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Offline bayrunner

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« on: September 27, 2004, 03:53:07 PM »
Hey Guys I’m going to take a little camping trip soon,in the costal range or the foothills of the Cascades in the Great Pacific Northwest. My question:: is a 45long Colt (single action ruger) ammo that you can buy over the counter (I don’t reload yet, but soon will) strong enough (penetration wise etc.) for black bear (200-300lb. range) the other option would be my 41 magnum (ruger single action also), if I have a choice I’d prefer the 45. What ever I take I want to make sure it gets the job done. Would availability of ammo across the counter be an issue between those calibers, which would be harder to get in a small town store?  THANKS BAYRUNNER

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« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2004, 05:21:13 PM »
Bayrunner,
I think you would be all rite with either one of the revolvers you mentioned.
Just make sure you get the premium loads like Federal or any of the other good grade loads. The 45 colt and the 41 mag will do just fine. Good luck and stay safe..........Joe.........
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« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2004, 05:33:00 PM »
Either with quality loads will do the job that we hope you won't have to do.

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http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/aawildlife/ak_bears.cfm
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2004, 06:25:50 PM »
the gun will be fine just make sure if its the 45 long colt get the box with the word corbon on it lol every thing in its way will die as long as u do its part lol
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 05:58:02 AM »
The .41 will get 'er done. :D  I would stay away from high velocity hollow point loadings though. I would prefer a heavy semi-wadcutter type bullet moving at relatively high speed for the penetration you will need on thick skin and big bone. Works fine on big  Ga hogs in that weight range for a friend who uses a .41 exclusively.
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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2004, 06:31:28 AM »
When it comes to bears bigger is definitly better. That being said if you don't reload then you need either the Corbon or Buffalo Bore heavy loads for Rugers. Either one will run you about $25.00 for 20 rounds. If you can't get them locally then you can order them direct from the company via the internet and have them shipped to you. LOL  :grin:

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2004, 02:01:20 PM »
Go with the .45 lc and COR@BON ammo .... it is an awesome combination if you do not reload. Their website is:

http://www.corbon.com/

I have used their Magnum +P 265 gr Bonded HP ammo and it will do the job for you. If you haven't used it before, you might buy 2 boxes and practice with the first 20 rounds or so. My purchase price was $28.00 per box but it is worth it if you do not reload. Velocity for this round is 1350 fps and energy is 1073 ft/lbs and it will flat out do what you want it to do.
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004, 03:57:16 PM »
Howdy Neighbor   :D

I am leaving for an elk trip over toward Yakima.
When I reached into the vault and pulled out one of the rugers, the 41 won.  It was the one I picked up, and the one I went and got ammo out of the reloading room for.  

Both the 45 and the 41 will do what you want, as long as you can do what you need to do.

Good luck with your choice, and stay safe.

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« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2004, 02:26:01 PM »
________Thanks for the reply guys, I think what I’ll do is if I can get some Corbon in the  250-265 range, around 1100fps in the 45 I’ll feel comfortable .If not, than I’ll probably go for the 41  non-hollow points 210-250 range around the 1100-1200fps, all ballpark figures, anyway I appreciate the replies ..____ THANKS BAYRUNNER_____ P.S. good luck on your Elk hunt neighbor(Steve P)

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2004, 05:40:42 PM »
:cb2: If you are serious about bear protection check out this site:

www.udap.com/

You'll have a better chance of surviving a bear attack with this than with a gun. Try hitting a basketball bouncing at you at 30 mph. Then add trees of all shapes and sizes. Try if from your sleeping bag, too. A bears heart beats once every 16 seconds. How much damage can an angry bear do to you in 16 seconds? (Plese add more time if your shot is close, but misses the heart.)

Hunting a bear is one thing. A bear attack is something totally different. I want more than just a handgun. I want something that is going to stop it dead in its tracks and run the other way. My 2¢ worth.
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2004, 06:35:22 AM »
Old Griz,
Thats one heck af a story, Those Gentlemen were lucky to get out of that situation with their lives. GRIZ you ought to post that on the Bear Hunting forum---If you haven't already done it. Thats Information that all should see if they are planning to go to bear country.
Thanks for posting some very important information And good luck.
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2004, 07:22:06 PM »
:cb2: Thanks Joe.

Sometimes I feel like I'm gonna make some folks mad if I suggest that there are times when a gun might not be the best answer to a problem.

That doesn't mean, however, that I don't pack a gun when I go camping. There are still some 4-legged critters that might need a dose of lead poisoning, but what I fear the most are tha 2-legged ones. Every situation is different. . . . I just like being prepared.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2004, 11:33:14 AM »
A heart shot is not a "stopping" shot on anything. The heart rate is not relevant. What works for large animals stoppers is a shot that breaks bones and/or disrupts the CNS. Heavy solids do this more consistantly than other loads in handguns.

 The question of "can you hit...." is individual, some are obviously up to the job, and some folks are just as obviously not up to the job. To surmise that nobody can do it or it is nearly impossible because so-and-so could not isn't really a useful statement in the discussion in light of many recorded instances of folks effectively defending themselves with a sixgun.

 I agree that bear spray has a valid place in the bear defense picture, but I rate it somewhere far behind a heavy sixgun. The limitations of bear spray are very real, wind in your face, strong cross wind, canister depleted. Some brands can freeze. Several accounts I have heard using bear spray the person hit the button and emptied the can, and not always effectively. Then we have the fact that about 2 to 4% of bears,(and people) are not affected by pepper spray. I think many bears ars killed that do not need to be, and pepper can be a help in detering these bears, but I also would not choose pepper INSTEAD of a decent pistol, but as a supplement to a good pistol or rifle.

 The best defense is keeping a clean camp, being very aware of your surroundings, and keeping the mindset that you can deal with whatever happens if you keep your head. Having ones head in the clouds, or not staying aware of aproach cover etc when in the woods, is what can lead to problems. in other words, don't make it easy for them. Bear attacks are fairly rare, but not as rare as many think. I live on the edge of good grizzly country in Wyoming, and it is a rare year that we do not hear of several grizzly attacks and charges that lead to bears being shot, and people getting "fluffed up" at least, or seriously chewed up. Black bears even more rarely attack people, but when they choose to, they are more dangerous because it tends to be predatory(meaning they intend to kill and eat you).

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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2004, 05:37:10 PM »
Howdy bayrunner,
Malamute has hit most of the subject on the nose.
Give this site a look for shells:
www.grizzlycartridge.com
They are in your home state ,up north of you.
I myself would take my 45 colt with a hot handloads.
But as you said you are not a reloader yet.
Myself I would take my 45 colt because it is the larges sixshooter I have and I can shot 320 gr slugs out of it ,plus hit what I point at.
For bear defence you need to be a point and hit shooter.If the bear is mad and you are what he or she thinks is what they are mad at,you are not going to have time to line up your sights.
75 percent of black attacks are mama with cubs,other 25 percent are wounded bears out for revenge.
Had a nieghboor that spent the night in a vinemaple because some dipstick thought they could kill a blacky with a 22 lr.
Just my 2 cent
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2004, 09:13:50 PM »
Quote from: bayrunner
is a 45long Colt (single action ruger) ammo that you can buy over the counter (I don’t reload yet, but soon will) strong enough (penetration wise etc.) for black bear (200-300lb. range) .........which would be harder to get in a small town store?  THANKS BAYRUNNER


Take a look at Buffalo Bore on the internet for your 45 (long) Colt with a Ruger.
http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#45colt

They will give you "magnum" performance.  Also if you buy another brand, get one with at least a 250 grain flat noise bullet.

Just as an aside I live in Washington State and the Wash State Dept. of Fish & Wildlife thinks that a 45 Long Colt (with normal factory loads not hot like the Buffalo Bore) is just fine for deer and bear hunting as long as you use a 240 grain bullet and a revolver with a 7 inch barrel.  A hot 45 Long Colt load would allow you to use a shorter barrel in theory.

They also say a 41 mag with a 4 inch barrel is fine for deer and bear.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/handguns.htm

Either Buffalo Bore 45 Colt or a 41 Mag should be fine.  I would expect that you might have trouble getting either kind of ammo in a small town.  You might be able to find some 45 Long Colt, but it would likely be either a watered down Cowboy load or a normal factory load for old blackpowder era colts.

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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2004, 03:33:49 PM »
If I had the space id pack either a shotgun loaded with buckshot and slugs both, or (if you had the extra money) a marlin guide gun, either the 45-70 or 444 would work. Used to own the 45-70 version great gun, light easy to pack, accurate, bad thing is I had the 18 1/2 ported barrel and went half deaf, so traded for an 1895c.
but whatever your choice good lluck and be safe