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Offline 257Robt

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« on: August 27, 2004, 01:40:37 PM »
I am wondering, is a 20 gauge enough guns for Dove? You always see people shooting 12 gauges on television, so I am curious to see what others here shoot because I am new to dove hunting. I am also wondering if anyone has any suggestions on a dove gun for my wife. I currently have a Benelli Nova and a Winchester Upland Special, both in 20 gauge. She would like to get something that would also that could work for turkeys, squirrels, rabbits, grouse and pheasant. I was thinking about a Franchi 48-AL 20 or a Remington 11-87 for her. She also mentioned that she liked pumps, so I thought about a Remington 870 LC 20 gauge for her. Does anyone have any thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2004, 01:42:31 PM »
Dove and Upland birds I use a Antoni Zoli silver Snipe 20 with 71/2'S
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« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2004, 09:06:47 AM »
257Robt,

As a kid I started out with a 20 ga. and couldnÂ’t wait until I got a 12 ga. for all my bird hunting.  Then when I was in my late teens/early 20Â’s I moved up to a 10 ga. for hunting waterfowl/turkeys.  Then as I reached my 30Â’s I started using the 12 and 16 ga. shotguns more.  In my 40Â’s I was back to using the 20 ga. for most everything.  Now my favorite Dove/Quail gun are my 28 ga. and .410 bore O/UÂ’s.  I and my wife use a 20 ga. for everything up to and including turkeys.  Works fine out to 40 yards on turkeys except now we use our pellet rifles for most all our turkey hunting.  Lawdog
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 12:57:12 AM »
Yes, a 20 gauge is just fine for doves.

I went from a .410 (when I was 12 years old) to a 12 gauge Belgium-made, Lightning Grade Browning Superposed (when I was 24 years old), then reverted to a Charles Daly 28 gauge over/under (my 28 gauge skeet gun bored “skeet#1 & skeet#1”) for birds hunted over dogs when I was in my 30’s, 40’s and 50’s.

 I have a Model 42 (Winchester pump gun) in .410 bore that I bought with money earned from the first paying job I ever had (when I was 12 years old) helping my Dad paint some apartments.

Eventually, I came back to my light, fast-handling little Model 42 I now hunt "everything" with my Model 42 in .410 bore (modified choke)... but I "pick" my shots... I don't shoot at birds that get up beyond a reasonable distance in front of my son's young yellow Lab retriever.

I keep in mind that my little .410 with its modified choke is, at best, no more than a 25-30 yard gun, but I prefer to shoot at no more than 20-25 yards.  At times, I've pushed it to 40 yards (because the dog is very capable of finding downed, wounded birds if need be) and have killed some pheasants at that range, but that's asking a lot of such a small payload of shot... and this old fart who is shooting it.

Back when I was a kid (in the late '40's and early 1950's), we use to be able to buy 3" paper .410 shells (Winchester, Federal, etc.) with 3/4 ounce (12/16ths of an ounce) loads, but now, the heaviest loads I can find are 11/16's of an ounce.  I agree 1/16th of an ounce isn't a lot of lose, but when you have such a small "payload" to start with, you just hate to lose even that little bit.

Does anyone reading this post know of any heavier shotloads that are generally available?!?

The 28 gauge makes a fine dove gun as well... but it's almost impossible to find a 28 gauge gun built on a 28 gauge frame.

I have a Charles Daly over/under made by the B.C. Miroku Company (the same company that builds the Citori for Browning) that was brought into the USA in 1961 as one of just 37 such over/under shotguns, made on 28 gauge frames, for the annual National Sporting Goods Association Show.  

Unfortunately, the executives at Charles Daly viewed the lithe little stacked barrel as being “too costly to build” for the Charles Daly line of shotguns.  But rather than being shipped back to Japan as was ordered, the 37 “special made” shotguns were sold by MISTAKEÂ… and I got one of them.

There's an article in the 1995 Shooter's Digest on page 150 about this gun and the fiasco concerning it.  The article illustrates to what extent Joe Salisbury, then Sales Manager for the Daly Company, went to in an attempt to get these special little shotguns BACK from the original buyers.

The articleÂ’s author, Dick Eades, had quite an experience with Mr. Salisbury and, after I read the article in which the author asked about anyone else having one of the 37 guns, I called the author who lived down in Texas at the time.  In our conversation, Dick related to me that he had only found one other owner of the “special 28 gauge shotguns”… and the gentleman he found had just sold his 28 gauge Charles Daly over/under for $1800.  This was in 1996.  I bought my gun at the ATAÂ’s Grand American Trap Shoot in Vandalia, Ohio, for a mere $225 in either 1961 or 1962.

My 28 gauge, built on a 28 gauge frame, weighs just a little over 5½ pounds and is a delight to handle, carry and shoot... and it seems to almost point itself!  I use to be able to find 1 ounce hunting loads for it (in the old paper shells), but the only shells I can find for it now are skeet shells with 3/4 of an ounce of shot.

But I digress... my point is that most 28 gauges are built on 20 gauge frames and if you're going to be forced to carry a 20 gauge FRAME, you may as well have the larger shot payloads of the 20 gauge (up to 1¼ ozs.) rather than the lighter 28 gauge loads.

I’ve read articles that claim sub-gauges are great for dove hunting… but like everything else, it is a matter of “opinion”.


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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2005, 10:58:37 PM »
My daughter uses a 20 gauge 870 youth gun for doves, and everything else. Works fine. I use a 12, because I need all the shot I can get. If a shooter has issues with recoil, there is nothing wrong with a 20 for doves or turkeys, with the right load and choke. My wife loves my Rem 11/87 SP, and it also gets used for turkeys. IMHO, there is no better semi auto shotgun - period. Easy maintenance, and 100% reliability, no matter what.

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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2005, 02:49:05 PM »
The 20 ga is plenty for doves. I use a Franchi 48AL in 28 ga and it works great for doves. If I am only getting longer shots I will use a 12 but in most cases, a 28 or 20 works fine.
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« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2005, 12:10:34 PM »
I use my 20 ga Remington 870 express for my dove gun in the early part of the season,  but as the birds get wiser I switch over to my my 12 ga I think it gives me a little more range.  But the 20 ga is a good light gun for a long day in the dove fields.  I finally bought a full choke tube for the 20 ga this year so I might try it for some of the later season hunting.  Sometimes I use my NEF 28 ga single shot in the early part of the season just for kicks.
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« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2005, 02:08:54 AM »
My wife shoots a 20 ga Huglu O/U and loves it.  I currently use  a SxS 12ga and I am thinking of getting a Coach Gun in 12 ga. for use during the winter dove season here in Texas.
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2005, 02:34:29 PM »
Well instead of the 12 ga coach I went with the 16 ga.  I patterned it and am very impressed.

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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2006, 04:39:59 PM »
A 20ga is fine for doves, the only reason I shoot a 12 ga is that sometimes clients invite me to Mexico and you just about need to have a 12 ga if you want to shoot a lot.

I sometimes use a Remington 1100 Sporting 410 which knocks down plenty of birds, but the shells are high compared to 12 ga.

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« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2006, 07:53:05 AM »
A piece of #8 shot comming out of a shotgun barrel is the same size reguardless of the guage. I think most guages will also shoot field loads to about the same velocity and it don't take much to kill a dove. I think guage is unimportant assuming plenty of that guage is avaliable locally. The important thing to concider, is that doves are fairly small and require a fairly tight pattern. Like full! They also move fairly fast and you need a gun with enough barrel length to help you keep the barrel moving thru the shot. Were I to buy a gun just for doves, haven't to this point, I'd look at a trap gun and copy it. You don't need a $1500 gun to kill a dove, a model 500 Mossberg with a full choke 30" barrel would be fine. Right now I have a Browning Citori in 20ga with 28" barrels andchoke tubes. Think I'd grab that.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2006, 07:38:43 PM »
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The important thing to concider, is that doves are fairly small and require a fairly tight pattern. Like full! They also move fairly fast and you need a gun with enough barrel length to help you keep the barrel moving thru the shot.

Well...if you say so...I've been using 26" barrels for years on decoying doves set up on their flyways...never had a bad outing yet and don't waste any shells either..Also..for jump shooting them walking field edges...a shorter barrel with an IC-mod works great...20 or 12 both are good...my Fox Savage 20ga with it's IC/Mod barrels is deadly...I've also used my Verona 30" SC on them as well...it works fine for those up near the jet stream :D...This season I'll be using my 12ga Winchester Supreme O/U with it's 26" barrel...and 1 oz loads...and won't feel handicaped at all..

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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2006, 04:39:33 AM »
That's probally true but everyone I know that shoots doves, does it from a stand. I have jump shot them myself when I've been out hunting other birds and was glad I didn't have a full choke gun with me. I'm not usually a big full choke user as I just don't see myself as being good enough to shoot much over 30yds. The majority of my bird hunting is over pointing dogs and I never shoot a bird that the dogs haven't pointed unless I jump a dove. For doves, I plop down on the gruond in a flyway and wait.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2006, 01:44:22 PM »
I've done MOST of my dove shooting from a stand on a feeding field. If using a one barrel gun it's choked IC and if a twice barrel gun it's usually Skeet and IC. Never seen the need for more. I've never used more than a modified barrel for dove. Here in Bama I've hardly ever seen a full choke on a dove field.


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« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2006, 03:45:17 AM »
... you just about need to have a 12 ga if you want to shoot a lot.


Just curious.....but why do you need a 12 ga if you want to shoot a lot?  If I'm going to shoot a lot, I would prefer a 20ga.

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2006, 05:02:59 PM »
Everyone I hunt with uses a 20ga for dove except one, who uses a 12gs, oh, and one that use a 16ga and he's gonna use a .410 this year but everyone else uses a 20. I have a Remington 870 the other use O/U. the 16 is an Ithica and the .410 is an 870 also.