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Offline Varminter

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« on: October 16, 2004, 09:54:18 AM »
I have decided to get another barrel for one of my handi's, but i want to do a little extra to it if i get it.

Here's my plan.......

I want to get a 44 mag barrel, but the only problem is they come in 22 in. length only. I thought if i get one i could have cut down to 16 in. and recrowned and tapped for a front sight. I want to put see through rings on it and a good shotgun scope that way I'll still have the iron sights for close shots or in alot of brush and the scope for slightly longer shots.

I was gonna set it up for hog hunitng exclusively. What do ya'll think? Any input or additions to make it better would be appreciated.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2004, 10:55:30 AM »
If twer me, I'd not use the see-thru, just use a low power variable. I've got a 2-7x on a BLR that is as fast as any open sights I've used. See-thru rings for me are way too high to effectively use the scope, but I suppose that depends on the rifle stock and how it fits you. I would think the handi with the monte carlo stock would be great for the scope but not so good for the iron sights. I have a 1.5-6x scope on my .45-70 with laminated stock, handles real quick with excellent sight aquisition. YMMV,
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« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2004, 12:11:15 PM »
To do what you propose, you'd first have to find a set of the direct mount see-throughs of the right radius and then drill and tap the barrel to fit. The factory scope rail and a set of see-throughs to fit on top of them would require far higher iron sights.

More trouble than it's worth, in my opinion.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2004, 12:48:39 PM »
If i flush mounted the scope with the iron sights on the barrel wouldn't you be able to see the iron sights through the scope? I'm not real sure all my other barrels are smooth. The reason i want the barrel cut down is because the velocity of the round only increases out to a certain length and i think its around 16-18 in. Plus it would reduce alittle weight.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2004, 04:00:25 PM »
Well...since your going to have it for both...you could always comprimise and go with a scout scope...a very low power like 2x would work well in this application for you...check it under fixed power scope for the complete specs...on it  here http://www.leupold.com/products/products_highlights.asp

It would be a great alternative to pulling it off and on all the time...


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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2004, 08:29:05 AM »
Also, don't overlook the red dot solution.  I use the BSA wal mart version and have had good luck with it on several rifles including my nef .223.

Drawback is no magnification but, otoh, how far will you be shooting with a 16" .44 :-)

My red dot now resides on my sks where it solves the problem of issue sight adjustment and makes for quick target acqusition on anything within the useful range of the rifle (about 125 yards max).
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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2004, 09:12:00 AM »
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If i flush mounted the scope with the iron sights on the barrel wouldn't you be able to see the iron sights through the scope?


Not with a 4x scope. I just checked 3 rifles with front sights.

I have a vague memory that long ago I had a 2x on a rifle with a very high front sight that showed up as a blur right at the bottom of the scope. Nothing to worry about. If you are scoping it, might as well take the front sight off or just not put it back on if you are shortening the barrel.
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« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2004, 10:11:00 AM »
how is a 16" barrel legal? i thought barrels had to be at least 18"???
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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2004, 01:38:59 PM »
Unless I'm mistaken, shotguns have the 18" limit and rifles have to be at least 16", most that cut barrels make them 16.5 and 18.5 to take into account a LEO with a faulty ruler.  : :shock:

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2004, 01:40:41 PM »
oh, i didnt know that, Haywire. thanks.  8)
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« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2004, 01:49:56 PM »
Varminter,

I think "quickdtoo" and I have the right gun for your needs. It is the .45-70 Handi! I will add too, that I'd get a Lee 405g HB mould and cast them 20-30 to 1. I'd fire these 50/50 Crisco/beeswax lubed babes over 25g IMR SR4759 for a velocity of around 1,450. Very little recoil. It should hammer hogs!  :eek:

The 22" barrel won't be in the way, actually hardly noticeable.


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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2004, 01:56:15 PM »
i never thoght about a red dot but i will have to look in to it. The reason i want to cut the barrel is because of where i will be hunting in some very thick brush. With the short rifle i could maneuver alot quicker and easier. The longest shot i would get would be 50-60 yards and i think the 44mag would have enough knock down to handle the situation. Know where can i find one without going through nef
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2004, 02:09:46 PM »
hi varminter -

the 44 mag barrel would a good addition to the fold. i should probably get one too.

i spent one summer agonizing over a 26", 28" or 30" shotgun barrel for grouse. i hunt grouse in really bad conditions, wild overgrown apple orchards, thickets, vines, brush, you name it, i'v been cut, stuck, and scratched up by it. a good friend and much more experienced hunting partner told me not to worry about barrel length, 28" is fine and a barrel 2" shorter or longer won't increase or decrease my chances of getting stuck in the thicket or getting off a better shot. he was right in this case.

enjoy the new barrel !!!!

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2004, 02:28:56 PM »
Ditchdigger is running a red dot on his .45-70 hog gun, I'd think it would be a good choice for a 50-75yd hog gun. Probably not the best choice for longer shots, though.... :cry:

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=43802
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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2004, 02:42:55 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2004, 03:44:48 PM »
Wild boar... on foot...  in heavy cover... with a single shot rifle.  Dang... that's too much excitement for my heart to take.  :)   Hope you hunt with a back up who's packing a 12 gauge repeater full of slugs.  :wink:
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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2004, 09:39:03 AM »
I may sound crazy but I'm not stupid. :grin: I carry a 6-shot 45 colt as a sidearm. I figure 6 250 grain JHP will put it down if the first 44 don't. and if all of that don't get the job done I ain't got no business being where I am.
Anyway, does any one know where i can find a barrel?
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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2004, 12:01:35 PM »
I wouldn't chop the barrel at all!    It's already a barrel with no bolt behind it adding to its length.    That's one of the great features of these already-short rifles.

I'd put bright red on the front sight and shoot it as is if your longest shot is 60 yards.     It has worked well with my muzzleloader that way, which has a 26" barrel.

You risk ruining a work of art.....a .44 mag' single shot that will stop anything in this hemisphere if not all over the globe.    (shot placement being the caveat if the projectile and load are proper for the game)

Good luck.

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