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« on: September 08, 2004, 04:18:43 AM »
Will anything take its place,and what new restrictions will occur?
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2004, 05:35:46 AM »
Don't take this as gospel but I think nothing takes it's place.  With the exception of the Brady bill, we should be in the same position we were in prior to the assault weapon ban.

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2004, 06:20:37 AM »
Despite what the anti Bush folks say or the ones who were disatisfied that he said he would sign the bill I think this is what he was hoping for this way he could keep the liberal anti gun folks appeased and when it sunsets the gun folks will be happy. Politics as usual but effective if it sunsets. As long as Bush is in office I do not think we have any thing to worry about. If Kerry would happen to get in its a whole new ballgame unless we have enough Republicans and pro gun Democrats  in Congress to supprress any more of these stupid gun laws.
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2004, 10:38:38 AM »
Unless something comes up and I don't see anything happening ,it ends Monday.
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2004, 12:34:02 PM »
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As long as Bush is in office I do not think we have any thing to worry about.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2004, 01:25:17 PM »
So all those 30 round mags that have been selling for 50+ dollars will be back down to 10 or 15 dollars again. Thats good. I need a couple mags for my glock 21

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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2004, 02:21:57 PM »
Don't look for anything to change suddenly. Manufacturers are going to be reluctant to start or change production until and unless they are convinced that the ban will stay expired. Customs can be expected to be as obstructive as possible with the importers. It's gonna take time at best.

At worst, Bush will have been re-elected, decide he don't need us any more, and sell us out like his daddy did.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2004, 04:36:26 PM »
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At worst, Bush will have been re-elected, decide he don't need us any more, and sell us out like his daddy did.
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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2004, 05:07:07 PM »
I also heard them say on the news tonight at 6 that 68% of the NRA supported the renewal of the ban. Whats up with that? :eek:  :oops:
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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2004, 05:27:07 PM »
Train that completely stumped me,it makes no sense.
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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2004, 05:31:44 PM »
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I also heard them say on the news tonight at 6 that 68% of the NRA supported the renewal of the ban. Whats up with that? :eek:  :oops:


Well first of all you heard it on the news that should tell you something as they are so liberal. Yea I suppose some NRA members do not care for some of those guns as a lot of hunters also feel the same way. The figure if I do not use one or have one I do not need to support it. Bad thinking but a lot are like that. The NRA as a group is against the ban and will fight to see it go away. Jim
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« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2004, 05:37:30 PM »
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I also heard them say on the news tonight at 6 that 68% of the NRA supported the renewal of the ban. Whats up with that?


Guys I have been trying for years on this site and others to get the message across. THE NRA IS NOT A FRIEND OF GUN OWNERS!! You guys just will not listen to me. Time and time again they've proven it. Why do you think the Assualt weapons bill passed? Because the NRA say we can live with it. Same with most every other bill to include Brady.

The Congressmen and Senators "assume" the NRA speaks for gun owners. Well they don't for me. Problem is the head honcho is a major big time compromiser who is more concerned with keeping his job and drawing that fat salary than he is about your rights. He and Klinton were so dang buddy buddy it wasn't funny. They'd take jabs at each other for publicity sake but in real life they were in bed together. Both scratching the other's back when needed.

If the NRA folded and went out of business tonight your Constitutional Rights would be in far far less jepordy tomorrow. Believe it or not as you wish. Keep tossing good money after bad with them until you have no guns, no money and no rights left. Me I stopped giving them money long ago and will not do so again unless and until the loose that bird at the top and change their policies. Yeah I'm a long time life member. Long long time.


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« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2004, 05:44:09 PM »
Beard,I am also a Endowment member of the NRA and a Life member in the CRPA,I tell you this because I have been at it for over 50 years,the CRPA fought the Ban and the NRA did not want automatic weapons out there and prostituted their "ideals".
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« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2004, 05:04:40 AM »
Well gang,
The news media was on today. GMA had Diane Sawyer on the job, Her and some Chief of police of Detroit talk about stupid. Lets show the N. Hollywood shoot out with machine guns and talk about the ban and how good it is. I went right to the computer and sent an email, wont do any good but I sent it anyway!

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« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2004, 05:51:16 AM »
SOS (same old poop).  The general public will never get the straight story from the news media.  As gun enthusiasts, most of us are well aware of the truths and fantasies concerning the AWB, but those who depend on the media will never see or hear an objective rendering of this issue.

This gives me pause to wonder what else we who are not deeply involved in all the various issues of the day, are so poorly or misinformed about.
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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2004, 07:38:43 AM »
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This gives me pause to wonder what else we who are not deeply involved in all the various issues of the day, are so poorly or misinformed about.

 
Well, to answer your question, I would say almost everything you see is false or at least twisted.    
 
My wife is in the medical field and says that medical reports they do are either totally wrong or the media gets something turned around.   I have seen reports on car accidents that were not right.   I bet there in never a true report on politics.   We had a gasoline tanker truck overturn and catch fire once and the reporter was making rude comments about the firemen spraying foam and not water.
 
I have given up watching most TV media and don’t even believe a lot of what I read in the papers.   It is mostly all just so much BS.   It is sad but seems to be the norm these days.
 
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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2004, 09:24:45 AM »
Bill, I agree that the NRA is not perfect, but does have more clout than  some of the other pro gun groups like GOA does. I feel the NRA needs a shake up and new leaders put in place. I also feel that as a member it is better than nothing as with out it we would be swamped with anti gun bills from the anti's that would pass. I feel it is because of the NRA that Gore was defeated or he would have taken some of those southern states that may have supported him. Like I said they are not perfect and need new leadership, but are a lot better than if we did not have them. Also a lot of NRA members who hunt do not support the semi auto bill because they are misformed and do not realize any gun ban is bad. Jim
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2004, 11:40:49 AM »
Not trying to flame anyone here, , but I was just curious as to what you would use an "assault weapon" for.  Is it just plinking?  Is it hunting?

No attacks, please, just trying to fill in gaps left by a lack of experience and knowledge.
um, er, yeah.  okay.

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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2004, 11:56:59 AM »
Park,it is more their description of what is a "assault weapon" and the gaul to override the Second amendment.A Brown Bess would be a Assault weapon by their definition.
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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2004, 12:00:16 PM »
jh45gun, Wal Jim, I reckon we just gonna hafta agree to disagree on this subject. We're 180 degrees apart in how we see the NRA and their usefulness.

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Not trying to flame anyone here, , but I was just curious as to what you would use an "assault weapon" for. Is it just plinking? Is it hunting?


When the day comes (and in my opinion it is WHEN not IF the day will come) that those federal storm troopers come breaking down your doors to search for the then banned guns you'll wish you had one or more. We'll all wish we'd organized long before then too. But we likely won't and we'll just be shot down one at a time.


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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2004, 03:09:10 PM »
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Bill, I agree that the NRA is not perfect, but does have more clout than  some of the other pro gun groups like GOA does. I feel the NRA needs a shake up and new leaders put in place.


We did that once, JH45, in Cinncinati.

Only took the suits a few years to reverse all the reforms of Cinncinati and to change the rules so it could not be done again.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2004, 03:13:42 PM »
If you do try to organize, the media would lable you a whacko & the next thing you know the feds are knockng on your door. Theres more in the 2nd amendment than just guns & theyve already taken the right to form a miltia away. Seems like it anyway.
Seems the gov't is bound & determined to be sure that we'll be defenceless if & when they feel the need to overrun us.

Anyway, I hope this ban will just go away. I'm sure theyre be more in the future but it will be nice to see the anti's backpeddlin for once. Even if its only temporary.
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2004, 03:56:54 PM »
Intrepidwizard-

Fair enough.  The federal congress usually paints with too broad a brushstroke and usually by people who don't know what they're talking about anyway.

Greybeard-

My plan was to get a 338 Lapua for when that time came.  Plink off the bad guys from a mile away as opposed to getting up close and personal with the Gestapo.

Park.
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2004, 04:06:45 PM »
Remember,here in Kalitaxia and several other states we still have the Ban
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2004, 04:37:25 PM »
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Remember,here in Kalitaxia and several other states we still have the Ban
Dali Llama say he not able understand why IntrepidWizard not pack up belongings and leave PRK if he find it so distasteful??? :?  :?  :?
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« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2004, 05:24:40 PM »
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Remember,here in Kalitaxia and several other states we still have the Ban



CT's still got one too. Never effected me but I know alot of guys it put a damper on. Sucks.  :(
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2004, 05:48:34 PM »
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We did that once, JH45, in Cinncinati.

Only took the suits a few years to reverse all the reforms of Cinncinati and to change the rules so it could not be done again.



Yeah verily, truer words never put to monitor screen.  :)  And they did it in total and complete open violation of the NRA By Laws. The By Laws specifically prohibited the current adminstration from using the NRA publications to further their cause and to do harm to those opposing them in an election. In blatant disregard of this the Exec VP and then sitting President posted full page and more ads (at your and my expense not their own) to discredit every single person running for the Board of Directors who was not in lock step with them. Even tho the By Laws have not been changed in this regard they have continued to do the same every single year since.

The result of this is all of the folks who were or are in line with what we accomplished in Cinncinati are now gone from the Bd. of Directors. Only the hand picked servants of the Ex. VP and sitting President are left.

Do you know that when Marion Hammer was President that in violation of NRA By Laws $100,000 per year was indirectly placed in her hands? The NRA donated $100K to a group in FL and they in turn donated $100K to her. Now while it wasn't in "legal" violation of the By Laws because of the slick way in which it was handled it sure violated the SPIRIT of the By Laws and funnelled NRA funds into her hands as President of the NRA. A position which under the By Laws CANNOT receive one red cent from the NRA for serving. Guess what happened to the $100K per year when she left the office? Yup it didn't flow her way anymore. Can it be anymore clear than that?

From what I've read on Neal Knox's site on the subject Tony Makris and Wayne LaPierre nearly bankrupted the NRA a few years back. Story goes that Makris' firm held the contract for solicitation of funds. They were paid NOT for performance but for effort. One call or one letter regardless of money that it produced gave his firm a set fee. Remember when you got phone calls every month if not every week and letters monthly or more often? Yup that's the when of it. That is when they had to start offering the discounted Life Memberships to keep the NRA solvent. Neal Knox is one of the last of them I really trust.

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Dali Llama say he not able understand why IntrepidWizard not pack up belongings and leave PRK if he find it so distasteful???


Me either. But for the most part folks don't leave such messes even tho they know they are so badly out numbered they'll never change it. Some do leave. I have a new neighbor here in Bama who just left CA. Heck he even brought his ex inlaws with him and his new wife. Now that's going too far to me.  :-D

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Greybeard-

My plan was to get a 338 Lapua for when that time came. Plink off the bad guys from a mile away as opposed to getting up close and personal with the Gestapo.

Park.


Good plan except for one thing. You're not gonna know when they are coming for YOU. They came like thieves in the night at Waco for Koresh. They didn't walk up and knock on the door in day light and say we have a warrant to serve. Oh no, they broke in a second story window in the dark of night. You know the outcome of that. They didn't announce themselves in advance when they went to Ruby Ridge and shot the innocent young mother with babe in arms, or the young son out in the woods.

No when they come for you it will be in the dark while you sleep.


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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2004, 08:00:43 PM »
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Not trying to flame anyone here, , but I was just curious as to what you would use an "assault weapon" for.  Is it just plinking?  Is it hunting?

No attacks, please, just trying to fill in gaps left by a lack of experience and knowledge.


Lots of guys use AR 15,s for serious target shooting they are very accurate when set up with target barrels ect. I suppose others use the Ak's ect for plinking and informal target shooting. I have heard of others useing AR 15's for varmint shooting as well and I have known a few folks that use them for deer. Before we get into the too light arguement for deer the 22 LR,22 Mag, and the 222 and 22 hornet used to be the poachers choice for deer shooting illegally. Bullet placement is the key plus quieter  and them boys knew how to shoot and where. Not condoning it but just making the statement. I had a SKS and a AK and while they were fun I graduated to other firearms they just were not accurate enough for me. I would not mind a accuratized AR 15 or a AR 10 but just do not have the funds to get one. Most of my guns are bolts or single shots and a couple of levers. I do have a semi auto 22 rifle tube fed and a 22 semi auto 22 pistol that if the law came through again I suppose they would try to ban them and I am against any gun bans period wether I own such a gun or not. Jim
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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2004, 01:36:46 AM »
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Dali Llama say he not able understand why IntrepidWizard not pack up belongings and leave PRK if he find it so distasteful???


Me either. But for the most part folks don't leave such messes even tho they know they are so badly out numbered they'll never change it. Some do leave. I have a new neighbor here in Bama who just left CA. Heck he even brought his ex inlaws with him and his new wife. Now that's going too far to me.  :-D

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« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2004, 03:37:22 AM »
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Not trying to flame anyone here, , but I was just curious as to what you would use an "assault weapon" for.  Is it just plinking?  Is it hunting?

No attacks, please, just trying to fill in gaps left by a lack of experience and knowledge.


I use all of my so called "assault weapons" to assault paper targets and milk jugs full of water.  As a freedom loving American, I don't believe we need to justify why we have what we have.
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