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« on: September 14, 2004, 03:14:49 PM »
Hello, what is some low cost .45LC ammo? The cheepest I have founs is Magtech at $15.00 a box of 50. Is there any cheeper somewhere on the net? I'd love to blast several humdred rounds while I'm at the range but at $15 per 50 shots that get's really expensive. Are there any 1000 round bulk deals out there? Thank you!
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2004, 03:37:12 PM »
Chris ...

I am sure you have thought of this before ... but, have you thought about starting to reload your own .45 lc? I started reloading because I enjoyed shooting so much that it was getting to be pretty expensive using factory rounds. It's not that hard to get started and the rewards are great.

My plinking .45 lc rounds run me less than $0.12 a round not counting the cost of brass which can be used many times over shooting "cowboy" loads. I enjoy shooting more than ever because reloading brings more knowledge/skills into the sport you obviously enjoy too. The initial investment for reloading equipment to get started might seem like a lot of money but the savings per round can be huge.

I believe you are probably using the least expensive .45 lc rounds available with Magtech. Your Magtech rounds are costing you $.30 a piece.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2004, 09:41:26 PM »
Thanks for the info. I have thought of reloading before. I kind of shyed away from it hearing lot's horror stories of folks getting hurt using reloads. How difficult is it to learn in the beginning and get things right as I don't want to blow up my gun or myself in the learning process.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2004, 12:57:09 AM »
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Thanks for the info. I have thought of reloading before. I kind of shyed away from it hearing lot's horror stories of folks getting hurt using reloads. How difficult is it to learn in the beginning and get things right as I don't want to blow up my gun or myself in the learning process.


Reloading is very simple and anyone can do it, as long as you pay attention and use common sense. There are two main reasons I can think of to why people blow up there guns. 1) Double charge of powder.  2) Pushing the upper limits of max charge,  ie. making hot rounds and exceeding max loads.

I have been reloading for over 20 years and never had a gun blow up. I practice safe reloading habits. I find reloading relaxing.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2004, 01:38:24 AM »
I have not found anything cheaper than that for 45LC.
As stated already you need to start reloading. Reloading is as safe as YOU make it. I have been reloading for years just as a lot of other people have here on GBO and have never had a problem.
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2004, 06:47:55 AM »
I've been reloading for 40 years, and not blown up yet.  I can load 45Colt for about $.08 a round, that's about $4.00 a box, and that's with store bought bullets.  If you cast your own, it's cheaper yet.  You can pay for a Dillon fairly quickly at that rate, and you've already got the brass.
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« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2004, 07:15:36 AM »
Now you have me thinking!!!! How many times can a brass case be used over?

How much $$ would it cost me to get a press and everything I need to reload .45LC???

Thanks for the help!
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« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2004, 07:43:42 AM »
I cast my own and do it for around $2.50 a box.  As far as how many times the brass can be loaded, it's a question of how hot you load them.  I did a test and at 30 loadings, I had 50% of my brass left.  That was with the first two loadings at Ruger level.  The other 28 loadings were very mild.

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« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2004, 12:59:16 PM »
Chris ...

Glad to see that you are thinking about starting to reload. The best thing you have going for you already is "caution." Obviously, you want to reload safely so there will be no incidents. You can do this by reloading within the guidelines of the reloading manuals you purchase. The .45 lc is my favorite cartridge and the easiest one for me to reload for.

There are just about a million different ideas on what type of equipment is best to start with. I'll start the suggestions you'll get with the following:

1. Buy at least 2 reloading manuals ... I suggest Lymans 48th Reloading Handbook and Sierra's 5th Edition manual ... there are several other good ones. You should also get familiar with the different powder company's websites for their information.

2. If possible, find someone in your area you know that has good common sense and reloads. They can be invaluable in starting you off with safe techniques and can be a wealth of information. This way, you can learn by demonstration. If there is no one, then you can still learn on your own by reading the manuals and asking lots of questions on this forum. I got started on my own not too long ago and you can do it too if necessary.

3. Determine the amount of money available to you for equipment to start reloading and let us know how much that amount is. It will help everyone with making suggestions that will fit your budget.

Redhawk1 said he finds it relaxing. I totally agree with him. I also find it challenging and rewarding as you search for those loads that are best for your firearms. I allow for no distractions when I am reloading ... that means no eating or drinking at my bench ... no TV ... no radio ... and I only reload when I feel good. My son and my oldest brother also shoots my reloads. I owe it to them and to myself to be as safe as possible at all times.
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2004, 04:17:05 PM »
:-D Hello.. The reason I started reloading was cost of factory ammo, especially for .45 Colt and .357.. You can get a little along and build. I was casting .454 bullets out of wheel weight material and adding a bit of linotype or babbitt or bird shot to harden it and the cost was real low.. You can get casting equipment at gunshows or on Ebay..Don't have a melting furnace??  Use a coleman stove and a flea market cast iron bean pot.  Shoot Unique or 700 powder and you stretch a pound can a long way. I got a friend to show me the safe basics and never looked back. from cbagman
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2004, 08:24:51 PM »
Thanks guys!

I could get together a few hunderd $$$ and maybe a little more for the press and dies I think. What is a good press for .45lc and how much should I expect to pay?  Thanks again!!!
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2004, 10:40:56 PM »
if all your going to load is .45s you can get by cheap with a lee hand press and that way you dont even need a bench to mount it on you can size brass while watching tv.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2004, 11:05:29 PM »
Howdy,

Until you get your reloading program up and running, check out www.ammodirect.com

The last time I ordered 45LC from them, it was $220 for 1000 rounds.  Ends up being less than $12 per box with shipping, and it's good ammo with new Starline brass, which you can then use for your own reloading.  Starline would charge you $100 for 1000 pieces of brass and you get the fun of emptying them. ;)

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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2004, 04:01:05 AM »
something no one has asked:  how long does it take you to make a reload a box of 50?  is there a lot of difference in time between rifle and pistol loads?

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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2004, 04:08:47 AM »
That one is hard for me to answer.  I always have a few hundred cases at different steps of the reloading process.  Either awaiting tumbling, already tumbled, deprimed, or primed.  Takes me about 10 minutes from get-to-go to start with already primed brass and load a box of 50.  I ususally work in batches as noted above.  Priming is an activity reserved for TV watching.

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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2004, 05:46:55 AM »
I started reloading when I purchased a Mosin Nagant because ammo for it is hard to come by unless you want to use corrosive mil surplus stuff.  Soon after a .357 found its way into my arsenal...  ;)  reloading pistol loads is faster IMHO...  no need to deal with lubing the brass as long as you go with carbide dies.  

As mentioned before you can go cheaper (lee) or a bit more expensive.  Some things you can skip all together such as a tumbler unless you want your brass all nice and shiney...  If you know someone who has the equipment ask if you can come over and try things out.  They'd probably let you crunch up a few of their favorite rounds just to try things out.  Otherwise you could always buy a set of lee carbide dies for around 25.00 and some reloading supplies to work up some of your own rounds for 45lc using their equipment.  

I picked up a Lee aniversary edt for 150.00 toss in a die, bullets and powder and I had enough supplies to make my first 100 rifle loads for just under 200.00  Add a couple reloading manuals and you are still under 250.00  Higher end presses would start at around 250.  I'd reccomend starting with a single stage press verses a turret or progressive...  less start up cost and less chance of double charging etc...  I'm now to the point where I can take spent brass to loaded rounds at around 100 per hour and that includes wiping the brass with a rag soaked in gun scrubber to remove the carbon.  Rifle rate is probably half that because of lubing, trimming and chamfering...  

I would vote for at least getting the lee factory crimp die if they make one for 45 LC.  It adds an extra step (crimping) but I don't have problems with getting a consistent crimp as I did when seating/crimping in the same step.

I also find reloading relaxing...  One important safety tip in addition to those already given...  Don't have any distractions while reloading.  I find it too easy to skip a step or do one twice if someone else is in the room or the TV is on.  I usually close the door and spend an hour or so by my lonesome.   Good luck!

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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2004, 06:16:50 AM »
I highly recommend a Lee Turret press.

I bought one about a year ago for reloading my .357/.38spl.  Since I was a total greenhorn, I ran it as if it were a single stage press.  Then when I felt more comfortable with it, I switched to operating it as an indexed turret press.

Switching from single stage to indexed turret press is as easy as removing/replacing a metal rod - it takes about 10 seconds.

I shoot about 200-600 rounds per month.  There is no way I would have been happy being stuck with a single stage.  However, I am still pretty "new" having only been at it for little over a year, so the turret press is still simple enough.

In the mean time, my reloads cost me around $2 - $3/box so I can save up for a cream-o-the-crop, progressive press when my volume increases as my boys begin shooting.

Running the indexed turret press I can crank out about 150 rounds per hour.  That's starting with just-fired cases, so I deprime, size, and reprime in that hour.  It's all one-case-at-a-time so if there's any hang-ups I can get to it pronto.  I don't rush either, I just found a comfortable rythm and keep at it, pausing for a swig of water or to check the powder charge on a balance.
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2004, 07:17:46 AM »
Thanks again for the replys!!!!

Wow their are a lot of steps to do. What is tumbling? What are exactly the steps in order to hand load a bullit and does the press do all of them?

My Dad has an old Texan reloading kit he used to reload .243 and shotgun shells on back in the 1960's. Would this work for .45lc?
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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2004, 07:58:13 AM »
Good point on the turret press and using it single stage...

Steps are as follows...  others may have a bit different order, but this is what I do...  I've indicated PRESS or BY HAND for each step

1. deprime/resize PRESS (lube the brass if its a necked cartridge or you don't have carbide dies)
2. clean primer pocket BY HAND (clean outside of case if wanted)
3. trim and camfer brass if needed BY HAND IN MOST CASES(most likely isn't needed on straight wall pistol brass from what I've read.  Only have 5 reloads on my 300 357 brass and it hasn't stretched more than .0005")
4. expand brass if needed PRESS (I've found I don't have to do this with plated bullets for my .357.)
5. prime HAND PRIME OR PRESS
6. Charge the case with powder BY HAND unless progressive press
7. seat the bullet  PRESS
8. crimp the cartridge  PRESS

This looks like a lot of steps, but it really is a pretty simple process.  You'll want to check the weight of the charges your powder tripper is throwing every 3 - 10 rounds depending on how picky you are.  For plinking loads I check one out of every 10 just to make sure its close.   For my hunting loads I actually weigh each charge since I'll only be making about 50 for range practice and the season.  

Tumbling the brass gets it all shiny like new.  You basically put your spent/deprimed brass in a machine that agitates it with some type of media such as corn cobb bits...  If you don't do this your brass gets dull from powder residue and finger prints etc.  In most cases tumbling brass is strictly a cosmetic undertaking.  Some people like shiny bullets...  ;)

Good luck,

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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2004, 02:32:24 PM »
Chris ...

As you can now tell, the great people on this forum are very willing to share their knowledge and experiences with you. You will have a lot of questions ... and that's okay. Someone should be able to answer every question.

Here are some websites I use for information and supplies:

RCBS - the equipment I prefer / guide to reloading

http://www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=1

http://www.rcbs.com/guide/printsteps.html


Starline is great brass for the .45 lc

http://www.starlinebrass.com/


Powder companies

http://www.alliantpowder.com/

http://www.hodgdon.com/


Online supply company - they are the best in my opinion

http://www.midwayusa.com/

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2004, 09:37:06 PM »
Thanks again everyone! I have a Ruger Vaquero birds head I have to pay off 1st and then I'll get the equipment I need for reloading so in the mean time I will read up.

What about the Texan reloading kit my Dad used to use? Were these any good and will it work for .45LC??

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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2004, 05:05:21 AM »
Dont know about that Texan reloading kit but if it is a press, even a single stage, GREAT.
The press will accept any rifle/pistol caliber dies. Might be an exception here but none that I know of.
When you purchase your dies they will come with complete instructions.

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2004, 10:15:30 AM »
Look for the UMC 45LC ammo.  Cheap to buy, but good Remington brass to reload.  Usually about $10 or less a box.  Around here I can find it at Bi-Mart, Big 5, Wal-Mart and some of the other discount type stores.  Watch around deer season for specials.  That is what I bought to get started with my 44, 9mm, and 357.  Good Luck and don't buy cheap when you get reloading equipment.  Spend the money and get good stuff that will last forever with a warranty that will last forever.

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« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2004, 04:02:28 AM »
At the risk of revealing how lazy I am, here's an approach that has worked well for me for over 10 years. I think it's a good way to get started on a budget.
Get the Lee Reloader single stage press and mount it on a bench of some kind. Retail is around $19.00. There's no great pride of ownership, but I've loaded well over 100,000 rounds on mine, from all the pistol cartridges for falling plate competition and plinking to many thousand 6.5x55, .260 Rem and 7BR for silhouette matches. When you outgrow it, throw it away or, better yet, give it to the next newby. We're just getting started here.
Get the Lee Perfect powder measure. It's probably around $20.00. Yeah, it's flimsy plastic. It works. It is every bit as accurate, by actual test, as any measure ever made. When you outgrow it...
You need a scale. If you go with a balance beam, get a cheap one. It will be used mainly to be sure that your below max loads are uniform. You'll eventually want an electric scale, around $100.
For goodness sake, get carbide dies and forget about lubing and de-lubing cases. A Lee set is as good as any for .45 Colt and includes the case belling and bullet seating dies.
Get the Lee hand primer tool. Follow the instructions carefully. This is the only way to go for priming. Lots of the benchresters use this cheap tool: about $13.00.
Wipe the fired cases with Hoppes on a rag until you get carpal tunnel syndrome and spring for a tumbler, around $65.00. The point is that the tumbler can wait, along with the progressive loader, the electric scale and even the dial calipers, chamfering and trimming tools, primer pocket cleaners and so on. (The point is to jump in and get started.)
Run the cleaned cases into the sizing/depriming die.
Then, run them into the mouth-belling die.
Prime them.
Dump powder, looking into each charged case with a flashlight afterwards. Do this and you'll never double-charge.
Seat the bullet with the die which also applies crimp.
Proceed to range.
Don't trim straight bodied pistol cases unless you are in high-level accuracy competitions and need to prove to yourself that it doesn't improve accuracy. It doesn't. They don't grow, either.
Don't chamfer case mouths unless you really don't have anything else to do. Do you think the factory does this? No. They smooth out and look nice after a couple of loadings anyway.
Don't clean primer pockets. It just doesn't matter. A famous benchrest shooter went for a season ignoring this step and found absolutely no difference in accuracy. I cleaned them for years because all the manuals said to. Then I started experimenting. Now, I don't do it. You shouldn't either.
It's easy to get anal retentive about handloading and it's all to no avail whatever when we're talking straight-walled pistol cartridges for shooting up through club level competition. Accuracy comes from tuning loads to the gun and that usually means finding the bullet it likes. The attention to detail should be applied to the area of safety and that involves using good sense and PAYING ATTENTION.
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2004, 08:38:46 AM »
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At the risk of revealing how lazy I am, here's an approach that has worked well for me for over 10 years. I think it's a good way to get started on a budget.
Get the Lee Reloader single stage press and mount it on a bench of some kind. Retail is around $19.00. There's no great pride of ownership, but I've loaded well over 100,000 rounds on mine, from all the pistol cartridges for falling plate competition and plinking to many thousand 6.5x55, .260 Rem and 7BR for silhouette matches. When you outgrow it, throw it away or, better yet, give it to the next newby. We're just getting started here.
Get the Lee Perfect powder measure. It's probably around $20.00. Yeah, it's flimsy plastic. It works. It is every bit as accurate, by actual test, as any measure ever made. When you outgrow it...
You need a scale. If you go with a balance beam, get a cheap one. It will be used mainly to be sure that your below max loads are uniform. You'll eventually want an electric scale, around $100.
For goodness sake, get carbide dies and forget about lubing and de-lubing cases. A Lee set is as good as any for .45 Colt and includes the case belling and bullet seating dies.
Get the Lee hand primer tool. Follow the instructions carefully. This is the only way to go for priming. Lots of the benchresters use this cheap tool: about $13.00.
Wipe the fired cases with Hoppes on a rag until you get carpal tunnel syndrome and spring for a tumbler, around $65.00. The point is that the tumbler can wait, along with the progressive loader, the electric scale and even the dial calipers, chamfering and trimming tools, primer pocket cleaners and so on. (The point is to jump in and get started.)
Run the cleaned cases into the sizing/depriming die.
Then, run them into the mouth-belling die.
Prime them.
Dump powder, looking into each charged case with a flashlight afterwards. Do this and you'll never double-charge.
Seat the bullet with the die which also applies crimp.
Proceed to range.
Don't trim straight bodied pistol cases unless you are in high-level accuracy competitions and need to prove to yourself that it doesn't improve accuracy. It doesn't. They don't grow, either.
Don't chamfer case mouths unless you really don't have anything else to do. Do you think the factory does this? No. They smooth out and look nice after a couple of loadings anyway.
Don't clean primer pockets. It just doesn't matter. A famous benchrest shooter went for a season ignoring this step and found absolutely no difference in accuracy. I cleaned them for years because all the manuals said to. Then I started experimenting. Now, I don't do it. You shouldn't either.
It's easy to get anal retentive about handloading and it's all to no avail whatever when we're talking straight-walled pistol cartridges for shooting up through club level competition. Accuracy comes from tuning loads to the gun and that usually means finding the bullet it likes. The attention to detail should be applied to the area of safety and that involves using good sense and PAYING ATTENTION.
Don't forget the loading manuals. Don't forget to have fun.
Hope I didn't make anybody mad.


Thank you Ajj. Do you know of a good place I can buy this stuff?
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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2004, 03:22:53 PM »
Try the website I gave you Chris .....



http://www.midwayusa.com/


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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2004, 06:42:11 AM »
Thanks Bigjeep! I'll look it over!
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