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Offline Doc Lisenby

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Ted Williams 20 ga. shotgun M-300
« on: October 11, 2004, 11:57:35 AM »
A customer brought me one of these today complaining that it would shoot high brass shells but failed to eject low brass shells.
I noticed that there is a pressure release device on the forward end of the magazine tube and it is possible to reverse the piston therein.
I know that this is basically a Win M-1400 but I've never seen one with this device on it.
Anyone know if the reversal of the gas pressure release is an adjustment to allow shooting either high or low brass shells? The piston has a convex end and a cylindrical end and each can accept the furnished very strong spring.
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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2004, 08:01:03 AM »
Is the 'O' ring in place?  These are often lost and can affect operation.  Also are you certain it's a 1400?  High Standard made a gas operated auto loader resembling the 1400 but it used a round, tubular locking lug on top of the bolt and did use a gas pressure release.  The HighStandard regulator was adjustable... They are uncommon and had a limited run in production.  In the parts diagrams the 1400 seems to have the flat end toward the spring..
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2004, 11:27:34 AM »
Well, the cross-reference in Numrich shows the Sears-M300 as a Win M1400 and I've worked on several 1400's so I'm pretty sure it is a 1400.
I've never seen an "O" ring in any of them. Have I been missing something? Or are you thinking of a Rem 1100?
Thanks for the only reply.
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2004, 12:50:32 PM »
The Ted Wiliams/Sears/High Standard 20ga. Auto is a Model 75, not the 300.  I took a look at mine when I started to read your posts. FWIW Joe
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2004, 06:31:54 AM »
Sorry I missed the M300..  GunPartsCorp catalog Number 23, page 1000 Winchester M1400, part number 233930(numeric number 6).  They call it a forearm spacer(O-ring) but it's purpose is evident if one looks...  You might check since if you've not seen one before it may well be gone?  That same parts list gives a pretty good idea of which way the piston goes in the gas system assembly.  How does the gas regulator work..  Don't think I've seen one of those on a 1400 before either.  That's the reason I thought you might be looking at a HighStandard.  They do have a gas regulator system.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2004, 08:33:45 AM »
Now I see it and now I can understand why the fore-end slips forward.  Jack First says it requires fitting and shaping to the stock. I don't know how I missed it on other 1400's.
It looks like the schematic shows it going into the magazine cap and not between the gas chamber and the "stock".  Seems to me it is just a spacer to fill the gap between the gas chamber and the fore-end and wouldn't effect the operation much, if any. If it goes into the magazine cap it would function as a gas seal but I can't understand why it needs to be shaped and fitted to the fore-end.
Appreciate any comments along this line if you have the time.
Thanks for bearing with me so far.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2004, 08:48:19 AM »
I wouldn't know how it would be fitted to the stock???  but it seems to be a seal for the front on the gas system..   How is the weapon jamming..won't feed the next round, stove pipe???  The most often found problem with a shotgun that won't function correctly seems to be rusty chambers.  The plastic shells seem to leave a coating of plastic(?) in the chamber and the moiture gets under it and the result is a rusty mess.  Polish the chamber and see if that helps..  I regularly polish the chambers on the shotguns that come thru here and it's amazing how many turn out to be rusty.  How does the gas regulator on the 1400 you have work??  Check for clearance on the opertaing mechanism also.  A bent opp rod or bolt carrer can also slow down the works...
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2004, 11:19:56 AM »
Yo! I did polish the chamber and it was pitted more that I would like to see. Trouble comes when shooters leave shells in their barrels at home "in case of an emergency". Practically every gun they bring to my shop is loaded, maybe not in the chamber but in the magazine.
I liken being in this business as driving in NJ. It is rare when there isn't a car coming when you cross at a road crossing and it is also rare that customer guns aren't loaded. These will make you a careful driver and a safer gun handler.
The customer with the 1400 is going to come by tonight with shells he has been using and we will try it out. I've got some "O" rings that might work and it is repugnant to pay $3.40 for one plus shipping. I still don't understand about the stock fitting thing.  I think I have a 1400 around here somewhere but it is a 12 ga.  I'll see if I can see what they mean about fitting to the stock.
Appreciate your time and thinking.
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