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« on: September 13, 2004, 10:54:25 AM »
All,

I am looking at getting an airgun to shoot silhouette for practice in my home.  What gun/pellets is recommended? My goal would be a gun that is pretty close to weight and feel of a hunter gun.  

There seems to be a lot of low/end high end stuff out there,  I want something that will last a while.

Thanks

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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 03:54:19 AM »
How about the Beeman GH1000?  They are advertizing it for silhouette use.  Does anyone have experience with this model?

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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 08:29:57 AM »
I'd stay away from the rifle mentioned, it's definitely low-end, there are much better alternatives.

Do you want a rifle to practice with only, or to be competitive in air rifle silhouette too? It might make a difference.

This past weekend, a Bill Motl set a new target rifle record (39!) for a 40 shot match. Target air rifle is shot with a gun designed for indoor 10 meter competition shooting about 6 ft lbs of muzzle energy, but is shoot outdoors at 20, 30, 36 and 45 yards.

A target air rifle is probably one of the best practice tools, but not really cheap, and definitely not similar in feel to a smallbore hunter! The less expensive options might be an older FWB300, or Diana 75, often found for $500-600.

A lot of spring air rifles will come closer to the size and weight of a hunter, but a spring gun definitely has an unusual firing behavior that some firearm shooters might describe as "obscene"!  (Nice practice rifles in that line would be the R7 and R9 Beeman imports. Light, good triggers, accurate. Most air rifle competitors would choose an Air Arms TX200, or HW97. They're heavier with fixed barrels.)

If you're really looking for something to practice with that might feel more like a smallbore hunter, I'd look at some of the hunting style PCPs (pre-charged pneumatics). You can find a rifle that feels more like a hunter, and they are extremely accurate. Check on an Air Arms S410, FX 2000, Daystate Huntsman (out of production but available used), Logun, Webly Venom Viper, Falcon (maybe a good buy), etc...

Of course I didn't mention the high dollar Field Target (FT) rifles, they are basically 10 meter rifles that have been "souped up" to shoot at higher velocities. These are mostly used in the Open air rifle class, but you do see several folks using hunting style PCP rifles.

The PCP is advantageous for practice, because there is very little recoil. It's almost like dry-firing...

Once you have some specific choices in mind, ask about them. Opinions are bound to to plentiful!

Sam Corlett

www.curragh.com/pellets/tx03  ( the 2004 results aren't ready to post yet)

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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2004, 04:34:45 AM »
Go to www.zediker.com and find the two part article on Airgun Practice for Highpower. It's a little chatty but it makes some points I think are valid, from my experience. The main one is to get a really high quality gun, a target rifle, and forget about trying to duplicate your "real" rifle. "Get to be the best airgun shooter you can be and see if that helps in the other discipline." The only point of the airgun is to let you practice at home so that you can shoot five or six times a week indefinitely, while giving you feedback from a target (unlike dry firing, which is great training but too tedious for most people to keep up religiously for years.) The advice about a good, used target rifle is right on. I sprung (get it?) for one of the last, new FWB 300's. Get match grade target pellets. I use Nygord.  Get paper targets of the animals scaled to 10 meters, a scope that will focus at that range, and settle in for the long haul.

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2004, 11:40:43 AM »
The only way to go is a pre charge, I started with a diana 48,then a Walther LGR, Beeman Super 12 (20 cal) and I have finally settled on a Beeman Mako MK1. I practice on paper targets that are reduced to be size relative at 10 m. This type of practice teaches all the things we forget over time especially correct follow  through. One of Australia's highest record holders and hall of fame members (while still a junior) used to fire at least 500 air shots in practise the week prior to a big match, and it certainly worked for him ! I hope you get a good rifle and get shooting.

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2004, 12:39:52 PM »
A lower cost option would be a Tau 200 rifle. In the full size model with a wood stock they are close to the weight of a hunter rifle. With bulk filled co2 it has plenty of shots (~150 per fill)and is very accurate. Mac 1 also does a PCP conversion of the Tau 200 if you want more power. I have both and they work great for indoor practice.

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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2004, 06:10:31 PM »
chunter:

I was in your shoes two years ago.  One question you must answer is do you want an "at home" 35 foot practice tool or something that can be both an at home tool and be competitive at an outdoor airgun match?

I convinced myself a TX200 was a good way to solve both needs.  I had a Chinese SuperMax 1000 for at home practice but it was not accurate enough for the real thing.  And, seeing as how we have many airgun matches here in TX I could not use the SM1000 and be competitive.

Got the TX200 and it helped a lot.  Then I wanted to take it to the next level.  Spring guns are as Sam said "obscene" in some ways.  After shooting a few target guns I got the hots for one.  Of course I "needed" it to practice and continue to improve my game.  Got an old unloved 2002SSP in that $500-600 range.  Now I really have to work on perfect shot execution.

But recently I have been shooting some Daisy Avanti's from the youth program I am working with.  If you don't need a competitive gun for airgun MS and just want to practice indoors at 10m have a look at these little guns.  853 Avanti is under $200.  The trigger can be tuned and it is a Walther barrel capable of holding the 10 ring.  Then there is the 753 which has a better stock.  Many will say I'm nuts but after shooting them both I can say for off-hand practice at home it is worth considering.  Find a used and unloved 853 or 753 and shoot it for a year.  Or, if you have money get a nice old target gun and save yourself $150.

Just another opinion worth exactly what you paid for it :)

jd

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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2004, 05:44:48 AM »
chunter,

Sam asked you a good question:  Do you plan to use the air rifle for practice only, or will you compete with it?

I learned on a spring-piston air rifle, and if you mainly want to improve your shooting discipline the spring-piston rifle is the fastest way.  They recoil (both backwards AND forwards), vibrate, and have a fairly long "shoot time".  If you do not hold them EXACTLY the same way for each shot and do not follow through for each shot, you will not shoot well.  Bad form is punished with a spring piston rifle and hence you will improve quickly.

I spent a year learning to shoot with a spring piston in my basement.  At first it was terribly frustrating and I had the feeling that everyone else does when learning to shoot this power plant:  this gun is defective.  LOL  I proved myself wrong a year later by finally developing good technique.  In fact, a friend let me shoot his competition .308 from a bench rest at 100 yards one day.  It was my first time ever shooting a firearm and I shot 2 3-group CTC groups under 1/3".  I knew how how to consistently hold and follow through from my spring piston training.  Even my dad's side-lock muzzle loader is fast by comparison.

If you are looking for basement practice only, a break-barrel spring piston rifle would be a good choice.  Look at the Beeman R7 or R9 if you want to buy new.  The R7 is a highly accurate plinker, and also very mild mannered.  It is everybody's sweetheart gun.  You can cock and shoot it all day without wearing out your arm.  The R9 is similar but in a larger, heavier, more powerful package.  You can add the Beeman R6 and R8 to your search list if you are looking for something used (they are no longer sold new).

If you also plan to compete in matches, there are three classes:

Sporter (spring piston):  Here the two winning guns are the AirArms TX200 and HW97 sold by Beeman.  Both are underlever spring piston rifles.  Underlevers are preferred to break-barrels for matches, not because they are more accurate, but because you can put a larger scope on the top without getting in the way of cocking and loading.  They group equally well.  

Show up to any airgun meet and you will see plenty of both.  Airgunners are friendly and most will force you into shooting their rifles.  My advice is to see which fits you best and buy that one.  The TX has better internal machining, but surprisingly (or maybe because of it) HWs seem to need less repair work.  Don't let my comment put you off, they are both highly reliable and built like tanks.  

The TX shoots a bit faster from the factory, the HW has cut (not pressed in) checkering, a larger loading port that is also more lefty friendly, and a silent anti-beartrap mechanism.  The TXs go clack-clack-clack when you cock them.  I've owned a TX, but shoot HW because it fits me better.

Target class:  These are the highly accurate 10M rifles that shoot slowly and hence teach you to dope the wind really well.  If you're looking for PCP the FWB P70 is the most popular out there (in the 10M, not FT version).  

Personally, I like the older recoilless spring-piston guns because they feel so mechanical and I'm not tied to a SCUBA tank.  The Diana 75, Anschutz 380 and FWB300 in any configuration are the Truimvirate of this class.  I have them all and any would serve you well.  

If this class interests you I could write forever about the nuances of these guns.  This is the LEAST popular class of air silhouette.  I'd make sure you have a healthy population of active shooters in this class before getting started.  It might be that you're the only one in your area with a Target class gun and that would be no fun if you want to compete.  Collectors and enthusiastic afficianados buy and shoot these guns.  A workhorse with lots of cosmetic damage, but that shot well, should be in the $350-$450 range.  Good collectable specimins are now going for $1000 plus.

Open Class: For PCP, CO2 (not recommended for outdoor use in Logan) and custom tuned spring pistons.  Truthfully, any PCP you buy will be up to shooting Master scores--in either hunter or target style stocks.  Even the Chinese clones are highly accurate, if not as cosmetically appealing or mechanically tight.  

They are the most firearm-like in terms of having a fast shoot time and not a lot of vibration going on.  They are easiest to shoot well right off the bat, but the flipside of this is that like a firearm they don't punish bad technique as much as a spring piston.  FX, Daystate, Logun, and Falcon all make great hunter style PCPs.  If target class is more to your liking look at Steyr LG100 conversion, FWB P70 FT or Walther Dominator.  There is a great American made USFT that shoots very well offhand (I've shot them many times).  There is a few months wait for one.  Mac-1 Airguns makes them.  

I shoot HW97 for sporter class, (AAA) Anschutz 380 for Target  class (AAA) and a ZM Steyr LG100 for open class (Master).  You don't need that much gun for Open class, but I have it for Field Target so I use if for Silhouette as well.  I've shot all types of target and hunter style PCP rifles for open class and they all do just fine.

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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2004, 08:59:42 AM »
Thank you all for the detailed info....It really helps.

I was only going to use this gun for practice in the house, when I started this thread.  However, I have found out that I am moving with my job to somewhere more populated. So there is a better chance that I will have others in the area interested in shooting the airgun also.  

So I guess, I am back to the beginning of determing whether to get a 10m gun or a sporter.

I have my heart set on a Anschutz 2002 SSP, but my budget fell short. I have also been told about a El Gamo 126. They say it is every bit as comparable as the FWB300 series....anybody use one? One of the local silhouette shooters uses one and swears by it for practice. His scores seem to back it up.

Thanks for your help and info all

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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2004, 09:46:44 AM »
Some thoughts on shooting air rifles:

There are several reasons a person could be interested in shooting an air rifle if they are a SB or HP silhouette shooter.  Of course there are always the reasons that they are just plain fun to shoot, are inexpensive to shoot and require no reloading.  They can, however, be more than inexpensive to purchase.

If one is a SB silhouette shooter, then the Target air rifle is the way to go.  The compressed air rifles are at the top of the list of desirable choices followed by the pneumatic versions.  These rifles are very accurate and will allow a shooter to learn how to hold, break a shot and follow through better than any training device including actual SB practice or matches.  Cry once and buy all you can afford in quality and accuracy.  There is nothing more disheartening and expensive for a competitive shooter than a rifle that one purchases because it is cheap but does not do decent duty.  Cheap rifles that turn into dust collectors are money down the drain.

If one is a HP silhouette shooter, then the Sporter air rifle is the way to go.  These rifles have recoil and are difficult to shoot.  If one can learn to shoot a Sporter, it is possible with the right thinking and a bit of help for others that have, they will quickly climb the learning curve for shooting great scores in HP silhouette.  There are only three choices for this kind of rifle, all of which are not that expensive: AirArms TX-200, AirArms Pro-Sport and HW-97.  DO NOT purchase a break action springer as they are not accurate enough to progress to the higher levels of being able to call your shot.  They are great for whacking tree-rats and sundry other small game, but our sport requires real accuracy that they can not provide.

Air rifles are the cheapest and most efficient way to gain the skill required to shoot with the “big” boys and girls in HP and SB silhouette.  Get a good one, learn how to practice, practice regularly and have fun.
All the best,

Dan Theodore