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Offline 95Road King

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« on: September 28, 2004, 03:19:50 AM »
A guy at the range told me these spur's slow your lock time WAY down.
  Said take it off if you want better group's!!
          Any truth to this???? thank's for any input. :?
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« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2004, 03:33:31 AM »
In the real world, no....<><.... :roll:
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« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2004, 03:36:27 AM »
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In the real world, no....<><.... :roll:
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« Reply #3 on: September 28, 2004, 03:43:30 AM »
Hammer spur doesn't slow the hammer down , Maybe 1 million of
 a second, I'll bet you can NOT tell the difference. Ma5rv.
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« Reply #4 on: September 28, 2004, 05:24:06 AM »
Lock time is usually discribed by those in BPCR as the explain the differance between the Remington Rolling Block and the Sharps when they are shooting fast strings at the BPCR matches.

But in the real world of shooting our Handi-Rifles it is a moot point because none of these have set triggers anyway   :roll:

I have a hammer spur on my Ultra 45-70 and it couldn't be more accurate than it is unless I wanted it to shoot one holers.

Now this was shot at a normal hunting distance for me in the dark woods where I hunt.  My 50 yard groups are very simalar and so on out to 100 yards where I will say that ALL shots fired at my deer target, find they're mark in the kill zone.

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« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2004, 07:20:36 AM »
when i shoot for the postal match i take the hammer extentions off the hammer.these groups were shot at 100yds for one of the postal matches and i wood call that real world shooting in my book.the faster the lock time the better off you are when shooting for very small groups.some of the best and most accurate custom rifles are built on the Remington 700 or a copy of action.the fastest lock time.take the extention off and try it out for your self.they do go back on when i hunt with these guns

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2004, 07:44:00 AM »
Jeff:

Are those 2 groups the exact same...sans the hammer spur??? Cause if they are...that does make a real difference......



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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2004, 08:02:59 AM »
Mac is right Jeff, if the only difference in those 2 groups is the hammer spur and no operator error is involved, then for Bench Rest shooting (not hunting) the hammer spur is a consideration to be figured into the equation. I do agree it goes back on for hunting and general shooting....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2004, 08:13:39 AM »
If I remember right top target is Jeff's 223 and the bottom is his 30-30 or something like that.  Judging from the sizes or the holes they are not the same barrel, the bottom is 30 cal, the top is 22 cal.

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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2004, 11:21:11 AM »
Thanks Scruffy, I think your right, the title "Jeff 223" on the cards confused me, I thought he shot them both with his 223 instead of writing his forum "handle" on each card. It's so easy to get confused as you get older, but one thing I do know, that 30-30 card is one more reason for me to keep looking for a 30-30 barrel!!

That group is as good and perhaps a bit better than my sons from his 30-30 Marlin 336!!!

....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2004, 11:37:40 AM »
there is a 30-30 and a 223 group.

all i am saying here is this,the faster the lock time the better.if you feel that the extention doesnt matter thats fine with me.as far as my shooting is concerned i will take the extentions off like i allways have at the range.i know  it helps out some as far as a faster lock time witch intern helps produce smaller groups.i am not going to debate something like this when i know i am right

just thought i would help the guy out with a little shooting knowledge and some facts
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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2004, 11:49:43 AM »
Whoa big fella, were on your side. I wish to thank you for your expertise and advice as well as your willingness to share them with us. This is not a debate nor is it an advisarial proceeding, rather it is an exchange of ideas and beliefs among friends. You can't argue with success and your targets speak for themselves. I agree with your opinion(s) and wish to personally thank you for imparting to us one of your hints for achieving small groups. I meant no offense and hope you took none....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2004, 12:56:58 PM »
sorry about my last post.i guess i didnt read some of the posts above very good and i took them the wrong way.i went back and reread them and i see i was wrong :oops:

sorry about that guys please forgive me :lol:
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2004, 01:29:11 PM »
No forgiveness needed Jeff but it's there if you want it, were all family here....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2004, 02:56:14 PM »
I have noticed extremely good groups with my 30/30 barrel.What in inherient in these NEF 30/30 configurations that makes this cartridge shoot so darn good?
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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2004, 05:15:20 PM »
How does the spur slow down the lock time? Just wondering. :D
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2004, 06:01:51 PM »
The heavier the firing pin, or in this case the hammer, the slower it will be in responding to the spring driving it.  The lock time is measured in milliseconds, if I remember correctly.  A faster lock time does make a difference.  That is why all the benchrest guys use actions with ultra fast lock times and two ounce triggers.  I had wondered about the hammer extension also.  Jeff223, care to share your load data on that 223 card.  Also have you had a trigger job done.  My 223 UV has a 4 lb trigger and seems like 10 lbs after shooting my bolt rifles with timney triggers.  Wish timney made a trigger for the Handi's.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2004, 07:20:10 PM »
Jeff...sorry if you thought I was implying something...I wasn't...just durn good shooting Bro...have you measured the differences your getting with those tack drivers...with the spurs on??? I'm going to give it a try tommorrow with my Whelen at the range...provided they don't have the 1 hour rule in effect...I'm wanting to chrongraph some loads I loaded up last nite anyway...and hopefully have a card good enough to send in for the postal match.......



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