what are the rules for a muzzle loader in a shoot

[longshotmiller1]

as you can see from my other post im looking for a wood stock for a cva bobcat.but my question at the moment is why i am comming up with finding a piece of wood for it would most clubs let me shoot it with the synthetic until i got a piece of wood. i never thought much about the club type shoots until my new step father got me to go to one with him and i had a ball. i will admit this cva bobcat is a cheap rifle but it shoots really tight groups. 1 and a half inches at 100yds. love to win some matches with it if i could be allowed on the line. i've shot muzzle loaders alot but never in club type shoots i need all the info i can get. thanks guys

[savageT]

longshot......
I can't speak for the club that you are shooting at but generally the rules are something along the lines as this for traditional shoots:
1-Round Ball and patch, no sabots or long bullets allowed
2-Twist Rate on the slow-end appropriate for patch and ball 1:40 to 1:60
3-Fundamental Sights (fixed blade and rear notch)
4-Black Powder ONLY....no B/P substitutes
5-No in-line ignitions

[longshotmiller1]

thanks savage t this bobcat is a 1:48 and im using 50 gr of goex 3fand a speer round ball. i was just worried what they would say about my plastic stock on the damn thing. im working on getting a piece of wood found for it

[quickdtoo]

I've been to lots of vous including primitive national events and lots of folks shoot pyrodex, never had anyone say anything more than it smelled funny.

You might be more successful contacting CVA for a replacement stock, but if I was in your boots, I'd be looking for a more traditional hawken type rifle than trying to make the bobcat into something it isn't. I'd also recommend using the wood ramrod with care or replace it with a synthetic rod or super rod. Very few shooting clubs or rondezvous officials will frown on replacement rods, eye and ear protection.

[fffffg]

there are time restrictions on the shooting matches in some cases.. in importtant matches   when  everyone goes up to change targets,you have to turn in your target at the end of the time,  etc..  then every club has its own little rules, you will be treated very well until you understand the rules,  or start beating the better club shots, then things get  more tence.. good luck dave.

[longshotmiller1]

thanks for the input quickdtoo. this bobcat looks just like the tc renegade hunter other than the synthetic stock and being 400 dollars cheaper it even wants to shoot like a t/c. i thought it would be traditional enough if i got wood on it. if it has to be hewkens and double set triggers ill find one and use this one hunting and who cares if its synthetic in the woods. the deer wont know they were shot with a plastic stock on it

[Edgewood NM]

My son has a Traditions Panther. A twin to the CVA Bobcat. Our winter project is carving out a new stock form a walnut stock blank we got from Goby Walnut for 30 bucks. We made a trial stock from a 2x6 of fir and it came out all right. just a rough cut out but even that was a lot of work. The stock blank cost 30 bucks and it will be a lot of work but my boy really wants to finsh this out. So hopefully by spring we wekk have some pics to show.

His panther with 60 grains of FFg or 50 grains of 777 keeps nice tight groups  of about 1.5-2 " off of sandbags at 100 yards. .015 patch and a cast ball from a Lee mold.  It may be a cheezy looking gun and a real bad trigger (That was fixed right away!!) but my boy loves it. (He paid for it from a summer of mowing and such stuff)

Chuck
Edgewood NM

[longshotmiller1]

thanks edgewood. ill probablly try the same thing. i know alot of people would say its too cheap of a gun to mess with. but 50 grains goex tripple f and a .015 patch and roundball. im getting 3/4 of an inch groups at 50 yrds. i think i can go toe to toe with the expensive guns when it shoots like that. my hunting load is 80 grains tripple f and im getting 1and1/4 inches at 75 yrds. 100 yrds my eyes go to crap so i know that the large groups are my fault. lol. ill probablly build a wood stock for it.

[RussB]

thanks edgewood. ill probablly try the same thing. i know alot of people would say its too cheap of a gun to mess with. but 50 grains goex tripple f and a .015 patch and roundball. im getting 3/4 of an inch groups at 50 yrds. i think i can go toe to toe with the expensive guns when it shoots like that. my hunting load is 80 grains tripple f and im getting 1and1/4 inches at 75 yrds. 100 yrds my eyes go to crap so i know that the large groups are my fault. lol. ill probablly build a wood stock for it.

LSM1...With it shooting like that, who cares what it looks like! I got my grandson one of those last year, thought it would be good to him to get started in this game with his own gun. Well, as it turns out, that little "cheap rifle" will shoot! and it shoots darn good!
The balance is a little different, the sights are very elementary, the black plastic is ugly as sin, but the groups are quite impressive. I have had the gun at my place for about a two weeks now,   was going  to work up a load with 777 that I got a good deal on,  but there has been no work involved.   Every charge I've tried from 45 to 85gr has been a winner. However, the 85gr load with a 380gr Lee Minie might be a bit tough on the kid with that light rifle...it was on his grandpa!

I've been thinking about picking me up one at Wally World just for a brush beater, but I was afraid it might not shoot as well as his.
From what you say, and from my own limited experience, it appears these little things  may be a little black wolf in sheeps clothing.
I may have to re-think this.  I had much rather drop one of these in the rocks than my Penn Hunter, or my Hawken that I've worked so hard on.  Just my thoughts.
Russ

[RussB]

Yesterday I said;  "LSM1...With it shooting like that, who cares what it looks like! I got my grandson one of those last year, thought it would be good to him to get started in this game with his own gun. Well, as it turns out, that little "cheap rifle" will shoot! and it shoots darn good!"


Before I get to "spouting off" too much, I probably should make sure that the "BOBCAT" and the "MOUNTAIN STALKER", are in fact, one of the same.
After I made the first post, I got to thinking about this a little more as I feel sure I'm going to end up with one like my grandson's which is a Mountain Stalker.
So, I guess I better ask the question...are they the same????  I will be doing some research on the web about this, something I probably should have done before making my post, but it just didn't occur there might be a difference.
Russ

[longshotmiller1]

well Russ what i've heard from cva is that they use the same grade barrel for the cheap ones to their top of the line stuff. i got a friend that went out and bought one too. he only wants it for hunting so the plastic stock is no big deal to him. he says his is shooting really nice too. i havent seen it shoot yet but he is happy with the groups. 55 dollars for the bobcat at wally world i dont know what the mountain stalker costs.all i can say is best 55 dollars i spent in a long while

[Pogue]

Our club's rules are rotating external hammers (no in-lines); patched round ball unless historical exemption (i.e., minie balls in a musket); open sites only, peep sites OK if the shooter is over 60 years old; black powder or BP substitute.

[Birddog 1]

What is the problem with peep sights some of these so called buck horne {$150+}sights suck ? my peeps cost $35.00  :twisted: