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« on: October 14, 2004, 12:14:26 PM »
I think I made my friend feel about 2 centimeters tall today, but I feel it was justified.  He came in to work all excited.  He told me he wacked a deer in the swamp behind his house.  He told me how it went something like this:
It was right about sunset when I saw the deer.  I just glanced at the head and not wanting to get fixed and rattled by seeing antler I just picked out the body and shot.  I watched it kinda gallop away and stop way out.  I turned to hang my bow up and when I turned back the deer was gone, I just thought it dropped where it was."
First mistake was not watching the deer till you couldn't see it no more (he agreed with this mistake.)  Then it all fell away from there.  He didn't mark the general spot he shot the deer.  He didn't have any lighting to search with.  didn't have his tracking gear (like his spray bottle of  Hydrogen peroxide.)  He had to walk the 20 minutes back to his house.  He probably spent half an hour looking before giving up for the night.
Now, at this point Im still pretty relaxed.  I found it odd he was here at work and not out searching, but he said he would go back out tonight.  He is a janitor and would not be missed for a few hours, his boss would have no problems, and he is well off financially (thanks to his wife) that he didn't even need to be at work for the pay.
So I make some offhand remark about investing in a string tracker.  His son (grown adult) lost one in the same swamp bowhunting not more than a few weeks earlier.  He said "Yeah well I Know guys who used em and said sometimes the arrow hangs up and stops even before it hits the deer."  (I actually doubt he even knows someone who ever used this device.)  I said "Id rather watch the arrow stop before the target and watch the deer run off unharmed than shoot one, know I hit it and know its dead but I cant find it."  His Half a** reply to this statement is what floored me.  I was ready to spit fire, and the as the conversation progressed I was ready to tell this guy I didn't even want to associate with him anymore.  I told him that a responsible hunter would have been back out in the woods the next morning looking till he found the deer or was almost sure it was lost for good.  Add to the fact that he was WELL AWARE that it would be raining when he was going to continue his searching, as well as the fact that the daytime temps hit up over 60!  I asked how he could live with himself knowing what he had done and doing things so half a**ed.  He said it was something that just happens and that I would know what he means when I take up bowhunting, so deal with it.  Then he made some stupid comment about "oh well, just thinning out the deer herd."  It was at that point, as he was chuckling and grinning, that he got the cold stare of death from me which instantly wiped the grin off his face.  I told he squarely "Im done talking to you today.  No offense but I don't want any more advice about bowhunting from you ever again."  He tried pressing his case further, but I was POd to the max.  A veteran hunter with about 20 of those bowhunting, and a hunter safety instructor to boot.  I told him that as a hunter safety instructor he should be setting a better example, to which he continued to ply his "wait and you'll see" response.  I understand that losing a deer can happen to the best of us, even gun hunters.  But his half a** attitude and nonchalant way of brushing off the fact he was responsible for killing something, and not doing everything possible to recover that animal was a disgrace to hunters and the code we live by.  And as the day wore on all the other hunters in the plant took a similar stance as I (though it was personal for me and more of a joke to them about this guy.)  I don't think he came in expecting to be cut down like he did, but I ccouldn'ttake it.  I guess all that came after I began my rant was him trying to take the heat off himself, and I ttrulyhope he does not really think that way about things he said.  And hhopefullyhe does not do it again.  Later that afternoon I gave him my number and our buddy Ricks number.  I told him "be smarter next time, don't do such stupid things, and give us a call.  We would be glad to come help."  Another friend of ours said he would be happy to help any time as well.
Im sorry for this long rant.  But it was stewing inside me all day and I had to get it out.  Was I totaly out of line for un-intentionally belittling him?  I just couldn't believe this guy I had respected could act so callously.
Anyways, thats it.
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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2004, 01:58:49 PM »
And just one more thing.  He seemed more concerned about "losing a $25 arrow" than the deer.
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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2004, 02:48:19 PM »
Oh my...Good thing you didn't have a gun, eh? Otherwise he would have been the one wounded, bleeding, freaked out, and had a $1 bullet in him. See how he liked it  :)  :-D . And you're right. It's not right as a code of ethics not to go through with the deal and make sure the deer is as good as DEAD. Oh well. Those people will never change. Take care and good hunting!  :D
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« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2004, 04:57:56 PM »
I have seen the same thing for years.  The bow or gun hunter that takes his choice of harvesting tool out the week or day before the season and shoots once or twice and it is enough.  They get lucky enough to see a deer, shoot and then look for sign.  Seeing none they walk off.  

I understand your anger and have stopped hunting with people just because of their ethics.  Like sneaking into a state park before dawn so the joggers will drive the deer around during archery season.

Kind of crazy and it does no one in the sport any good.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2004, 11:58:04 AM »
Well, I feel it only fair to update evryone.  The ding dong went back the next day after work and started searching.  Since it was day out it was easy for him to spot his arrow.  sure enough it was 20 yards away, sticking almost vertically in the ground with not a drop of blood on it.  Apparently he had a branch that, when he put the stand up, he couldnt reach to remove.  So he told himself that he would just shoot over or under it, whatever the situation may call for.  Sure enough he forgot about it, and since it was dark.....well you can guess.  What he thought was the sound of the arrow hitting the deer was actually the sound of it smacking the underside of the branch.  I feel better knowing the deer got away clean.  It still does not make up for his lax attitude.  but hopefully this lesson taught him to be a bit smarter (which is sad that a 2 1/2 year hunting beginner, me, has to teach a 30+ year veteran, him, how to hunt smarter  :roll: .)
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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2004, 12:24:32 PM »
New meaning to the phrase, "You can learn something from everybody", eh?  :-D . Take care and good hunting!  :D
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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2004, 01:40:31 PM »
i've been a bow hunter for about 15years, (im 33) and cant believe that a fellow bowhunter could do those kind of things. Every time i go out, I plan my shots before hand, like if the deer goes here i can shoot ,or if the deer goes here goes here i'll have to wait ect. ect. To do what he did was not only wrong, but the guy ought to have his licence taken away for a couple of years. Over the years, i've been lucky to recover every deer i've shot...till last year. I called in a buck on the ground,  and to make a long story short, what i thought was a killing hit... wasn't. I tracked him that night to a neighbors field, and decided to wait till morning to finish tracking (was below freezing that night). Well I took off of work and tracked that deer for the next 12hours, and never did find him. I felt awful!!! So bad I didn't hunt for a couple of weeks. I hope I never have that happen again. The reason i told you this story, is because I love deer. They, to me, are the most beautiful animal on the earth, and deserve the respect of every deer hunter out there. With out them, we would be just a bunch of fat guys, with nothing to do. So tell that guy that "oh well just thinning out the herd" is a bunch of crap! We (the decent deer hunters, that anti-hunters cant say anything about) don't need them in the woods!

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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2004, 01:42:58 PM »
Heya Rudedog, I see ur a brand spankin new member to Graybeard Outdoors. Welcome! Since you've been bowhunting so long, you can give us newbies some good ol' tips and tricks! Take care!  :D
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2004, 04:06:05 PM »
Welcome rudedog.  He actually owes me one too.  He saw a spike horn ONCE just out of range and was getting ready to move his stand.  I told him he was out of his mind.  One deer sen only once is not reason enough.  Sure enough he kept his stand in the same spot because I told him to and thats why he got to take that shot.  Now he saw 6 deer this past weekend, also just out of range.  He wants to start playing musical tree stands here and its irritating me.  Ive given up trying to knock sense in him.  I think the Lyme disease+old age+a few too many knocks to the head= a doddering old fool.  Its kinda sad really.  He is for the most part a nice guy (heck he just gave me a set of antlers today for rattling cuz I was complaining about spending $30 for a synthetic pair through Cabelas.)  But I think he might be going a bit out of his mind (proofed by the fact he has lengthy conversations with himself when no one is around or listening.)  Anyways, welcome again rudedog  :D .
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2004, 09:41:53 AM »
Sure I can give info. What do you want to know about? Just remember, you get me talking bow hunting, and you wont get me to shut up.