Author Topic: Question on new super black hawk hunter? (Read 1160 times)

upnorthbacon · « **on:** October 02, 2004, 04:26:36 PM »

Well I was going to replace my Encore pistol (house fire destroyed it) with another one this week but ended up leaving with a stainless super black hawk hunter in 44mag. I also bought a 2x20 Nikon scope and mounted it up. I can't wait to do some shooting. I have a couple questions. Does mine have the bisley grip? What is the difference in the bisley and regular black hawks? What is a good hunting load for whitetail within 100 yards. And for that matter what is an effective range of a 44mag in a 7 1/2" barrell if I do my part and make a solid lung hit?

SLAVAGE · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2004, 05:26:03 PM »

before i started reloading i shot the 240 hornady xtps
but i love the winchester 250 gold hps but ther 25 a box of 20

TennesseeNuc · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2004, 06:31:13 PM »

upnorth,
Take a look at Sturm Ruger's website. They have a catalogue that will show you pictures of their handguns. You can compare the shape of the Bisley to your grip. You can also compare their product code to the one on the end of the box that yours came in.
As far as effective range goes, I would think that whatever distance you could, consistantly, place your shots into a 6" circle would be your effective range.
Best,
TnNuc

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 03, 2004, 03:01:12 AM »

Here's the regular Hunter model:

Here's the Bisley Hunter model:

22popnsplat · « **Reply #4 on:** October 03, 2004, 05:57:39 AM »

The ruger revolver is a decent gun but the accuracy will not compare to the encore , With good loads after allot of practice with a scoped revolver I can push it to 100 yards depending on the shooting postion and availible rest but I try to keep my shots to 75 yards or less . The 44 mag will kill at much longer ranges but the accuracy of the revolver and my own abilities are limiting

upnorthbacon · « **Reply #5 on:** October 03, 2004, 08:56:07 AM »

Thanks for all the replies it looks like I have the standard hunter not the bisley hunter. I bought some 275gr remintgon core-lockt bullets today and I'll try them this week. I'm just getting into reloading and I was wondering if anyone had any suggested loads for close range deer? In rifles I generally use fast light bullets to get good tissue damage but I was thinking of using heavier bullets in my 44 to get better penetration. I'm definately going to miss my encore but this should be much more challenging to hunt with!

upnorthbacon · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2004, 11:05:48 AM »

Sorry, I have a couple more questions. I see there's a spring loaded pin in the lug of the barrel near the crown. I'm assuming this is for removing the front sight? Also can I shoot 44 specials out of this? Is there anything I need to know about shooting 44 specials out of a 44mag?

BlkHawk73 · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2004, 12:34:41 PM »

Yes that plunger is to change out the front sight.
You can shoot .44 Specials in your .44 magnum. Because of the shorter case length, be sure to thouroughly clean/scrub any build up in the cylinder. Most of all...Enjoy!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2004, 11:17:25 PM »

where in the up are you located

44 Phanatic · « **Reply #9 on:** October 04, 2004, 04:12:43 AM »

I have a 4X scope on my SBH Hunter. Tried the 2X but the magnification was almost nil. I can consistently hit a 8" metal plate at 100 yards with this setup from the bench. Off hand is completely different.
You will love this revolver. I cannot stop shooting mine.
44 Specials also shoot great through mine. Just makes the whole gun dirty after just a few rounds. A good cleaning is in order after a range session.
I am trying to get good enough to hunt with it this year. I want to get confident before I try to use it as my soul source in the woods.
I also shot my 1894P this weekend. This little rifle never stops amazing me with its accuracy.

44 Magnum is the way to go for 100 yards or less.

upnorthbacon · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2004, 11:26:39 AM »

I'm going to be shooting my gun thursday between sitting in my bow stand in the morning and evening. I've been reading that shooting with the barrell resting on something will throw my point of aim off? Does this mean I have to sight in off hand and always shoot off hand or sight in resting on the barrell and always shoot resting on something? This is news to me I've never heard of such a thing? Also Lloyd I'm located in Gaylord.

Camel 23 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2004, 02:58:58 PM »

I also have a scoped Hunter model and I've found that I have the best results by resting my wrists on top of a sandbag. This won't change the point of impact whether you're shooting offhand or rested. If you do want to put the barrel on a sand bag you could sight in that way and just bring the bag with you to your deer stand too.

upnorthbacon · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2004, 04:00:26 PM »

I guess I'm confused as to why it will shoot different? I understand the concept in resting a rifle barrel on something but I didn't think it would make that much difference in a short pistol? Why is the point of aim different? Does it matter if it's a scope or open sights? Does this mean I have to choose either shoot always from a rest or never from a rest? Here's my problem. I will mostly hunt out of a blind with windows which means I would likely rest the barrel on the window frame to get more accuracy. I don't want to have a good shot at a deer while walking to my stand and not be able to shoot because I'm not resting my barrel on something. I don't remember having any problems shooting my encore does this have something to do with the single action design?

Camel 23 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2004, 11:29:37 PM »

It may not matter much with your gun, every gun is different. Take a block of wood to the range with you (assuming the deer blind is made of wood) and rest the gun on the wood to see how it is shooting. Then shoot it offhand or with your wrists or forearms resting on the wood. The point of impact may be exactly the same or it may be off by 3 inches at 25 yards, nobody knows until you try. If the point of impact doesn't change you are good to go, don't worry about it. If the point of impact does change you will know how much to compensate on different types of shots in the field. Do you have to shoot either one way or the other? NO, but you have to know where your bullet is going to hit.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2004, 12:30:29 PM »

your going to have to make our second anual mich. shoot its just in your back yard in grayling. Mark Stevenson puts it on.

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I'm going to be shooting my gun thursday between sitting in my bow stand in the morning and evening. I've been reading that shooting with the barrell resting on something will throw my point of aim off? Does this mean I have to sight in off hand and always shoot off hand or sight in resting on the barrell and always shoot resting on something? This is news to me I've never heard of such a thing? Also Lloyd I'm located in Gaylord.

upnorthbacon · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2004, 02:07:01 PM »

Great let me know when it is and if can get the day off I'd love to come. I'll bring my glocks, beretta elite II, new super black hawk, and possibly my kimber if I can get ever get it off layaway!

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2004, 11:54:05 PM »

I avoid resting the barrel of a handgun on anything if your shooting off bags rest the frame of the gun on the bag dont let the barrel or the bottom of the grips touch anything one other problem youll run into shooting rugers of rests and resting the barrel on something is sheering off the ejector housing screw. Been there done that. I bench my guns resting on the frame then shoot them sitting down leaning against something like a tree and resting the gun between my legs most of the time shooting like that point of impact will be the same as off hand and its a real steady rest.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2004, 11:57:29 PM »

cant help you much with the jacket loads as all i use is hard cast. A good load for a 275 would be something like 22 grains of 4227 or 110 or 20 grians of 2400 these arent max loads but you dont need max loads for deer. If you ever get up this way id be glad to give you a bunch of cast bullets to try.

upnorthbacon · « **Reply #18 on:** October 07, 2004, 01:00:07 AM »

This was my first day out, I was resting my arms on the rail of the deck at our family's cabin. Not bad for the first day out, hopefully I'll tighten up my 50yd groups some more before hunting season.