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« on: September 27, 2004, 08:15:20 AM »
I went to my local gunshop to transfer a gun that I bought from an individual in another state, and thought that since they were handling the transfer that I should buy the bullets, dies, and brass there also.

When I compared the prices I paid at the shop with what I would have paid had I bought the components by mail order I was amazed and disappointed. There was such a large difference that I can't reasonably continue to buy from this shop.  The guys who run it are decent people, and I don't think they're deliberately ripping me off, I just think the markup they need to make it worth their while is too high today.

The other shop I frequent has prices more in line with what I can pay mail order.

I think this may be the end for a lot of small gunshops who can't compete with the new Web economy.
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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2004, 08:48:49 AM »
I feel your pain...........local small gun shop sells components that are priced at least 10-15% higher than any one of several mail order houses. I want to be loyal but I don't want to be taken advantage of either.

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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2004, 10:07:51 AM »
I KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT. THE ONLY THINGS THAT I BUY NOW DAYS FROM THE LOCAL SHOP IS POWDER AND PRIMERS SINCE I CAN'T AFFORD THE HAZ. MAT. FEES BY MAIL. :cry:

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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2004, 10:59:39 AM »
WOW, I guess Im lucky.  My shops prices are quite decent when you tack on any shipping fees you would encounter through mail order.  About the only things I need to get elswhere are reloading equipment like presses, and oddball tools, but I only reload common calibers right now and they usually have my back.  Sometimes they are even CHEAPER than mail order with the shipping.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2004, 12:21:17 PM »
I can buy a pound of pounder in several places(with in 50-70 miles) for about 20.00  But the shop closest to me charges 25.00 for the same thing.  I see in catalogs that I can get it for well under 20.00 but with hazmat it is not worth it.  There are no Cabelas, MidSouth, Bass Pro etc... within hundreds of miles of me.

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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2004, 02:39:25 PM »
A lot of the local shops around Md. have hidden expenses that they have to make up in order to stay in bussiness. They also cannot buy in bulk. It's like the Wal-mart thing. Wal-mart has caused the closing of tons of mom&pop local stores. Little towns in Maine no longer have general stores if there's a Wally world within 25 miles.  After we let the local shops go under,will we complain about higher hazmat fees from fedex and other shippers?

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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2004, 05:44:06 PM »
If all the little shops go out of business because we don't do business with them who will we have to handle gun transfers?

I doubt that Walmart will :?
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2004, 07:13:31 PM »
I generally only buy powder at gun shows where it goes for $14-18 a pound but usually someone there will have it for $15 or $16 in the type I like. I've even seen local shops selling there at those prices but when they sell locally they charge several dollars more.


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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2004, 07:20:00 PM »
Okay, here's a side to the story from someone who once owned a gunshop.

I had a good business.  I had my regular customers, and a hell of a lot of walk-ins.

My standard was that if you were a first time buyer, you paid "list price" for a firearm.  On your second purchase, and all purchases after, you paid 15% over my actual cost.

Gunsmithing fees and custom work was fixed and everyone paid the same fee.  All repairs and modifications were performed on a "first-come-first-serve" basis.  If you came into the shop the day before hunting season, you were crap out of luck if you needed the gun for hunting season, regardless of the bribe you offered.

Regular customers also paid 15% over my cost for all reloading components and supplies, except Red Dot powder.  If you brought your own 3-pound coffee can, it was $8.  If you didn't, it was $9.

Once-fired AA hulls were 2-cents each.

I had a good business.  The 15% covered my operational costs, paid for my firearms hobby, my hunting trips and my shooting.

Then two things happened.

First was GCA'68, and the second was that a Walmart opened around 2 blocks away.

Walmart was using ammunition and firearms as "loss leaders".  In other words, they were selling them lower than their cost, just to bring customers into their store.  They were selling way below what I was paying my distributors and jobbers!  So I did the natural thing.  When I needed to replenish my stock, I went to Walmart.

Soon my jobbers and distributors started questioning why my orders were becoming smaller and smaller.  I told them that I could go a couple of blocks down the street and buy at 10% to 15% cheaper than they could supply the very same items.

(I still only charged my customers 15% over my Walmart purchase price.)

Soon the jobbers and distributors started playing games with me.  If I wanted a "select" S&W, Ruger, Remington, Winchester or Browning, I had to buy at least three pieces of crap with the same brand name on the barrel.  In other words, if I wanted a Smith 60 I would have to buy 3 Model 19's, etc.

In addition, a hell of a lot of the "wholesalers" started opening "retail".  So they soon became my competition instead of my supplier!!

Soon "customers" (not any of my regulars) started coming in and wanting to know the price of a rifle and a scope.  (My standard deal is that I would mount the scope and bore-site it for free.)  I was informed by one customer that Walmart was selling the same Ruger 77 for $5 less than I wanted, and the Redfield scope was $10 less.  I had a simple reply...

"Then get your ass to Walmart and buy it!"

(Yes, I was as "cranky" then as I am now.)

Soon the customer would come prancing back into my shop, with rifle and scope in hand.  What did he want?  He wanted me to mount and boresite the scope for him.

I did, and I charged him $35.  So, maybe he saved $15 by buying at Walmart, but he ended up paying $20 more, because that simple little 17-year-old school gal behind the gun counter at Walmart had no idea how to mount a scope, and "boresite" wasn't even in her vocabulary.

Well, eventually I had to raise my profit margin from 15% to 20%.  Why?  Because the price of coffee went through the ceiling (yes, there was always a fresh pot of coffee on the stove for all to drink, for free).  The electric rates almost doubled, as did the gas.  My insurance tripled, and I had to put steel bars in all my windows and install a burglar alarm system and a special phone line for it.  Not to mention tax increases!

My "loyal" customers started bitching and complaining about the increase.  And they started going to Walmart to buy their firearms and ammo and components and equipment.

Were they ever surprised when Walmart told them that they could not special order anything.  They bought what was on the shelf or they go without.  (And Walmart never offered free coffee or a place to paly cards.)

Finally the aggravation became more than I cared for, so I shut the doors.  No, I didn't have a going out of business sale.  I just transferred all the firearms to me personally, and kept all the other stuff for my own use.

Soon after Walmart decided they would no longer sell firearms.

That was when I started receiving phone calls ... "Hey, Steve.  when are you going to re-open the shop?"

My answer?  You guessed it ... NEVER!

Yes, I still keep my FFL active, mainly for my own use.  I do order some firearms for friends, as well as reloading supplies and equipment.  But the days of 15% over cost are long gone.  It is now 20%, plus shipping, plus hazmat (if applicable).  And I want payment in full before I place the order.

Oh, and I still do transfers.  But what I used to do for $5 is now $25.

So I guess it is as I have preached in all the forums.  It really wasn't the big stores, or the internet that caused the disappearance of the locally owned gun shop ... it was the tight-assed customers who thought they were saving $1 or $2!

Do I miss the shop?  Sure do!

Would I open another one?  NO WAY!  (Unless of course I only handled $5000 and up firearms, which would only be sold at "full list".)  I am not going to be bothered about a stinking $400 or $500 rifle or a $300 shotgun or a $100 handgun.

You guys decided that saving a dollar or two was more important than maintaining a regular relationship with your local shop owners.  I decided that I didn't need you ... as have many other shop owners.

So quit your bitching about paying hazmat fees, paying transfer fees, and not having a gunshop close with a decent inventory.

YOU are the reason for all of this...

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2004, 07:52:16 PM »
Wal Steve I'm glad to hear you've always been cranky and ain't just got that way as ya got old.  :-D Yeah I'd have told them same thing.

We used to have a good supplier of reloading components in my area. He died. Hasn't really been one since. No one I know of stocks anything much and when ordered it's pretty much darn near full list. So I get mine at gunshows or order it. If HAZMAT is involved I get at gunshow.

Now guns, I've never bought one at Wallyworld. Doubt I ever will. I have a dealer I've been buying from regularly since I retired. My first visit to his store I bought two O/U shotguns. One at $1000 and the other at $3000. Wrote him a check for the guns and have been dealing with him since. I buy a LOT of guns from him. Only two last week but some weeks I buy more. I treat him good and he treats me good. I send everyone I can his way. Give him free mention here from time to time and have even sent folks from the internet his way.

He never charges me a dime to ship a gun I sell via the internet over the actual shipping charge and never charges me a dime at all to recieve one for me that I buy on the internet or a manufacturer ships to me for review.

I buy other items from time to time there but I've bought a bunch of guns there and we have a good working relationship. He is a big time dealer with a huge inventory. Nice guy to work with.

Those of you near Gadsden, AL stop by and deal with Steve Andrew at The Sportsman's Exchange if you want a dealer who'lll treat ya right.


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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2004, 08:03:49 PM »
You appear to be the kind of "regular customer" I had.

It was nothing unusual for Joe to stop in and ask me to get him 5 Sako rifles, or 3 Remington custom shop rifles.  Nick would order 4 Browning Midas Grade shotguns at a time.  Dick would go through Remingtons like they were made of ice cream.  Tony liked his Berettas.  Sal wanted Winchesters.  And the list goes on...

As for supplies?  Hell, my regulars wouldn't think of ordering less than 5,000 of the same primers, or 32 pounds of the same powder.  (Even way back then, the shooters "in the know" knew that lot numbers were more important than a couple of dollars!)

I wish the hell I could get a $5 bill today for every Ruger 77 I sold for $135 to $165 back then.  My "walk-ins" loved those guns (and so did I until they started printing the instruction manual on the barrel and went and come out with the MkII).

And Ruger SA handguns?  I couldn't get enough of them!  I would get 10 or 12 in, and the next day they were all gone...for a whopping $89 each!

Ahhhh......the good old days....

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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2004, 10:56:22 PM »
well said!! we have a little mom and pop gun shop here and i bought alot of stuff from him over the years. I doubt if he made more then enough to buy chicken noodle soup from his profits. Over the years we became friends as there arent to many real gun nuts up here. Now i go in and he wont take anything over cost from me for anything. Does all my transferes for free. In return he gets cast bullets free from me when he needs them and alot of bussiness pushed his way from recomendations. Small gun shops are a thing of the past just like small hardware stores. I thank god i still have one to deal with.="ricciardelli"]Okay, here's a side to the story from someone who once owned a gunshop.

I had a good business.  I had my regular customers, and a hell of a lot of walk-ins.

My standard was that if you were a first time buyer, you paid "list price" for a firearm.  On your second purchase, and all purchases after, you paid 15% over my actual cost.

Gunsmithing fees and custom work was fixed and everyone paid the same fee.  All repairs and modifications were performed on a "first-come-first-serve" basis.  If you came into the shop the day before hunting season, you were **** out of luck if you needed the gun for hunting season, regardless of the bribe you offered.

Regular customers also paid 15% over my cost for all reloading components and supplies, except Red Dot powder.  If you brought your own 3-pound coffee can, it was $8.  If you didn't, it was $9.

Once-fired AA hulls were 2-cents each.

I had a good business.  The 15% covered my operational costs, paid for my firearms hobby, my hunting trips and my shooting.

Then two things happened.

First was GCA'68, and the second was that a Walmart opened around 2 blocks away.

Walmart was using ammunition and firearms as "loss leaders".  In other words, they were selling them lower than their cost, just to bring customers into their store.  They were selling way below what I was paying my distributors and jobbers!  So I did the natural thing.  When I needed to replenish my stock, I went to Walmart.

Soon my jobbers and distributors started questioning why my orders were becoming smaller and smaller.  I told them that I could go a couple of blocks down the street and buy at 10% to 15% cheaper than they could supply the very same items.

(I still only charged my customers 15% over my Walmart purchase price.)

Soon the jobbers and distributors started playing games with me.  If I wanted a "select" S&W, Ruger, Remington, Winchester or Browning, I had to buy at least three pieces of crap with the same brand name on the barrel.  In other words, if I wanted a Smith 60 I would have to buy 3 Model 19's, etc.

In addition, a hell of a lot of the "wholesalers" started opening "retail".  So they soon became my competition instead of my supplier!!

Soon "customers" (not any of my regulars) started coming in and wanting to know the price of a rifle and a scope.  (My standard deal is that I would mount the scope and bore-site it for free.)  I was informed by one customer that Walmart was selling the same Ruger 77 for $5 less than I wanted, and the Redfield scope was $10 less.  I had a simple reply...

"Then get your ass to Walmart and buy it!"

(Yes, I was as "cranky" then as I am now.)

Soon the customer would come prancing back into my shop, with rifle and scope in hand.  What did he want?  He wanted me to mount and boresite the scope for him.

I did, and I charged him $35.  So, maybe he saved $15 by buying at Walmart, but he ended up paying $20 more, because that simple little 17-year-old school gal behind the gun counter at Walmart had no idea how to mount a scope, and "boresite" wasn't even in her vocabulary.

Well, eventually I had to raise my profit margin from 15% to 20%.  Why?  Because the price of coffee went through the ceiling (yes, there was always a fresh pot of coffee on the stove for all to drink, for free).  The electric rates almost doubled, as did the gas.  My insurance tripled, and I had to put steel bars in all my windows and install a burglar alarm system and a special phone line for it.  Not to mention tax increases!

My "loyal" customers started bitching and complaining about the increase.  And they started going to Walmart to buy their firearms and ammo and components and equipment.

Were they ever surprised when Walmart told them that they could not special order anything.  They bought what was on the shelf or they go without.  (And Walmart never offered free coffee or a place to paly cards.)

Finally the aggravation became more than I cared for, so I shut the doors.  No, I didn't have a going out of business sale.  I just transferred all the firearms to me personally, and kept all the other stuff for my own use.

Soon after Walmart decided they would no longer sell firearms.

That was when I started receiving phone calls ... "Hey, Steve.  when are you going to re-open the shop?"

My answer?  You guessed it ... NEVER!

Yes, I still keep my FFL active, mainly for my own use.  I do order some firearms for friends, as well as reloading supplies and equipment.  But the days of 15% over cost are long gone.  It is now 20%, plus shipping, plus hazmat (if applicable).  And I want payment in full before I place the order.

Oh, and I still do transfers.  But what I used to do for $5 is now $25.

So I guess it is as I have preached in all the forums.  It really wasn't the big stores, or the internet that caused the disappearance of the locally owned gun shop ... it was the tight-assed customers who thought they were saving $1 or $2!

Do I miss the shop?  Sure do!

Would I open another one?  NO WAY!  (Unless of course I only handled $5000 and up firearms, which would only be sold at "full list".)  I am not going to be bothered about a stinking $400 or $500 rifle or a $300 shotgun or a $100 handgun.

You guys decided that saving a dollar or two was more important than maintaining a regular relationship with your local shop owners.  I decided that I didn't need you ... as have many other shop owners.

So quit your bitching about paying hazmat fees, paying transfer fees, and not having a gunshop close with a decent inventory.

YOU are the reason for all of this...[/quote]
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2004, 02:35:34 AM »
It is very interesting to see the feedback on this.  In the opening message in this thread, I complained about the difference in price was 20 to 25% over what I would have paid for the same items mail order, and probably 15 to 20% over what I would have paid at one of the other two reloading shops in my area.  It appears these guys are just out of touch on their pricing.
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2004, 02:51:20 AM »
I was hoping a post like ricciardelli's would be made to further amplify the value of local gun shops. On the other hand, prices must be reasonable too. And I don't mean chiseling for every little nickle, I mean giving real value for the money, just as other specialty shops do.

The two reloading specialty stores in my area are excellent and I'd rather go there than shop mail order.  However, the closer one gives poor service on transfers (like forgetting to send the paperwork and forgetting to call me when the gun arrives), so I go to the third place, which I had the price problems with.

I see places like Sportsmans Warehouse popping up and I don't like it. Their selection of goods is WalMart-esque in that they carry the commonly used stuff, but not the stuff an enthusiast would buy.  The 50 year old guys working there are the same guys that were 17 year old know-nothings working at WalMart years ago, and they appear to know nothing of their trade. They're just cashiers.

Finally, my personal opinion of WalMart is that it's a great place, but I do not buy anything I expect to be durable there.  When I have, it has always been of inferior quality and durability. I do buy expendibles there, like clay pigeons, motor oil, filters, mouthwash, etc., and they're fine for stuff like that. Some people buy clothes there, but I've found it better to go to a department store for clothes, also because of quality issues.
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2004, 04:25:18 AM »
I guess you have to define what "reasonable" is...

In the past year I have sold AA target loads for $44 a case; RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme presses for $98; The Master Kit for $240; The accessory kit for $76; Trim Mate case prep for $82; most of their die sets for $23; Lyman Auto-Flo 2200 tumblers for $82; Lyman treated media for $13; MEC 650 for $171; Dillon RL550B for $250; Winchester primers for $64/5000; Federal primers for $68/5000; Remington primers for $69/5000; CCI primers for $66/5000; Hodgdon shotshell and pistol powders for around $80/8 pounds; Hodgdon rifle powder around $107/8 pounds; IMR powders around $100/8 pounds; Alliant powders for around $87/8 pounds; Accurate powders for around $100/8 pounds;Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x40 for $376; Leupold VX-III 4.5-14x40 for $422; Leupold VX-II 4-12 for $348; Leupold bases for $12;Remington 700 BDL's for $500; Remington 700 Classics for $479; Winchester 70 Classic Featherweights for $540; Ruger #1's for $581; Ruger shotguns for $977.

Would you consider those "reasonable" prices?

And yes, I do refuse to sell anything French, anything S&W, anything made in Canada, China, Germany, Korea, Mexico or Russia.

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2004, 09:18:43 AM »
Those prices are low.  Too low, I think. You may want to consider raising your prices.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2004, 09:34:32 AM »
By the way, as an example, I paid $44 for a box of Speer Grand Slam 285 grain 375 bullets.  Actually it was more than that because of tax.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2004, 10:46:20 AM »
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By the way, as an example, I paid $44 for a box of Speer Grand Slam 285 grain 375 bullets.  Actually it was more than that because of tax.


Just checked my receipts, and about 6 months ago I sold 10 boxes to a guy for $26 a box.  He gave me a $50 tip...

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2004, 11:30:00 AM »
I can understand why. He got  a great deal.  I think they normally go for about $35 a box.
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2004, 11:34:48 AM »
Yep, that's right. midway and midsouth both sell them for about $31 a box. Add shipping and you're around $35 assuming you're buying other stuff in the same order.  If it's worth your while to sell at those prices, your customers are getting a good deal.  Is that walmart still around the corner?
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2004, 11:52:08 AM »
Don't know about the Walmart...my shop was in Pennsylvania, now I am in Montana...and the closest Walmart is around 279 miles from here!

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« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2004, 12:47:50 PM »
Today I signed on a new Sponsor for GBO. Midsouth Shooters Supply at http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/  They will soon have a banner in the rotation.

They sell that bullet at $30.49 per box and charge only actual shipping cost over that. They do not add anything for packaging or handling like some places do.

I've been buying most of my supplies from Midsouth since the early 80s. Sure am happy to announce they are now a Sponsor of GBO. Yeah I had just called in an order before I spoke with Mike and he confirmed they are now ready to sponsor the site also. We've been talking on this for some while but the deal is now done.


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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2004, 01:59:45 PM »
I'm mixed on this. Got a nice local dealer who treats me right and I buy as much from him as I reasonably can.

BUT, I ain't about to forget that Davidson's and their National Alliance of Stocking Gun Dealers colluded with the anti-gunners and BATF to put me and the other backyard part timers out of business. Seems to me that they forfeited their right to whine that they are being put out of business.
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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2004, 05:36:14 PM »
ok um well im all so mixed as the rest of you all but heres the prob. i work for one of the big guys noo not wallmart cabelas or basspro but we all so dont sell handguns an specialy ammo i couldent get 41 mags 454 just the standered 38s 9s 40s 45acp but sold ruger savage an such all so the heigh end guns were out of my reach all so, when you have 300 stores thers no way some little guy can touch the prices i was turning a way little shop dealers wishing to by 20 30 cases of shells cause i wasne alowed only 10 per customer, i was selling them cheaper than they could get them holesale, do we think we will put the small shop people out of bussness nope we well the head guys desided to some one help, we keep out of the handguns heigh end stuff same with reloading an spec. shells an recomend a few local guys that our own people have delt with, same with bows we sell bear marten an hoyt, now you come in an want a mathews sorry we dont carry them or pse ect but i have so an so well they dont want them ok well joes up on st blah has that ask for john hes a good guy heard good things about them, now hunting seasion comes around u nead your standered rem or winchester shells an boots clothing your going to come to me dad or son wants a mid price weapon rifle shoot gun they come to me you want that weatherby or high end or so forth or 44 mag u nead to go see joe up the street, now all so being a consumer i hate going to places an haveing questions they should know the answer too an its like i can get a better answer from my 2 year old an thats wrong do i shop the little guys? yes a lot more than i do my own store im at the level in my like the standered savage or mossburg shot gun isent what i want same with shells when i want to go to the range an shoot off a few hundered of 9s an not care i get them at work when i wish to take a bear with a factory load or nead reloading stuff i go to the little guys, its kind of funny when u go to the little shops an buy stuff then u see them ther later in the week geting some thing off of you but places like wolly world i dont ever go in i think they are way over rated an all ways backed up granted u can get every thing under the sun in one place but i have been ther an ther are all ways lines if they so grate they should have all them check out lines open  not 3 an the other 40 empty but i really think the smaller shops that wish to stay around have to kind of find ther place along side the larger place ive told many people that were thinking of opening a store around ours  to let me know when they open if they do i send lots of bussness localy

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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2004, 06:54:34 PM »
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ok um well im all so mixed as the rest of you all but heres the prob. i work for one of the big guys noo not wallmart cabelas or basspro but we all so dont sell handguns an specialy ammo i couldent get 41 mags 454 just the standered 38s 9s 40s 45acp but sold ruger savage an such all so the heigh end guns were out of my reach all so, when you have 300 stores thers no way some little guy can touch the prices i was turning a way little shop dealers wishing to by 20 30 cases of shells cause i wasne alowed only 10 per customer, i was selling them cheaper than they could get them holesale, do we think we will put the small shop people out of bussness nope we well the head guys desided to some one help, we keep out of the handguns heigh end stuff same with reloading an spec. shells an recomend a few local guys that our own people have delt with, same with bows we sell bear marten an hoyt, now you come in an want a mathews sorry we dont carry them or pse ect but i have so an so well they dont want them ok well joes up on st blah has that ask for john hes a good guy heard good things about them, now hunting seasion comes around u nead your standered rem or winchester shells an boots clothing your going to come to me dad or son wants a mid price weapon rifle shoot gun they come to me you want that weatherby or high end or so forth or 44 mag u nead to go see joe up the street, now all so being a consumer i hate going to places an haveing questions they should know the answer too an its like i can get a better answer from my 2 year old an thats wrong do i shop the little guys? yes a lot more than i do my own store im at the level in my like the standered savage or mossburg shot gun isent what i want same with shells when i want to go to the range an shoot off a few hundered of 9s an not care i get them at work when i wish to take a bear with a factory load or nead reloading stuff i go to the little guys, its kind of funny when u go to the little shops an buy stuff then u see them ther later in the week geting some thing off of you but places like wolly world i dont ever go in i think they are way over rated an all ways backed up granted u can get every thing under the sun in one place but i have been ther an ther are all ways lines if they so grate they should have all them check out lines open  not 3 an the other 40 empty but i really think the smaller shops that wish to stay around have to kind of find ther place along side the larger place ive told many people that were thinking of opening a store around ours  to let me know when they open if they do i send lots of bussness localy


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« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2004, 11:06:09 PM »
Ouch, I quit reading after the 4th line or so, was giving me a headache trying to translate it to english.  :-)
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« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2004, 01:12:19 AM »
My 2 local gun shops I use to buy all my bullets powder primers from.
Until I got the internet and seen the light.

Sorry if this makes anyone mad but what I was paying for bullets alone was enough to piss anyone off, after I found out what I could get them for threw the net.

Just an example: Box of Barnes "X" bullets in 458cal. 500gr. I was charged 25% over cost $3.00 shipping (per Box) then sales tax. It was the same way with any bullet they had to order. (And no they didn't carry a large selection of bullets)

Powder and Primers are a joke at our local gun shops. I get my powder and primers from the same warehouse and they are charging $10 more for a pound than it cost me. (Talked to the warehouse owner and he told me the shops are getting a 15% discount because of the volume they buy in)
Primers they are charging $3.00-$3.25 per hundred. If you buy them by the 1000 you get a 5% discount. The same primers cost me $1.82per hundred or $1.42 per 1000.

They think if you need smith work done they can put the screws to ya. My best friend and I both had custom made 22-250 on Mauser actions. Ordered the same barrel and stock he took his to the local gunsmith I took mine to the smith 180miles away.
I got my rifle back 2 weeks later than his but his cost $250 more than mine. Everything was the same on both guns other than the cost.

Transfer of firearms well I got burnt on this once and never been back. I was charged sales tax on the cost of the rifle and was charged $45.00 Transfer fee. I was so mad I could spit but I had to pay it I already paid the man that I bout the rifle from and this jackass charges me sales tax on it?

Needless to say the only reason these 2 gun shops are still doing business is they both have indoor ranges in them. One has a pistol range the other has a pistol range and a 100 yard indoor rifle range.

I haven't bought many firearms from Wal-Mart (2 since Wal-Mart has been in town) and I normaly buy 6-10 firearms a year last year I bought 28.

If I had a gun shop near me like yours I wouldn’t need to go else were.

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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2004, 02:36:17 AM »
Actually Slavage is to be commended on what appears to be the longest sentence I've ever seen.
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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2004, 03:40:14 AM »
Warf...

You local dealer has no control whatsoever over the tax situation.  So it isn't fair to badmouth him for that.

As for the $3 for shipping...did you indicate to him that you wanted the bullets ordered "right now", or were you willing to wait until he placed his next order?  (Yes it makes a difference.  Most of the distributors I use have "shipping deals".  Order $2500 worth of powder and primers and get free shipping and hazmat; order $2000 worth of optics and get a 4% discount on the optics and a 6% discount on mounts and bases; order $2000 worth of loaded ammo and get a 5% discount; order 100 boxes of bullets and get a 4% discount; order $750 worth of reloading equipment and get a 3% discount; and then there are the drop ship discounts, such as: order $1700 worth of Barnes bullets and get a 7% discount.)

As for the Barnes bullets you wanted...if you would have been willing to wait until I place a large order, they would have cost you around $15 a box. I you needed them "right now", then they would have cost you the $15 per box, plus any shipping, handling, insurance and small order fee.

Have you checked to see what an indoor rifle range would cost to build?  Have you even looked into all the federal, state and local regulations of building one?

Have you ever seen all the political nonsense required to operate an indoor range and the politicians that have to be "supported" for getting a permit?

Say you want a hamburger.

You have four choices.  You can buy the meat, seasonings and buns and make it yourself (provided of course that you have some why to cook it and something to cook it in).  Right now 7% ground beef is going for $5 per pound, and buns are $2.29 for 8 here.  So your hamburger will cost you around $1.54 (not counting ketsup, salt, pepper, onion, pickle, cheese or the cost of cooking it).

You can go to McDonald's and get one for 99 cents (if the Quarter-Pounder is on sale).

Or you can go to the local "burger joint" and get a great Black Angus burger, with all the trimmings, and it will even be delivered to your table for you, for around $3.

And finally you can go to a fancy place and get your hamburger, along with all the fixings, soft music, dim lighting, waiters who speak French (oh my God!).  Total cost?  Around $15.

Which do you prefer?

As for the "warehouse owner" telling you what his pricing structure is ... the son-of-a-bitch should be shot!  And if he sells to the public, he should be castrated before being shot.

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« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2004, 03:58:16 AM »
I think Warf was saying that he'd already paid for the gun so the shop owner wasn't going to be showing that money as receipts for his shop and wasn't going to be passing the "sales tax" to the state. I've run into that scam myself.