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Why does Graybeard support Bush?
« on: October 17, 2004, 06:13:42 AM »
I would like to know why this forum supports Bush? Gun rights are very important to me and I won't vote for anyone that doesn't support the second amendment. I have a 16 year old son and I wouldn't sacrifice his life fighting in Iraq so why should I expect other families to sacrifice theirs. afgahnistan was justified, we needed to clean house there. There has been no proven link of saddam to al-Quaida, no weapons of mass destruction. Energy costs keep setting new highs. Jobs are being shipped overseas. What does Bush have going for him? That's what great about this country is that we have a choice, but between Bush and Kerry I don't think either one will get my vote.

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« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2004, 06:32:58 AM »
Well if you must know Kerry has voted for every anti-gun amendment presented in congress since he got there.  He is not a hunter, at all.  At one meeting he stated that he loved to crawl through the brush of Mass. with his double barreled shotgun to hunt deer. He has no clue.

He was also a member of a anti-war group that plotted the assination of the president at the time.  He was not honorably discharged and will not release his records.  There is a picture of him and Fonda in D.C. around the internet but it is a fake. His metals were taken away and returned in 76 when Carter pardoned many anti-war protesters and others.  Some people claim his real discharge is dated March 12th, 2001 by Clinton.

Sorry but the guy is a fake, just like Clinton was.
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Re: Why does Graybeard support Bush?
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2004, 09:37:46 AM »
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I would like to know why this forum supports Bush? Gun rights are very important to me and I won't vote for anyone that doesn't support the second amendment.


Hmmm, one total post and it's the ole, "I'm a good-old boy like you but ...[insert today's liberal talking points].

Thank you, seminar caller.

Okay, I'll play. Since you say you won't vote for anyone that won't support the second amendment then you won't vote for Kerry then right? Since he has:

Sponsored legislation to outlaw centerfire ammunition. [Guess all the militia needs is rimfire 22's]

Sponsored legislation to outlaw semiauto firearms and those with removable magazines.

Wants to tax both ammo and guns to make them too expensive to own.

Wants to give jail time and a $10,000 fine to anyone who has their firearm stolen by a juvenile and merely displayed in public by them.[Sounds like infringing to me but shucks, I was stupid enough to think that the guy who had his gun stolen was a victim.]

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I have a 16 year old son and I wouldn't sacrifice his life fighting in Iraq so why should I expect other families to sacrifice theirs. afgahnistan was justified, we needed to clean house there. There has been no proven link of saddam to al-Quaida,


The President of the Czech Republic is on record as saying that Iraqi intellgence met with Muhamid Atta in his country prior to 9/11.

Saddam Hussien had an airliner fuselage at a terrorist training camp.

Al Queda was in Iraq when we invaded and is still there now.

If you want more reasons read "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. In that she outlines how Iraqis took part in the Oklahoma City bombing and how Terry Nichols met with Al Queda in the Phillipines.  

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 no weapons of mass destruction.


Explain please why Iraqi soldiers were videoed LIVE, ON AMERICAN TV CARRYING GAS MASKS?

Please explain why Iraqis were trying to drive away in a truck that was virtually identical to a sketch shown on TV by Colin Powell to the UN? Oh, [hitting myself in forehead] that's right, according to you all we never sought UN support.

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Energy costs keep setting new highs.


In 1980? Because adjusted for inflation, that's when oil prices hit "new" highs. Also, please explain how President Bush controls OPEC.

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Jobs are being shipped overseas.


NAFTA was pushed and signed by Clinton.

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What does Bush have going for him?


He does not change his story every nanosecond.

He has proposed no new firearms laws and let the AWB die.

He kills terrorists in other countries and doesn't think they are a "nuisance" or should be treated with "sensitivity".

He is disliked by the the French.

Unemployment is low, home ownership is at an all time high, there is no inflation or recession.

He believes that the people who best know how to spend their money are the people who earned it.

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That's what great about this country is that we have a choice,



Yes, listen to liberals pretending to be something they are not, ladeling out the koolaid[talking points] or think for ourselves. Thank you, I will think for myself.

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 but between Bush and Kerry I don't think either one will get my vote.


Translation: "If I can convince all of you stupid rednecks to stay away from the polls the waffle king wins and I keep my cushy party job".

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« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2004, 09:50:23 AM »
That's the great part about America, we can support whoever we wish and if any gunowner thinks skerry represents your interest you should learn to read and check skerrys' voting record. There is no way skerry will ever be on the side of gunowners or has ever been. There will be a whole lot of exshooters if skerry is elected.
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« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2004, 10:15:09 AM »
Nice job Jack,but it won't convince xhooter,he is a P@ss whipped Libeal who does not understand the price of liberty.
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« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2004, 11:43:35 AM »
I'm no liberal, I voted for Bush the first time. What I was saying is that Kerry will not get my vote. I'm fully aware of Kerrys voting record on gun issues.  Jack and Intrepidwizard are saying they would let their kid die in Iraq and consider it the price of freedom? What about the senate hearing committee that couldn't find a connection between saddam and al-Qiada? If the information exists why hasn't it hit mainstream media? Even though they ( the media) are mostly to liberal. What I'm saying is Bush needs more proof to justify this war and the Iraq citizens need to learn to fight for their own freedom.

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« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2004, 12:04:04 PM »
The right war,in the right place and the right time,if it was not occuring now it would be to late a few years from now.
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Re: Why does Graybeard support Bush?
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2004, 12:26:43 PM »
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I would like to know why this forum supports Bush? Gun rights are very important to me and I won't vote for anyone that doesn't support the second amendment. I have a 16 year old son and I wouldn't sacrifice his life fighting in Iraq so why should I expect other families to sacrifice theirs. afgahnistan was justified, we needed to clean house there. There has been no proven link of saddam to al-Quaida, no weapons of mass destruction. Energy costs keep setting new highs. Jobs are being shipped overseas. What does Bush have going for him? That's what great about this country is that we have a choice, but between Bush and Kerry I don't think either one will get my vote.


You sound pretty confused to me. I will address your points one by one.  
1) Kerry is a huge threat to the 2nd amendment.  The Libertarians simply can't win but Kerry can.  We need Bush to block Kerry.  

2)  Saddam was biding his time untill the sanctions came off and he would be up to his old tricks.  Did you know he actually tried to assasinate Bush #1.  Iraq had a cease fire agreement from gulf war 1 that they renigged on.  That alone justifies the war.  Like Eisenhower said - we can spill a little blood now or buckets later.  BTW - we lost over 2000 men on the first DAY of the Normandy invasion alone.  29,000 Killed in just the invasion.  The battle of the bulge cost us over 80,000 casualties and while that does not make the sacrifices made in Iraq any less painful, it does put them in perspective.

3)  Energy prices are where they are due to Global demand.  China is using record amounts of oil and it is Kerry and the dems who are stopping domestic exploration.  Average estimates are that just the National wildlife refuge alone could supply 100% of our oil for 4 years.  Yes shut down all other oil wells in the US and it alone could supply 4 years of oil.  You can thank Kerry for not letting us tap into it.

4)  Yes jobs get shipped overseas.  However we have 5.4% unemployment.  The only time it was higher was during the .COM bubble which was artificial and  burst before Bush was in office.  Anyone wanting a job can easily get one.  If the pay is not high enough - go back to school and make yourself more valuable.  I worked nights and went to college during the day for years with little sleep and a family to support to get my degrees.  If you don't want to work for it - then don't complain.

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« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2004, 01:04:42 PM »
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I'm no liberal, I voted for Bush the first time. What I was saying is that Kerry will not get my vote.


Micheal Moore says he's a conservative. Is that what you mean?

Hmm, No WMDS, high cost of oil, wrong war, jobs overseas. Gee, sure looks like the Dem talking points to me. Tell me, when you post in primarily women's forums do you throw in that Bush will take away a woman's right to choose? And surely when you post to black forums you add how Republicans are going to stop blacks from voting.  

What I am saying is trying to get people not to vote for Bush is the same asking them to vote for Kerry. As if I'm telling you anything you didn't know.

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I'm fully aware of Kerrys voting record on gun issues.


Does Kerry campaign hq have a position paper on that?

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  Jack and Intrepidwizard are saying they would let their kid die in Iraq and consider it the price of freedom?


Hmmm, glancing back, I can't see where I said anything of the kind.

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What about the senate hearing committee that couldn't find a connection between saddam and al-Qiada? If the information exists why hasn't it hit mainstream media?


Everything I said was widely reported. Jayna Davis reported her findings on the NBC affiliatte in Oklahoma City in addition to publishing her book. You should try reading something besides the Washington Compost sometime.

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What I'm saying is Bush needs more proof to justify this war.


Ah, what proof was needed to go in Bosnia? What about Haiti? Could your kid go there?

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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2004, 01:12:40 PM »
AZShooter could not have said it better!

Held my nose and voted for Mr. Bush a few days ago pretty much for the reason that he said about the Libertian canidate is not in a position to win.

Although I am not satisified with Mr. Bush's performance, I dislike Mr. Kerry so much more for a whole bunch of reasons, beginning with his performance during the war in Vietnam.  I just can not find it in my heart to forgive him.  Mr. Bush on the other hand although his behavior during that period was reprehensible, did not cause the damage and pain that Mr. Kerry did.

I also heard about the character of Mr. Kerry's discharge and it's relatively recent change when he was in the Senate, I believe.  I can see why he would want to keep that quiet.

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Saddam and 9-11
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2004, 01:13:21 PM »
I vividly remember when the war started one instance where a mural was drawn (in a school) celebrating the happening of 9-11.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/26/sprj.irq.mural/

Then a poster of Saddam glorifying the event.

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Was it because they were recording the event for history?  I don't think so!
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« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2004, 02:09:15 PM »
xshooter, Are you trying to suggest that Bush is going to reinstate the draft? (another demo suggestion to scare the public away from Bush) Bush says what he means, he's a REAL person. He doesn't want to let France or the UN run our country or dictate our policies. I don't know what everyone has on Bush to say he's such a terrible leader. Even after the 9-11 horror, this admin. didn't let our country fall apart. Alot of what I hear being said about Bush and his pitfalls, would have happened to any admin. Heck, if Mt. St.Helens erupts again, it's sure to be because of something Bush did.  :roll:  Healthcare has been in the toilet alot longer than 4 years. Jobs / companies have been going overseas for more than 4 years. It's ridiculous to hear a millionaire (kerry) talk to us peeons like he's one of us and he's going to stop that millionaire (Bush) from taking advantage of us. I have to go with Bush if for no other reason than he is decisive and WILL make the tuff decisions to protect our country. He does not back down because something might not be popular with special interest folks.
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« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2004, 05:19:26 AM »
The Therapeutic Choice

A war for our lives, or a nuisance to our lifestyle?



Americans are presented with a choice in this election rare in our history.
This is not 1952, when Democrats and Republicans did not differ too much on the need to stay in Korea, or even 1968 when Humphrey and Nixon alike did not wish to withdraw unilaterally from Vietnam. It is more like 1972 or 1980, when a naïve McGovern/Dukakis worldview was sharply at odds with the Nixon/Reagan tragic acknowledgement of the need to confront Soviet-inspired Communism. Is it to be more aid, talk, indictments, and summits — or a tough war to kill the terrorists and change the conditions that created them?

Mr. Kerry believes that we must return to the pre-9/11 days when terrorism was but a "nuisance." In his mind, that was a nostalgic sort of time when the terrorist mosquito lazily buzzed about a snoring America. And we in somnolent response merely swatted it away with a cruise missile or a few GPS bombs when embassies and barracks were blown up. Keep the tribute of dead Americans low, and the chronic problem was properly analogous to law-enforcement's perpetual policing of gambling and prostitution. Many of us had previously written off just such naïveté, but we never dreamed that our suspicions would be confirmed so
explicitly by Kerry himself.

In the now-lost age of unperturbed windsailing and skiing, things were not
all that bad before al Qaeda overdid it by knocking down skyscrapers and a corner of the Pentagon — followed by George Bush's commensurate overreaction in Afghanistan and Iraq that brought on all the present messy and really bothersome cargo of IEDs, beheadings, and promises of dirty bombs to come. The Taliban and Saddam were, of course, bad sports. But really, going all the way over there to topple them, implant democracy, and change the status quo of the Middle East? Tsk, tsk, tsk — well, that was a bit much, was it not?

Terrorist killing, like the first World Trade Center bombing or the USS Cole, certainly was not seen as the logical precursor to 9/11 — the expected wages of a quarter century of appeasement that started with the weak Carter response to the Iranian hostages and was followed by dead soldiers, diplomats, and tourists about every other year. No, these were "incidents" like 9/11 itself — "law-enforcement" issues that called for the DA, writs, and stern prison sentences, the sort of stuff that barristers like Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, and McAuliffe handle so well.

This attitude is part of the therapeutic view of the present struggle that
continually suggests that something we did — not the mass murdering out of the Dark Age — brought on our present bother that is now "the focus of our lives."   We see this irritation with the inconvenience and sacrifice once more reemerging in the Atlantic Monthly, Harpers, and the New York Times: We, not fascists and Islamist psychopaths, are blamed for the mess in Iraq, the mess in Afghanistan, the mess on the West Bank, and the mess here at home, but never credited with the first election in 5,000 years in Afghanistan or consensual government replacing autocracy in the heart of the ancient caliphate.

Sometimes our problems arise over our past failure to chastise the Russians over Chechnya. Or was it not enough attention to Mr. Arafat's dilemmas? Or maybe we extended prior support for corrupt sheiks? All that and more — according to rogue CIA "experts," best-selling authors, and the omnipresent Richard Clarke — earned us the wrath of the Islamists. Thus surely our past transgressions can be alleviated by present contrition, dialogue, aid, and policy changes of the European kind.

To all you of the therapeutic mindset, listen up. We can no more reason with the Islamic fascists than we could sympathize with the Nazis' demands over supposedly exploited Germans in Czechoslovakia or the problem of Tojo's Japan's not getting its timely scrap-metal shipments from Roosevelt's America. Their pouts and gripes are not intended to be adjudicated as much as to weaken the resolve of many in the United States who find the entire "war against terror" too big, or the wrong kind, of a nuisance.

Instead, read the fatwas. You hear not just of America's injustice in
Palestine or Chechnya — not to mention nothing about saving Kuwait, Bosnia, Kosovo or Afghanistan of the 1980s — but also of what we did in Spain in the 15th century and in Tyre, Gaza, and Jerusalem in the 12th. The mystery of September 11, 2001, is not that it happened, but that it did not quite happen when first tried in 1993 during Bill Clinton's madcap efforts to move a smiling Arafat into the Lincoln Bedroom and keep our hands off bin Laden. Only an American with a JD or PhD would cling to the idea that there was not a connection between Group A Middle Eastern terrorists who attacked the WTC in 1993 and Group B who finished the job in 2001.

A Kerry presidency, we know now, will go back to the tried and true
institutions so dear to the therapeutic mind that please the elite and sensitive of our society. How silly that most Americans are about through with the U.N.   Indeed, we Neanderthals want it relegated to something like the Red Cross tucked away at the Hague, if not on the frontlines in Nigeria or Bolivia. Yes, we dummies have seen enough of its General Assembly resolutions aimed at the only democracy in the Middle East, its promotion of rogue states such as Syria, Cuba, Iran, and Libya to human-rights watchdogs, its corrupt Oil-for-Food program, and its present general secretary and his role in nepotism and sweet-heart contracts at the expense of the Iraqi people. No surprise that a shaken perpetual-president Hosni Mubarak is calling for a U.N. conference on terror with wonderful Arab League logic: 'You kill Jews on your own soil, good; you kill them on
mine and lose me money, bad.'

The artists, musicians, and entertainers have also railed against the war. In the therapeutic mindset, the refinement and talent of a Sean Penn, Michael Moore, Al Franken, Bruce Springsteen, or John Fogerty earn respect when they weigh in on matters of state policy. But in the tragic view, they can be little more than puppets of inspiration. Their natural gifts are not necessarily enriched by real education or learning. Indeed, they are just as likely to be high-school or college dropouts and near illiterates, albeit with good memories, voices, and looks. The present antics of these influential millionaire entertainers should remind us why Plato banished them — worried that we might confuse the inspired creative frenzies of the artisans with some sort of empirical knowledge. But you can no more sing, or write, or act al Qaeda away than the equally sensitive novelists and intellectuals of the 1930s or 1940s could rehabilitate Stalin.

And then there are the new green billionaires who no longer worry about the struggle to make any more money, much less about state, federal, and payroll taxes that can eat up half of a person's income. A George Soros may have made his pile by trying to destroy the British financial system, but now he wishes to leave the world safe for currency traders to come by defeating George Bush.  The up-from-the-bootstraps struggle to create the dough for the Heinz fortune is a century past and forgotten — thus the post-capitalist Teresa in her private jet and John Kerry on his $500,000 power boat can lecture us about Americans' shameless oil profligacy and George Bush's blood for oil gambit in Iraq.

Our mainstream media also cannot quite believe we are at war with evil people who wish us dead — something like the crises that have faced all
civilizations at one time or another. Instead, to ponder Rathergate or the recent ABC memo advocating bias in its reporting is to fathom the arrogance of the Enlightenment, and the learned's frustration with those of us less-gifted folk who don't quite wish to follow where they lead us. Such anointed ones have taken on the burden of saving us from George Bush and his retrograde ideas. After all, who believes that anyone would really wish to reinstate a mythical caliphate, a Muslim paradise of sharia, gender apartheid, and theocracy spreading the globe through Islamic nukes and biological and chemical bombs? How one dimensional and unsophisticated.

Meanwhile most Americans have already quietly made up their minds. They think the Democratic party is run not by unionists, farmers, miners, truckers, and average folk, but by those rich enough not to have to make a living, and who wish out of either guilt or noblesse oblige to force the dumber upper middle class to be more sensitive, generous, or utopian. Americans also believe Europe has lost its way and is bogged down in a hopeless and soon-to-be scary task of legislating by fiat heaven on earth. We of the tragic persuasion wish them well with Turkey and their unassimilated Islamic populations, but we don't want our hurtful combat troops there after 60 years of subsidized peacekeeping.  Americans also don't care much about the Nobel prizes anymore — not when a Jimmy
Carter is praised after trying to undermine his own president on the eve of
war, and not when the most recent peace-prize winner rants on that AIDS is a Western-created germ agent unleashed to hurt Africa but silent about $15 billion in American aid to stop what her own continent is spreading.

John Kerry is probably going to lose this election, despite the "Vote for
Change" rock tour, despite Air America, despite Kitty Kelley's fraud hyped on national media, despite Soros's moveon.org hit pieces, despite Fahrenheit 9-11, despite the Nobel Prizes and Cannes Film Awards, despite Rathergate and ABC Memogate, despite the European press, despite Kofi Annan's remonstrations, despite a barking Senator Harkin or Kennedy, despite the leaks of rogue CIA Beltway insiders, despite Jimmy Carter's sanctimonious lectures, despite Joe Wilson, Anonymous, and Richard Clarke — and more. You all have given your best shot, but I think you are going to lose.

Why? Because the majority of Americans does not believe you. The majority is more likely to accept George Bush's tragic view that we really are in a war for our very survival to stop those who would kill us and to alter the landscape that produced them — a terrible war that we are winning.

When all is said and done, it still is as simple as that.

— Victor Davis Hanson is a military historian and a senior fellow at the
Hoover Institution at Stanford University. His website is victorhanson.com.

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« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2004, 08:27:51 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2004, 12:24:55 PM »
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What about the senate hearing committee that couldn't find a connection between saddam and al-Qiada? If the information exists why hasn't it hit mainstream media?.


My first inkling was to swear and get all mad but it won't solve anything.  You are either a person who is complacent to eat the bs the news feeds you, are a hopeless idieologue, or choose to not comtemplate the facts.

President Clinton believed Iraq had WMD's, Englands intelligence said they were there as well.  The FBI, CIA all believed that Iraq had WMD's.  Russias' intelligence said Iraq had WMD's, etc.  So for someone to blame Bush and claim he lied they are being intellectually dishonest.  Personally I'm tired of all this banter.  You can't ignore the facts when they don't support your views.  You must accept them and go from there.  Stop listening to guys like Terry McCaulife.  

I think this question was loaded on purpose to get a rise out of the members of this fourum.

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« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2004, 02:02:24 AM »
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I think this question was loaded on purpose to get a rise out of the members of this fourum.


No, xshooter is a "seminar caller" of the type that call Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh. They follow an script that always starts out with something that is supposed to ingratiate them to us poor stupid rednecks (as they see firearms owners) before they launch into the BS. Xshooter is not even particularly imaginative because he says he voted for Bush during the last election, right out of the mafifesto.

His (or her) total purpose for being here is to convince you to stay away from the polls as some kind of "protest" because he knows that this is a close election and a non-vote is a vote for the Waffle King.

The last election rested on under a thousand votes.

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2004, 10:05:29 AM »
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What about the senate hearing committee that couldn't find a connection between saddam and al-Qiada?


This statement is not true.  That Senate committee did not find active collaboration between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.  However, it is well known that al-Qaeda and other terrorist elements were given free passage and not disturbed by Saddam in their residence and activities in Iraq.  He knew they were there, he knew they were actively involved in terrorist activities and he did nothing to stop it or make them leave.  So, there was indeed a connection.

Saddam was also active in harboring and providing financial support to terrorists other than al-Qaeda.

He also tricked the world into believing (especially wanting Iran to believe it) that he still had stockpiles of WMD.  He defied 18 UN resolutions that called for him to disarm.  Just before the war he shipped out WMD to Syria.  He retained the capacity to produce WMD in the future, the facilities to do this have been found.  Hindsight is beautiful, but no one knew that he didn't have WMD; as a matter of fact there wasn't anyone who believed that he didn't.  Bush could not let him give this capability to terrorists.  It is little consolation that we didn't find WMD.  We couldn't take the chance there wasn't any, because all indications were that there was.
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2004, 10:44:32 AM »
This says it all for me....   Don't need any other reasons!   :D




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Wednesday, October 20th 2004





You’re a Republican???


In today’s America, ask a growing number of high school and college students; their teachers and professors; the self-anointed media elite and/or hard working men and women of all ethnicities, the question, “What is a Republican?”, and you’ll be told “… a rich, greedy, egotistical individual, motivated only by money and the desire to accumulate more and more of it, at the expense of the environment … the working poor ….and all whom they exploit…”

I am a Republican … I am none of those things… and I don’t know any Republicans who are.

WHAT I AM … first and foremost, is a loving husband of some 52 plus years, the father of four and an American who’s proud of his country… and his country’s heritage.

WHAT I AM … is the grandson of immigrants who risked everything, including their lives and those of their children, to escape tyranny in search of freedom.

WHAT I AM … is a man who grew up during the Depression and witnessed, first hand, the effects of the Stock Market crash and the soup lines that followed. I watched as both my parents and grand parents, who had very little themselves, share what food they had with a half dozen other families, who had even less.

WHAT I AM … is someone who worked his way through college by holding down three and four jobs at a time and then used that education to build a better life.

WHAT I AM … is a husband who, at age 24, started his own business for the “privilege” of working 60, 70 and 80 hours a week, risking everything I had, including my health, in search of a better life for myself and my loved ones.

WHAT I AM … is a businessman whose blood, sweat and tears…. and plenty of them…, made it possible for me to provide a secure living, not only for my family and myself, but also for literally hundreds of my employees throughout the years. Employees, who in turn, were able to buy their own homes, raise their own families and give back to their communities and their country.

WHAT I AM … is a man who believes in God; a God who has blessed this country… and all for which it stands.

WHAT I AM … is someone who knows, if you doubt miracles exist in today’s world, you need only to look into the face of those who received them … and the eyes of those who give them.

WHAT I AM … is an American who’s proud that his President embraces a belief in God; proud of a President who understands, as “politically incorrect” as it may be, there is evil in this world and for the security and safety of all freedom loving people everywhere, it must be confronted… and it must be defeated.

WHAT I AM … is an American who takes comfort in the knowledge that our President refuses to allow decisions concerning the very safety and security of this nation, to be governed by the political whims of foreign governments.

WHAT I AM … is tired of hearing from leading Democrats who see only negativity in America; racism in her people; class warfare in her society and “political incorrectness” in her character.

WHAT I AM … is a former democrat who now understands that it is the soldier and not the reporter that guarantees us our freedoms of press, speech and dissent.

WHAT I AM … is a man who believes in the sanctity of life. A man who is repulsed by the pandering of the political left for votes, at the expense of the unborn.

WHAT I AM … is a husband and father who believes in the sanctity of marriage and the preservation of the family unit.

WHAT I AM … is a movie go-er who is repulsed by those insecure, socially inept, elementary thinking, ego-inflated “entertainers” who have appointed themselves “experts” in the fields of national security and geo-politics and then use their forum to attack this nation, its leaders and its actions…. much to the delight and encouragement of our enemies.

WHAT I AM … is an American who understands the difference between “censorship” and “choice”. Evidently, these individuals do not, because when these same “celebrities” receive public ridicule for their offensive actions, the first thing they yell is “Censorship!”. What they seem incapable of understanding is… the right of free speech and dissent is shared equally by those offended… as well as those who offend. I support and will continue to support those films and performers whom I choose to … and refuse to support those I don’t. It is my right as an American … a right I will continue to enthusiastically exercise.

WHAT I AM … is a voter, tired of politicians, who, every time their voting records are subjected to public scrutiny, try to divert attention from their political and legislative failures by accusing their opponents of “attack ads” and “negative campaigning”…. and the news media who allow them to get away with it.

WHAT I AM … is a Catholic who loves his God and his Faith… and who’s been taught to respect all religions whose teachings are based in love, peace and charity. As such, I am embarrassed and ashamed of those individuals, in both private and public life, whose decisions and actions are devoid of any sense of character or morals; individuals who are only driven by what’s best for them … rather than what’s right … often times at the expense of many …. including our national security.

WHAT I AM … is a realist who understands that the terrorist attack that murdered hundreds of innocent Russian children could have occurred here, in our heartland. That’s why I sincerely believe America needs now, more than ever, a President who sees with a clear and focused vision and who speaks with a voice when heard by both friend and foe alike, is understood, respected and believed.

WHAT I AM … is eternally grateful to Ronald Reagan for having the bravery to speak out against Communism and the courage of his convictions in leading the fight to defeat it; and George W. Bush for the vision, courage, conviction and leadership he has shown in America’s war on terrorism amidst both the constant and vicious, personal and political attacks both he and his family are made to endure.

WHAT I AM … is a human being, full of numerous faults and failures, but a man nonetheless, who, though not always successful, has continually strived to do “what’s right” instead of “what’s easy”. A man who is challenging the religious leaders of all faiths, to not only preach to their congregations the fundamentals of “what’s right” and “what’s wrong”, but to also then hold them accountable for their actions in both the public and private sectors.

WHAT I AM … is disgusted with the Courts who, on one hand, call the murder of a pregnant woman a “double homicide” but then refer to the abortion of her baby as, “pro-choice”.

WHAT I AM … is someone deeply troubled by a political party which embraces a candidate whose primary “leadership” qualities center around his protesting of the Vietnam war and his labeling the honorable men and women who fought in it, (50,000 of whom gave their lives in that action), as rapists, and war criminals. That same political party then stepped forward this year to block the appearance of a true Vietnam war hero, retired Admiral and former United States Senator, Jeremiah Denton, (a man who spent seven years and seven torturous months in a North Vietnam prison), from speaking before an open session of the California legislature as part of that state’s 4th of July celebration. The reason Democrats gave for refusing to allow this American hero to speak before their state legislature was because of the “conservative” nature of his views. As an American, that troubles me deeply ….as well it should you.

WHAT I AM … is a man who feels the need to spend, $104, 655.60,(tax paid) of his own money, to purchase this advertisement, in order to set the story straight. Some may say this money would have been better spent feeding the world’s poor. At the risk of sounding self-serving, as an American and as a Republican, for the last six decades of my life, I have done exactly that… and more. Following the examples of my parents and grand parents, I have used my earnings to feed the poor, shelter the homeless, provide housing for the elderly and medical care for the sick….. and continue to do so… and I’m not alone in that work.

WHAT I AM … is someone who is paying for this announcement, at my sole expense, in hopes of opening the eyes of those led blindly by ill-informed elements of our great nation, who, through either ignorance, or malicious intent, repeatedly attack and belittle those of us who belong to a political party that holds true to the belief, “… the rights of the governed, exceed the power of the government”. For those interested, I am speaking only as a tax-paying individual who is in no way associated with The Republican National Committee, nor with any of its directors, or delegates.

WHAT I AM … is a man who understands, “the American way of life” is a message of self-empowerment for all.

WHAT I AM … is an American who is grateful that our nation gives each of us the opportunity of self-determination and the right to benefit from the fruits of self achievement.

WHAT I AM … is an American who wants to preserve that way of life for all who seek it.

WHAT I AM … is blessed to be an American…. and proud to be Republican.



George J. Esseff, Sr.
george@esseff-foundation.org


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« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2004, 09:35:14 AM »
Xshooter,

Sometimes going to the poll to vote can mean voting for the lessor of two evils. You say you won't vote for Kerry, then you should vote for Bush. Bush meets your criteria as a 2nd amendment supporter. Kerry does not. Kerry is an undiputed anti-gun senator of the highest degree.

I have become a one issue voter. I could care less about most all the other stuff. For me, all I want to know is were the candidate stands on the 2nd amendment & hunting rights.
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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2004, 04:23:32 AM »
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Xshooter,

Sometimes going to the poll to vote can mean voting for the lessor of two evils. You say you won't vote for Kerry, then you should vote for Bush. Bush meets your criteria as a 2nd amendment supporter. Kerry does not. Kerry is an undiputed anti-gun senator of the highest degree.

I have become a one issue voter. I could care less about most all the other stuff. For me, all I want to know is were the candidate stands on the 2nd amendment & hunting rights.


Unfortunately you are wasting your persuasion. Xshooter is a Kerry campaign or anti-gun shill who's only purpose was to convince members of this forum to stay away from the polls as a "protest" against the president. Anyone who buys this logic should ask themselves who will be hurt when they wake up Nov. 3.