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Offline Jim B.

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.38/.357 for squirrel-varmint?
« on: September 30, 2004, 03:51:49 AM »
Cknight98 & others

I wanted to start a new thread since this is digressing from the discussion of the .32 H&R Magnum.

Not being a handgun shooter I must admit a fair bit of ignorance of the versatility of the .38special and the .357magnum.  With the thought of loading light loads with cast bullets suitable for squirrels, can the necessary accuracy be gotten out of these cartridges for the required head shot?  If I wanted to load up the .357magnum to carbine levels would it be effective on coyotes to a reasonable range (100 yds)?

I like the sound of the flexibility of this chambering, I just need a little more information about what to expect.  Any advice is appreciated!

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.38/.357 for squirrel-varmint?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2004, 06:44:06 AM »
Check your local laws first.  In Louisiana, it is illegal to take squirrels with anything larger than 22 rimfire or 36 cal muzzleloader. Shotguns are legal, of course.

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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2004, 07:46:22 AM »
I have hunted squirrels many times with .38/.357 revolvers and low-velocity, cast lead bullets. Yes, you can get the accuracy needed for head shots. With hard cast bullets, even a body shot doesn't do much damage. The bullet doesn't expand.
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2004, 11:12:36 AM »
Somerled - at what kind of range can you reasonably hold a 1" group with your reduced loads?

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2004, 04:59:24 AM »
Jim B.,

If you carefully develop a handload, one can get one-inch groups at 25 yards with a wheelgun. I've had the most experience hunting small game with S&W revolvers with 4 to 6 1/2" barrel lengths. Look for groves of trees (we have a lot of Osage Orange hedge and walnut trees here) where squirrels have been feeding. Then set quiet and wait for them to start barking and moving.

I've used cast 150 to 158 grain SWCs and 148-grain hollowbase wadcutters.

OF COURSE--those bullets are going to land somewhere a long way away if they don't squarely hit wood or dirt. It isn't a good idea in a lot of places.

I've not used a Contender rifle with rounds such loaded for small game. I suspect you could tack on another 25 yds. or more particularly in open areas. I have a Contender rifle with a 24" .25-20 barrel. I have been getting some excellent 50-round groups with the 85-grain Meister cast flat nose bullet. It has the Williams WGRS receiver sight and a 1/16" gold bead front.

I usually carry a revolver such loaded or have the Contender nearby. They are handy. I suspect there would be all sorts of better options, including scopes, if one was setting out solely to hunt small game.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2004, 04:43:43 PM »
Yes, sir! Be sure of the backstop always. I remember when an officer I worked with decided to make a few head shots from the waist at 1 yard from the B-27 target. The .38 SWC rounds went over the top of the berm, over a hill, across a U.S. highway and landed amongst some roofers on top of a barn about 3/4 mile from the range. It didn't make the barn owner very happy. Also the sheriff was greatly displeased. And the range was shut down.
"Let us speak courteously, deal fairly, and keep ourselves armed and ready."
President Theodore Roosevelt, San Francisco, Calif., May 13, 1903