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« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2005, 01:03:42 PM »
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Well I will say one thing shooter error makes more bad groups than most guns. If you have a gun that will shoot it once in a while I would bet if it shot the same ammo and put into a rest that cannot move it would consistantly. Since most sporter guns are light and not made as target guns they may be as capable of making small groups but since they are light shooter error makes the groups larger. If your gun is some times accuate it shows potential that likly shooter error is messing up. Jim




I have been saying it for years, no one listions. Thank you Jim.

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« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2005, 06:15:21 PM »
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Sorry, man. The term MOA just means "minute of angle" and is a definite number that doesn't depend on what anyone considers for anything. It's just less than .5" at 50yds, just less than 1" at 100yds, just less than 5" at 500yds, etc.

I'm not talking about shooting one or even a few groups less than half an inch here. I'm talking every group being that size. If only shooting a few groups of a certain size counted, then I could say that my tweaked 452 Varmint is a .05" gun, as it's shot groups that could barely be distinguished from single bullet holes several times. Unless it shoots those groups every time, though, it would be a flat out lie. Even my custom 10/22 has shot a group that it took a magnifying glass to see was more than just one bullet hole, but it's only done it once. I think we're just not discussing the same way of classifying our shooting here. If you say that your gun shoots 3/8" groups at 50yds, that doesn't mean that it does it every once in a while or part of the time. That means that it always does it. Just to make sure it's clear, that would be a 3/4 MOA group, since it's 3/8" at 50yds.


I think you've hit the nail on the head, Jason......what we're talking about here is a couple of guys with their Romanian and model 60 Marlins who've had one or two groups that would be really impressive if it could be done every time, all the time.

Now, if you and I were wrong about that, maybe we should see those two rifles listed along with their owners in the record books!

Just about all of us have shot some pretty impressive groups in the past.....but if it can't be done every time, it's not indicative of either the skill of the shooter or the capability of the rifle that printed it.

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« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2005, 07:05:19 PM »
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I think you've hit the nail on the head, Jason......what we're talking about here is a couple of guys with their Romanian and model 60 Marlins who've had one or two groups that would be really impressive if it could be done every time, all the time.


 :-D  HAHA  :-D

There is no such thing as every time all the time, my friend. Guns burp even hight dollar guns burp. There are wind gust, a spider could crawl into your scope, you could get a crappy round. You could sneze, you could hick-up. Anything could happen.

But, what I do not understand is why do people like you have to push bottons and test people like me or Jim? Why can you not just let it be. Why say things like we should be in record books? I take it you could not do it, thats why I sould not be able to right? Well do me a favor, dont take your inability to shoot out on me or other people on the forums. Maybe you should just do a little less talking and a lot more shooting.  :)

I will be at the outdoor range this Sunday. I will post pics of 50 yard targets I will be shooting with my Mod.60. I will do it more then once if that will make you sleep better at night. Take the pics for what there worth or call me a lier, it dont much matter. Lets just hope I can do it 100,000,000 out of 100,000,000 times or it might be indicative of my skill.   :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D



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« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2005, 08:01:24 PM »
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There is no such thing as every time all the time, my friend. Guns burp even hight dollar guns burp. There are wind gust, a spider could crawl into your scope, you could get a crappy round. You could sneze, you could hick-up. Anything could happen.


There are indeed "all the time" guns. In a benchrest match, if you drop a 6 on just one bullseye out of 25, you're done. You might as well pack up your equipment and head home because you're not going to win. It's the same in nearly any high level target shooting match. Do you really think that the top level competitors buy the expensive guns just for looks?

All that stuff that you say "could happen" can't in a match. There are reasons that people use wind flags, why they use scopes that don't have openings for spiders to crawl into (can't say I've ever seen a scope that does have those, actually), and you use high quality ammunition. There's also no sneezing or hiccupping during the trigger squeeze sequence if you're even a halfway decent shooter, of course.

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But, what I do not understand is why do people like you have to push bottons and test people like me or Jim? Why can you not just let it be. Why say things like we should be in record books? I take it you could not do it, thats why I sould not be able to right? Well do me a favor, dont take your inability to shoot out on me or other people on the forums. Maybe you should just do a little less talking and a lot more shooting.  :)

I was trying to keep this as friendly as possible while trying to ask that you only post information that's actually true and make sure we're all using group measurement the same way. Since it looks like you would rather slam my shooting skill, so be it. You flat out are not shooting groups where one hole touches all other holes at 50yds. That's less than .25" groups center-to-center and no Marlin 60 ever made has been able to shoot groups like that. Period. The fact that you claim to be doing it off anything other than benchrest equipment without using competition wind flags makes your claim even more ludicrous. Also, claiming that your gun shoots groups that size because it has done it a few times is blatantly false. It's not my "inability to shoot" that's making me doubt your claims. It's the fact that I've seen some of the best rimfire benchrest shooters in the nation shoot and on their best days they are shooting at or barely better than the level that you claim to be with a gun that even the manufacturer will tell you has no chance of shooting like you claim. If you are saying that you and your little Marlin are so great that you are equal to the best benchrest shooters in the nation, who must also have an "inability to shoot" since they only shoot into the low .20s with all their expensive equipment, then show up and a benchrest match and win some prizes. Until then, just tell the truth.

This isn't an ego contest. It's a place where people should be able to come and share their experiences and ask questions without having to sort through bravado and falsehoods. New shooters aren't going to be able to tell so easily who is stretching the truth or worse, and are going to think they can just go grab a Marlin 60 and a brick of bulk pack ammo at Wal-Mart and shoot quarter inch groups at 50yds. When it doesn't happen, they're going to get disappointed and confused, as well as discouraged. The absolute last thing that we should be doing is causing new shooters to get discouraged.

The Marlin 60 is a good design for an inexpensive autoloader and will shoot circles around a factory stock 10/22. It's a very good gun for the price and is fine for casual shooting or hunting, just as it was designed to be. That's as far as it goes, though. Claiming it is more when it's really not just taints how good it really is for its intended uses.

Just to be clear on another issue being discussed, if your gun has shot a few good groups and the rest not so good, it does not mean that the gun shoots great and the shooter sucks. It's just probabilities at work. Even a gun that averages 4" groups at 50yds would shoot a half inch group eventually if you shot enough of them. I really wish that were not the case, but it is.

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« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2005, 04:16:07 AM »
Jason, my last post had nothing to do with you. It was pointed to Hog. You and I had already came to the conclusion that it would be impossible for a Mod.60 to shoot as good as a pro gun.

What made me upset it that, you, Jim and I was already posting a number of post and Hog just chimed in and started bashing.

Jason, I took your word as good, I trully did not second guess it once you explaned your self. Sorry for the confusion.
               
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« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2005, 06:42:53 AM »
BOTTOM Line here folks Most of us talk about SPORTING GUNS here NOT 4000 dollar precision target or bench rifles. A lot of rifles these days can shot moa wether they be centerfire or rimfire. Smaller than moa may be more difficult but can be done. Maybe not all the time but it does not take pin point accuracy to shoot a squirrel or some other critter. I feel like House of Cash does you do not have to believe us that we can shoot that well with the guns we have. I have posted targets in the past that were decent but I am not going to bother with some one that would probably say I shot them from 10 feet away as they would not believe it anyway. CONSIDER This. Some of the great I mean GREAT shots of the past that shot for shows ect shot FACTORY sporting rifles. And Made consistant shots that that most good shots could not duplicate. So how do Jason and Hogship explain that???  We are not talking shotshells either here folks.  Note I do not care on how much this thread argues about this but keep it civil or I will lock it. Keep it Civil and you can chat away all you want. Jim
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« Reply #36 on: June 02, 2005, 02:57:38 PM »
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Jason, my last post had nothing to do with you. It was pointed to Hog. You and I had already came to the conclusion that it would be impossible for a Mod.60 to shoot as good as a pro gun.

What made me upset it that, you, Jim and I was already posting a number of post and Hog just chimed in and started bashing.

Jason, I took your word as good, I trully did not second guess it once you explaned your self. Sorry for the confusion.
               
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Hmmm.....well, OK

Looks to me like all I did was agree with Jason.....and said the same things he did in other words.

When I spoke of my Izmash Biathlon, I was careful to speak of "dime" sized groups, because it'll do that every time all the time.....even though there has been some one hole groups with it.

Dave, you certainly came across like you and your Marlin 60 were capable of one hole groups all the time. I'd believe it, if you said you had a one hole group.....but not consistantly.

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« Reply #37 on: June 02, 2005, 04:23:17 PM »
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Dave, you certainly came across like you and your Marlin 60 were capable of one hole groups all the time. I'd believe it, if you said you had a one hole group.....but not consistantly.



Okay, after reading that a few times, I went though and reread all the posts, from the first one to this one.

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I'd believe it, if you said you had a one hole group.....but not consistantly.


This is true, I can not do it all the time. I miss read, sorry. I can maybe do it 3 out of 10 time.(yes I know 30% sucks) 4 out of 10 on a good weather day. The rest of the time I would say that, yes, they are about 1/2 to 3/4 ince groups, somtimes I thorw one out to an inch.

Im still young and maybe alittle to proud. I thought that every one was saying it would never happen, I was just saying that I can and have done it. Thats all. But, I dont do it every time.

BTW, what kind of set up do you have to hit dime size every time, and one hole most of the time? This hole .22lr convo at 50 yards has got me woundering alot more about the .22lr.
 
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« Reply #38 on: June 02, 2005, 04:49:55 PM »
Here's a interesting link for you to read House of Cash all done with STOCK Guns. Jim

http://www.showmanshooter.com/Museums/Toepperwein/toepperwein.html
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« Reply #39 on: June 02, 2005, 08:34:42 PM »
What makes you think all those exhibition shooters used factory stock guns? You seriously think that people who earned their living with guns didn't work them over to make them more reliable and accurate?

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« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2005, 03:19:20 AM »
Many think the old guns were better made from the factory since each one was hand made.  I think it has a lot to do with who's hands made the gun.  Some of my older guns have examples of great workmanship and good triggers.  One of the worst triggers I have ever seen is on one of my old guns.  I know anyone depending on their livelyhood (or life) would not have tolerated the hard crunchy trigger on this gun.
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« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2005, 11:26:23 AM »
"If you spend 300-400 dollars on a .22 you wasted way to much money."

Dang. Do you think the gun store will take back the Cooper Custom Classic I bought a couple of years ago for my father? I could get, what, 10 Rugers at Wal-Mart for that $1600.    :)    Just kidding, I've never owned a 10/22 and don't see one in my future.

The one CZ American I own, and the 5 or 6 other CZs I've shot, makes me think they're the best reasonably priced .22 around. I haven't traded away my '63 Marlin Mountie (has it really been 42 years since my uncle gave it to me?), the 541S, the Finnfire Hunter or any other of my good guns, but the CZs I've seen are much better than average shooters.

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« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2005, 01:16:24 PM »
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What makes you think all those exhibition shooters used factory stock guns? You seriously think that people who earned their living with guns didn't work them over to make them more reliable and accurate?


Jason Problem is you are putting all the "Magic" of shooting on the gun and not the shooter. These folks shot more ammo down range than most do in 10 lifetimes. They also had excellent hand eye cordination and a skill for shooting. I have seen some guys with old stock guns shoot shots you would not believe. I say that as you figure unless they had a 4000 gun it cannot be done. With the exception of maybe a trigger job and I wonder even about that these guns were stock they had to be as these shooters were hired by firms like Winchester to promote their guns STOCK Guns so folks would buy them. They made a point of that.But then in them days of guns being made and hand fitted the companies took pride in what they made too.  Yea these folks were maybe the exception compared to most shooters but they did it with factory guns that is all they needed to do the job. Take a close look at their guns they had stock open sights. IF any work was done to slick them up I would bet it was by shooting them until they smoothed themselves in. Jim
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« Reply #43 on: June 03, 2005, 07:33:47 PM »
I have no doubt that they were factory guns, but they were most definitely not stock guns just like anyone would get. They were worked over by the factory technicians, just like the guns of those who are sponsored by gun manufacturers today. My reference to custom guns was in benchrest shooting. If you'll check back, that was what I applied the "gotta have the top-end equipment" to win statement to. The inaccuracy in shooting is the combination of the variance of the gun and the variance of the shooter. They can't be separated out. It's just that benchrest is the game that removes the shooter from the equation most. I also said that in silhouette shooting (entirely offhand with no slings or palm rests), that a master shooter with a crappy gun will beat a novice shooter with an expensive custom gun every time, and that's the way it should be.

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« Reply #44 on: June 03, 2005, 09:04:41 PM »
I believe one other thing to consider is that it takes much better shooting to win competitive events today than it took 50yrs ago. There is no question that there was some exceptional gunmaking back then, but the ones that survive to compete today aren't cheap mass produced and unaltered examples of the gunmakers art.

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« Reply #45 on: June 04, 2005, 08:30:32 AM »
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I believe one other thing to consider is that it takes much better shooting to win competitive events today than it took 50yrs ago. There is no question that there was some exceptional gunmaking back then, but the ones that survive to compete today aren't cheap mass produced and unaltered examples of the gunmakers art.

hog
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Thats True Hog Todays shooters are excellent but they still cannot compare to some of the shooting these expo shooters did. but then it is a whole different thing too that I understand. Still all in all I am more impressed with folks like Toepperwein than some one who may win a match today even though both are champions in their own right.
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« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2005, 09:39:06 AM »
" The most accurate"
       That`s easy. For me it was an American made Remington, model 511.
       Got it in the mid-forties.  Had a peep sight on it and it did the job.
       I know some of your guys look at "most accurate" as meaning
       different things but to me it means........hitting what i`m shooting at.
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« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2005, 11:44:41 AM »
Yea Savage 250 that about covers it hitting what you shoot at.  :grin:
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« Reply #48 on: June 09, 2005, 11:20:09 AM »
John,

I probably shouldn't say anything, but CZ Americans cost $300 plus, so are you saying that it's not worth the money either?

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« Reply #49 on: June 09, 2005, 04:19:45 PM »
OK Guys.....

Some years ago there was a challenge on rimfire central that when like this:

Lets see someone/anyone post a 50 yd 5 shot target less than 1/2" CTCXS using a "Walmart 22 rifle" with "Walmart ammo!!!


There were a lot of talkers, many tried, but no one could do it.  This post is beginning to sound a lot like that one.  Mostly talk and no targets! Since Walmart has upgraded their offering.  Come on let see some pics!
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« Reply #50 on: June 09, 2005, 06:16:58 PM »
What do I get if I successfully do it? The Wal-Mart here has the little Savage bolt actions for cheap and carries CCI Green Tag ammo. I doubt it would be much trouble to make the two produce a 5-shot 50yd group or two less than 1/2" center-to-center.

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« Reply #51 on: June 09, 2005, 10:26:00 PM »
Whats considered a walmart rifle??????????????? I know that my Romanian 22 will shoot a half inch group at 50 and so will my Henry 22 mag. Posting Targets Ray will not accomplish anything for a arguement like this as if it is done the folks who do not think it can be done will consider some one cheated some how. I know I can do it so that is all that counts.
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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2005, 04:04:21 PM »
OK lets not make this any harder than it is!


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What do I get if I successfully do it? ....


Jason,  You'll get to be the first that does something besides talk about it!

PS: Green tags I've tried weren't worth the money.



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Whats considered a walmart rifle???????????????....


What they sell!



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.....the folks who do not think it can be done will consider some one cheated some how.  ....


Let them try to cheat - Imagine the fun we'll have with them if they get caught!




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.....  I know I can do it so that is all that counts.


Jim,  Even if no one else would - I would like to see your target(s).
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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2005, 06:51:49 PM »
Ray, Well I posted them once but that was a while ago I deleted them off my computer. Some day this summer I will get some ammo and go shoot with my Romanian and my Henry if I can find the ammo in stock for the Henry it liked the last time I shot CCI FMJ. It may be a while as I have a 30/30 and my Rolling block I have to shoot in internet matches plus I am want to work up some lCast loads for my K31.  I will shoot the 22's when I can get to it at the earliest time possible as they are fun to shoot. Jim
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« Reply #54 on: June 12, 2005, 01:47:43 PM »
hunt through your local gun shops and pawn shops
to find you a Winchester Model 67 single shot.
I have never fired a .22 that was any more accurate
than this one. And I honestly cannot think of a name brand
that I have not shot at least a few times. There may be
one or two but at the moment I can't think of them.
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« Reply #55 on: June 12, 2005, 02:20:47 PM »
I just read through the remainder of the posts here
and I guess I have to put a foot into the cow pie too.
I can easily touch 5 rounds at fifty yards with my
Winchester 67 and CCI Velocitor ammo from Walmart.
My Glenfield model 20 will do it.
My Remington 514 will do it too.
My Rossi 62 pump has no scope so I can't with it.
My High Standard semi-auto will put it's entire
15 round tube mag through a dime sized hole
at 75 yards away.
If I can't tear one ragged hole at fifty yards with a
scoped .22 rifle, I would sell it as a piece of junk.
I have picked Chipmunks off of brush piles at well over 150
yards with a .22 LR with a rest over the hood of the truck,
and with pretty good regularity.
The .22 LR is the most refined and perfected rounds in existance,
Don't sell it short
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« Reply #56 on: June 12, 2005, 02:27:03 PM »
POST SCRIPT.......

I have never successfully posted a picture here,
If ya' know how,.....BY ALL MEANS DO TELL.
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« Reply #57 on: June 12, 2005, 04:14:13 PM »
Quote from: S.Sumner
.....
I can easily touch 5 rounds at fifty yards with my
Winchester 67 and CCI Velocitor ammo from Walmart.
My Glenfield model 20 will do it.
My Remington 514 will do it too.
My Rossi 62 pump has no scope so I can't with it.
My High Standard semi-auto will put it's entire
15 round tube mag through a dime sized hole
at 75 yards away.
If I can't tear one ragged hole at fifty yards with a
scoped .22 rifle, I would sell it as a piece of junk.
I have picked Chipmunks off of brush piles at well over 150
yards with a .22 LR with a rest over the hood of the truck,
and with pretty good regularity.
.....

Yeah, seems everyone said they could do last time too but no one did!

Sumner, If you are really interested and not just braging:

Using digital camera
1) Take pic of target
2) Down load pic from digital camera to ur computer
3) Register with a pic host site.  I use www.hunt101.com but there
are lots of others - Just look around web.  (Graybeard can also host pics)
4) Upload pic from ur computer to host site.
5) Then when typing post - Copy the web address to pic between " "  (or use that Img button)


PS:  Even without digital camera all photo developers can put your pictures on a cd.  Then all your have to do is begin following step 3).
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« Reply #58 on: June 12, 2005, 05:47:43 PM »
To give even more credibility, you can post a target with multiple groups to show that it wasn't just a fluke that you shot a good one. Here's a target that I shot with my CZ 452 Varmint for the Park's Prove-It website. Click on the picture to see it full size if it doesn't come up easy to see in your browser.


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Most accurate .22lr??
« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2005, 08:02:03 PM »
:cb2: Unlike many of you guys, I have only owned three .22 rifles. The 10/22 I had at 14 years of age was stolen. Thirty-four years later I got another one to replace it. Somewhere in the inbetween time I got a Ruger 77/22 Varmint, and it is terriffic. With the heavy barrel, full stock, and large Ruger bolt, it feels like a real rifle instead of a scaled down little toy gun like some. Great shooter, and it did cost $409, but it sure has been worth it. It's taken it's share of squirrels, prairie dogs, and turtles.
Griz
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