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corelokt308win · « **on:** October 14, 2004, 01:27:59 PM »

1. Does NEF make muzzleloaders under another name? The Beartooth rifles look similar, as do the CVA ones.

2. Is there any way to make a breechplug from the beartooth or CVA rifles fit the NEF? I like the way a regular socket can be used to remove them and how no carrier is needed for the primers.

3. Could the NEF breechplug be drilled out and another breechplug be machined down and the two pressed together? Maybe one could heated, the other chilled before pressing them together to obtain a tight fit, or both could threaded and held together with a loc-tite product?

4. I called NEF/H&R 1871 today and was told by one guy, after he asked the guy next to him, that the rifleing in my barrel is not supposed to reach the end of the barrel. Anyone willing to look at theirs and see what theirs looks like? Mine ends about a quarter inch shy, and unevenly at that.

TPhunter · « **Reply #1 on:** October 14, 2004, 04:37:14 PM »

I just checked mine and the rifling also ends about 3/16ths of an inch from the end and it is tapered...You will find that the "gap" between the rifling and the end of the barrel is to allow for easier loading and also to assist in aligning the bullet with the barrel...Not a thing to worry about...As for your other questions I would be very reluctant to rely on pressure fitting the breech plug together...with the pressures in the chamber area would blow the breech plug in apart...If you could find out the breech plug diameter, thread count and length of the CVA or Beartooth...that would tell you if they would interchange with the H&R...You could also look up a reputable machinist that could make you a breechplug

tscott · « **Reply #2 on:** October 15, 2004, 12:54:48 AM »

n case you folks haven't noticed, the Beartooth is on sale for 100 bucks at Bass Pro.. One of the things that I have found over the years in muzzleloading is that cost of rifle does not nesessarily equate to performance... eg. my huntsman $70 barrel for my sb2 frame is my
go to muzzleloader. I have a $69 CVA Staghorn .45, that shoots very well,
in fact better than Knight disc. Bullets = Powerbelt hollowpoints.
The rifle coach at West Point once told me "go with hollowpoints when you can, compressed air makes the most accurate tip"...

nrb · « **Reply #3 on:** October 15, 2004, 02:16:31 AM »

I recommend the H&R rifles
1. They are well made.
2. You get good service from the factory which you can call.
3. These rifles are made in the U.S.A.

I also ask how is your Huntsman grouping before I would get concerned about the rifleing. Your description sounds like mine and mine groups under 1" at 100yds with several loads. Other users report similar fine accuracy.

best, nrb

corelokt308win · « **Reply #4 on:** October 15, 2004, 02:21:02 AM »

Thanks for the answers,
At least now I know about the rifling. I'm going to send the rifle back to have some other issues fixed, like it locking closed after firing and failing to latch shut sometimes. It dosn't do these things with the other barrels, I wonder if I got a lemon muzzleloader barrel or if the loads of 100 grains of 777 I started with were a bit stout for it. I'm shooting 80 grains now and plan to dump the 777 after the season and try the BlackMag3 because of the fouling and breechplug issues. I would think the 777 would be comparable to the high brass turkey loads I've put through the shotgun barrel, so I don't know why it's got all these problems now. It's not very accurate either, about 6-8 inches at a hundred yards.