fabrication. The short version is that the picture exists but it is of Senator John Kerry in 1993 as part of a US delegation to discuss trade and MIA issues. It has nothing to do with protest and no such hall exists.


Prove it. I'm willing to listen. Give me some proof/lincs so that I can form my own opinion.


Sure, Tubby. A Kerry bashing site admits it.

Below the photograph of John Kerry are explanatory placards in English, French, Vietnamese, and Chinese. The English placard reads:

"Mr. Do Muoi, Secretary General of the Vietnamese Communist Party met with Congressman and Veterans Delegation in Vietnam (July 15-18, 1993)"

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545
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« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2004, 05:52:04 PM »
I dont know how much is BS, I just dont like the guy. He scares me.
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« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2004, 05:55:33 PM »
Guys;
  Do a google search, punch in the words   < the new soldier >   that will put you into the proper place with < www.wintersoldier.com >

 At that site, they have a display of Kerry's book ,THE NEW SOLDIER.
 
  He apparently tries to intimate that the idiots he had riled up to riot in the streets and act like a bunch of anarchist boneheads in general...are the "new soldiers".

   This is the book that accuses other American soldiers, sailors and airmen of being guilty of war crimes.

   The cover has a photo of a bunch of his riff-raff mocking out the picture of the flag raising on Iwo Jima....

   This is the book that Kerry and other Libs are trying to buy up and otherwise suppress...along with their attempts to suppress "Unfit to Command".
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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2004, 05:56:24 PM »
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Tubby, none of your links had a thing in world to do with Kerry's war service except that they are the motive for the lies about Kerry service.

The last link, in fact, is one more fabrication. The short version is that the picture exists but it is of Senator John Kerry in 1993 as part of a US delegation to discuss trade and MIA issues. It has nothing to do with protest and no such hall exists.


Prove it. I'm willing to listen. Give me some proof/lincs so that I can form my own opinion.


Sure, Tubby. A Kerry bashing site admits it.

Below the photograph of John Kerry are explanatory placards in English, French, Vietnamese, and Chinese. The English placard reads:

"Mr. Do Muoi, Secretary General of the Vietnamese Communist Party met with Congressman and Veterans Delegation in Vietnam (July 15-18, 1993)"

http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040531140357545


 :-) No good. That's the link that was MY proof. The museum exists.....Kerry's pic in the museum exists. checkmate :-)
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« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2004, 06:16:48 PM »
Hooooeeee!
 
   Don't it beat all... how the one that claims to be the MOST CONSERVATIVE of all of us....

   Keeps working so hard...to defend the MOST LIBERAL person in the US Senate!!

   Can anyone explain that one?
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« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2004, 06:24:11 PM »
Keep it on the issues, not the posters.
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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2004, 02:04:34 AM »
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Hooooeeee!
 
   Don't it beat all... how the one that claims to be the MOST CONSERVATIVE of all of us....

   Keeps working so hard...to defend the MOST LIBERAL person in the US Senate!!

   Can anyone explain that one?
:-)  Dali Llama say no, he unable to offer any reasonable explanation for such behaviour.  Dali say further that it appear that we be forbidden from even questioning another poster's position by powers that be. :(  :cry:  :oops:
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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2004, 03:09:20 AM »
Dali,

I advise you to stop now.  If you have a problem, take it to Graybeard.  

Consider yourself warned.
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« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2004, 03:30:31 AM »
Perhaps I was unclear.. take it to Bill.
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« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2004, 03:42:04 AM »
We'll probably never know for sure what all the facts are about Kerry's history and even if you cut him some slack for his youthful indiscretions, you have to ask yourself; does this guy have any real core beliefs?  It seems to me that today's Kerry is driven by is being against anything that Bush favors.  

Most of what Kerry has said he would do if he were elected would probably never make it through congress.  I think his foreign policy would soon be fahioned by pragmatism and he would have to deal with the world as it is and not the way he imagines it.

Should we be unfortunate enough to be afflicted with a President Kerry (pituuee, yuck, ugh) my guess is that he might have the same effect as Clinton had.  Remember, before Clinton, the Democrats controlled the House for decades and the Senate was also Democrat controlled more often than not.
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« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2004, 05:58:47 AM »
Tubby, the picture does exist and is in a Vietnamese museum. It's just not there for the reasons the Kerry bashers claim. The caption proves that.  

My kind of conservatism requires a dedication to truth. It does not matter whether you like or dislike someone, you seek out and tell the truth. That's a lot more important than gaining any momentary partisan advantage.

And it's something that both sides have lost sight of. There are lies and misrepresentations about Bush, just as there are of Kerry. It's not safe to take any claim about either of them as true just because you saw it on TV or the internet.
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« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2004, 08:04:18 AM »
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My kind of conservatism requires a dedication to truth. It does not matter whether you like or dislike someone, you seek out and tell the truth. That's a lot more important than gaining any momentary partisan advantage.
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« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2004, 10:47:08 AM »
I wish people would just look at Kerry's voting record more closely.   A leopard doesnÂ’t change his spots!

Who cares about what Kerry did 30 some years ago in Nam and instead focus on what he does now.   Since 1988 Kerry has voted against every military appropriation bill there has been.   Does that sound like a guy you want protecting you from terrorists?  

There are no gun bills he doesnÂ’t like.   He doesnÂ’t want you to be able to protect yourself while he is busy not protecting you from terrorists.   He wantÂ’s us all to be defenseless, from him too I guess.

He even thinks our national security system needs to be redone but he is on the security commission and doesnÂ’t even show up most of the time.   If he really thinks the national security system needs fixing why doesnÂ’t he show up and try to fix it?

He doesnÂ’t care one darn bit about us “little” people; he just wants the power the office has and heaven help us if he gets it.   We are all doomed if he does.
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« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2004, 12:28:43 PM »
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There are no gun bills he doesnÂ’t like.   He doesnÂ’t want you to be able to protect yourself while he is busy not protecting you from terrorists.   He wantÂ’s us all to be defenseless, from him too I guess.
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« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2004, 02:00:03 PM »
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There are no gun bills he doesnÂ’t like.   He doesnÂ’t want you to be able to protect yourself while he is busy not protecting you from terrorists.   He wantÂ’s us all to be defenseless, from him too I guess.
That alone be sufficient reason not to cast ballot for Kerry, say Dali Llama.



That, & both Hunts & Delmonte make better ketchup.  :P
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« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2004, 02:15:42 PM »
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There are no gun bills he doesnÂ’t like.   He doesnÂ’t want you to be able to protect yourself while he is busy not protecting you from terrorists.   He wantÂ’s us all to be defenseless, from him too I guess.
That alone be sufficient reason not to cast ballot for Kerry, say Dali Llama.



That, & both Hunts & Delmonte make better ketchup.  :P
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« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2004, 02:32:15 PM »
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There are no gun bills he doesnÂ’t like.   He doesnÂ’t want you to be able to protect yourself while he is busy not protecting you from terrorists.   He wantÂ’s us all to be defenseless, from him too I guess.
That alone be sufficient reason not to cast ballot for Kerry, say Dali Llama.



That, & both Hunts & Delmonte make better ketchup.  :P


 :lol:    :lol:    :lol:  Yup, that's true.
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« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2004, 02:33:35 PM »
I have prayed, and will again, that the democratic party will suffer the largest defeat in the history of American politics. Surely Americans are not so morally bankrupt to vote a jerk like him in. I would love to see all of America looking to God and praising him as Americans used to do. Right and wrong, morality, patriotism, Christian values, and family used to be priorities and taught in the home and our schools. Hanoi john and the dems are fo far left they aren't even Americans anymore. I used to be proud to call myself a democrat, not anymore. The party is completely, with the exception of Zel Miller, totally morally bankrupt. GEORGE BUSH, 4 MORE YEARS. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D
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« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2004, 02:52:53 PM »
Powderman,

I got this in an E-mail yesterday.   I donÂ’t know if Kerry really said this but I would not put it past him he is so bright on such matters.

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In a message dated 8/24/2004 12:34:25 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Sewjanet writes:

The Lord has a way of revealing those of us who really know him, and those that don't! Think about it!
Kerry gave a big speech last week about how his faith is so "important" to him. In this attempt to convince the American people that we should consider him for president, he announced that his favorite Bible verse is John 16:3.

Of course the speech writer meant John 3:16, but nobody in the Kerry camp was familiar enough with scripture to catch the error.

And do you know what John 16:3 says? John 16:3 says; "They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me."
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« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2004, 03:47:54 PM »
MAJOR. One reason klintoon was elected was he was always quoting the Bible, course the one he quoted didn't exist. People hear a famous man quoting the Bible, they believe them. Unfortunately many, if not most, folks don't know enough about the Bible to know truth from lies. Hanoi john professes out of one side of his mouth about morality, values, and Christian faith. Out of the other side he proclaims gay rights and marriage, and that women have the right to murder their unborn child and call it birth control. Christians don't condone killing babies or abominable acts by degenerates. Hanoi john will one day have to answer to God the same as we will, I wouldn't want to be him. His wifes money will be useless then. POWDERMAN.  :D  :D  :D  :D
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