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Offline KW

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« on: October 14, 2004, 08:18:51 PM »
Hello everyone  :D  I'm a newcomer to this forum, although I have been fascinated with the H+R/NEF firearms since I was born. My father has a H+R Shakari in 45/70 that is going strong and gave me the bug from the get go on them single shot break opens. I have been reading this forum for a few weeks and really like what I have seen, so it prompted me to join and ask a few questions. Some will have no doubt already been answered and I just haven't seen that topic yet, if that happens please forgive the redundancy of the topic. Also I have a habit of forgetting what I want to ask at once so I will be back with more questions that I may have :wink:                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ok question #1. My friend and I have a little banter going on as to which one is the stronger firearm, the T/C Encore or the Handi-Rifle, can anyone help settle this little dispute?                                                                                                                                                                                                           #2 Also I was looking at getting a Buffalo Classic and was curious if the 450 Marlin barrel will work with this reciever and what if any experiences have been made with the 450 marlin barrel and if there is a limit to how many barrels can be fitted to one receiver?                                                                                                                                                                                                            #3 Lastly is there a way just to get the stocks, forearms, etc. by themselves?                                                                                                                                                                                                     Thanks for the help. Looking forward to brainstorming with everyone. Shoot safe.  KW

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« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2004, 09:19:29 PM »
KW:

Welcome Aboard  :D

In answer to your questions........

1) Yes the Encore has a stronger lock up than does the Handi....hence the Magnum calibers offered in it...

2) As far as I know...yes it will...and you can always call the Customer Service dept. at NEF and see what barrels are available prior to shipping your receiver to them...and while your on the phone with them...to answer  #3...get a price for the stocks and forearms you can order directly from them...and while I haven't owned a 450...I know a few guys who do...and they like it  very much.....

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« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2004, 10:48:54 PM »
The fit and finish of the encore is head and shoulders above the handi rifle.  I've never been very impressed with the handi rifles but I really like the encore system.  Its just a lot more versatile than the handi rifle.  I'm sure a lot of your NEF/H&R guys will dissagree but I just perfer the encore.  My uncle has a NEF .243 that shoots really good and he really likes it.

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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2004, 05:20:19 AM »
I don't have either but I am familiar with both. Both have the capacity to be very accurate but it comes down to price. NEF's are in the $200 range whereas encores are in the $400-$500 range. You get what you pay for.
I believe the manufacturing of encores is better. With handi's you have to send in your reciever every time you get a new barrel but with encores you don't. It's pretty much a trade off. Price vs. ease of barrel swapping.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2004, 05:45:29 AM »
Weatherby, just to let you know (you may already know), the barrel fitting is needed for the initial new barrel purchase only, not for every time you change barrels. After that it takes the owner much less than a minute to swap barrels on his gun, very easy and straightforward swap, remove the forearm with a phillips screwdriver, drop the barrel from the receiver and place the new barrel on the frame, replace the forearm with the phillips screwdriver and your good to go. With a survivor forearm it's just loosening a knurled nut that holds the forearm in place, no tools needed. Also many here are now fitting their own used barrels so it's even cheaper. As far as shotguns go, you can buy a new Pardner (H&R shotgun) in any gauge from Wal Mart for $79.00 to $89.00. For sake of discussion lets say that was a 12 gauge, look around and buy a used 16, 20, 28, and 410 barrel for about $30.00 each used and fit them yourself.
For just about $200.00-$210.00 you can have a combination shotgun with a full set of barrels in 12,16,20,28, and .410 bore. Granted, the 28 gauge might be difficult to find used and more difficult to find for the price of $30.00, however if you really wanted it you could order it new from H&R for $39.00 plus the shipping and fitting fee, still a great deal.
I would guess if one were interested in getting a full range of gauges for his receiver he should start by buying the 28 gauge new first since it is the hardest to find used (and they all cost the same new anyway), then look for used barrels in the more more common gauges, 12, 16, 20, and .410. If you really wanted to be versatile you could start with a higher strength SB2 rifle receiver than look for addittional rifle and shotgun barrels....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2004, 05:57:51 AM »
I knew the fitting was just for new barrels. I guess if you have the machining knowledge (I don't) you can easily do it yourself. I guess my point was that you get get a lot more with the handi. If one wants to shoot a magnun round then the encore is the way to go. NEF has fewer choices as far as caliber goes. I am surprised that ther aren't more custom barrel manufacturers like T/C's have. I bet they would make a bundle.

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2004, 06:22:09 AM »
I've looked at the encore's a few times, and in my opinion it's one of the ugliest designs I"ve ever seen.  Just looking at one makes me feel uncomfortable.  The NEF is just kinda plain.  That, and I surely wouldn't want to be touching of a Magnum round in one of those little ol' things. The NEF is a hardworking truck/tractor/woods walking kinda rifle/shotgun.  See a lot of NEF's at our local PA State firing range...Don't ever recall even seeing any of the TC/encore weapons there atall.

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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2004, 07:18:29 AM »
Actually....the Handi is what ever you can and want to make it into...you can dress them up very nice...or go the utilitarian route....you have the option of tacticle stocks for them,synthetic,walnut,laminated is just a phone call away.....they can be speed demons too with the newer loadings...and you can also get... near...  magnum performance out of it...if you choose to go that way as well...you can spend a ton of money on these great little rifles if you choose to...look at some of the stocks from Wenig...they do have some of the finest available for them...at a premium price of course...but good funiture never comes cheap...no matter which rifle it's hanging from...


I look at them a-little different than most...I see them as being a base to build upon...and even in it's original form...it's still the best value in a single shot available...without all the fancy trimmings :wink:


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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2004, 07:39:39 AM »
Weatherby, don't worry about being a machinist, just being handy with common hand tools and having common sense will fit most barrels to receivers very well. They are fun and inexpensive, and they can shoot with the best of them with just a little TLC. And did  mention, in addittion to being fun, they are addictive!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2004, 10:42:18 AM »
So true, they are.  I had my 223 UV out at the range today.  First chance I have had in a while.  Shot my first handloads thru it.  50 grn Speer TNT's, 26.5 grn Varget gave 3 shots in 0.630".  This is about 3450 fps.  I love shooting this thing more than any other rifle I have.
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2004, 11:38:26 AM »
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2004, 01:34:31 PM »
I own both, Encore and Handi in 30-06, .50cal Muzzleloader, and .223.  Both shoot well, accuracy is comperable.  The Handi feels better and is more comfortable to shoot.  The Encore has better fit and finish.  But when it comes time to take the snow machine or four wheeler into the woods for a few days I always take the Handi along.  The Encore can take hotter loads than the Handi, but accuracy suffers.  I just like the way the Handi handles.  In fact I own three Handis and one Encore.  As far as Muzzleloaders go I prefer the Encore, It's accurate out to 250 yards.  If I did not do so much muzzleloading, I'd not keep the Encore.  I'll never part with the Handis.
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Thanks for the info.
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2004, 07:35:54 PM »
Hey everyone thanks for all the truthful info. It's nice to have someplace to go and get answers. Found out that it's kind of a wait to talk to the people there at NEF in the customer service dept. Was on hold for 15 min. and had to go back to work (although at least they have a human voice for the repeated message instead of a weird computer one :-) ) Oh well will try again. Thanks again. Shoot safe. KW

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2004, 06:56:47 AM »
I own both
I have a encore with a .22 hornet ,.223 and a .270 barrel
for My handi I have a .223 ,30-06,45-70 and a 12 ga barrel .
The encore is a much better rifle , The accuracy is much better and the handi rifle I found to be very finicky . My handi has ended up with a cracked frame after about 2000 rounds of .223 , I hardly ever fired any of the others.

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2004, 07:19:29 AM »
Send it back to H&R for an examination and replacement. This is the first cracked frame I have ever heard of on a Handi. Was that frame meant for the high intensity barrels like the 30-06? Did you buy it with those barrels or perhaps add them yourself without checking if it was the proper frame for the higher intensity barrels? If H&R fitted them I am sure there is no problem in getting it replaced. Just call CS, request a call tag and ship it back free when the gag arrives, costs you nothing. I am sure they would like to see that frame also. Could it be it started out as a 12 Gauge shotgun with a weaker frame not intended for rifle barrels. In any event I am sure they would like to examine it, and as long as nothing drastically foolish was done I am confident they will make it right....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2004, 07:21:08 AM »
The Encores and the H&R's are both great little guns but, as we all know, they each have their own place. The Encore has a much wider selection of barrel styles and calibers available with a limiting few for the H&R. I ordered a "custom" barrel for my H&R Ultra in 7.62X39 just so I would have something CHEAP to use for next spring at our pond to help control the turtle population. This barrel does have a .308 diameter bore instead of the .311 or .312 as I requested it that way because I will end up loading for it. Two years ago, I picked up 3,000 pieces of brand new, never fired brass (cheap), at a gun show and was ready to sell it until I found a barrel for it. As soon as I get my barrel in, the fun will start :grin: .

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