Author Topic: 45-70 barrel length question (Read 767 times)

ratdz · « **on:** October 18, 2004, 05:33:30 AM »

Howdy, everybody.
I have a NEF with the 22" 45-70 barrel and am thinking of getting the buffalo classic barrel fitted to my reciever, and plan to fit it with flip up sights for some plinking out to 500 yards.
My question is this, I reload currently and have loads around 1850 fps in the 22" barrel, Can I shoot these from the buffalo barrel, or do I need to start lower and work up, just like when designing a load the first time?
I figured I would have to back down and work back up.
What is the fastest anyone has pushed a bullet from the buffalo classic barrel?
Just curious, not wanting exact loads, anything over 1800 fps with 405 gr. hits a little too hard for me.
Thanks for any replies.
Allen

Mac11700 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2004, 06:08:14 AM »

Welcome Aboard

Each rifle is different...and yes ...you should back off your loads and work them back up,having the highest velocity doesn't always mean the best accuracy and it may not be accurate in the other barrel at that velocity and since your handloading,you'll want to find the most accurate handload for that paticular barrel........if you find the load your shooting now is "hitting you too hard" then by all means reduce your load down to a more managable comfort level,and depending on what paticular load you have that will shoot those 405 grainers at 1850fps...they will probably run around 100-180 fps faster out of the Buffalo Classics longer barrel...as I said...depending on what load you using...

If you find the harder kicking loads really uncomfortable...you can always try adding weight to the stock by filling it with birdshot, or putting a mercury recoil suppressor in it.. installing a better recoil pad like the Simms Limbsaver...and adding sometype of a cheek protector pad to the stock...these things really help tame the recoil of the gun...and the percieved recoil to your face a great deal...and can extend you shooting time by a-lot...

Good Luck

Mac

ratdz · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2004, 06:18:34 AM »

I really enjoy shooting this gun. I really don't mind the recoil of my hunting loads, except at the bench.
I put a Pachmayer(sp?) recoil pad on it and it helped wonderfully.
Has anyone tried the limbsaver pad yet?
If so, what did you think of it compared to the pachmayer pad?
And also what part number of limbsaver pad did you use?
I have loaded this caliber with H-322 , Reloader 7 and Unique.
It seems that the H-322 has more pronounced recoil over the Reloader7 at the same velocity.
Is this possible?
Anyway, thanks for your input.
Allen

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2004, 06:33:51 AM »

I've got a Limbsaver grind to fit on my .45-70 with the laminated stock. With the better part of 2lbs of lead in the stock, shooting the heaviest load I have which is the win 300gr factory loads at ~1800fps, it's a real pussy cat from the bench. I have a Limbsaver on all my heavy kickers, they really help a lot. My 835 Ultimag shooting 3.5", 2.25oz turkey loads is a real shoulder brusier, but with the Limbsaver it's just tolerable. The .45-70 weighing in at close to 12lbs as I have it set up, I believe it will be tolerable to shoot from the bench up into the 350gr, 2300fps recoil area.... I hope! That's my goal, anyway. :wink:

Leftoverdj · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2004, 08:04:24 AM »

I'm gonna assume that you are shooting 50 grains of H322 behind that 405 to get those velocities. That's the only way I know you could do it with those powders. That's one of the rare exceptions to the start low and work up rule. When the same load is listed as minimum and maximum, as that load is in my Lee #2, you don't wanna mess around it. You use it as is.

And sure it thumps more, that's a faster load than any I see for Re-7.

I don't wanna find out how much it thumps a hundred faster and with the curved metal buttplate of a BC. That thing is likely to hurt.

Mac11700 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2004, 08:16:26 AM »

My Marlin 1895 GS weighs in at 9-1/4lbs. scoped.. Limbsaver pad..and cheek piece..and sling....add the extra 10 rounds to it I carry ...tops out right at 10lbs.

I used to be a Pachmayer pad fan...that was until I put a Limbsaver on it...what a big difference it makes...it is worth every penny I paid for it...add to that the Uncle Mike's neopreeme shell holder with a bit of foam under it...no more pain...no more bruisied shoulders...or sore jaw from getting slapped in the face on firing...I was able to shoot 120 rounds thru it from the bench last time out...and was extreamly pleased with it...it does roar...but it's very managable...and even more so from a standing position...and as heavy as it is...the way I have it set up...it still balences well between the hands...and carries well with the padded Super Sling I have on it...

Mac

ratdz · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2004, 08:36:23 AM »

Actually the data I have from the loadbook has H-322 powder up to 55gr.
I shoot 53 gr. 405 rem sp, win cases cci-200 primers and 2.54 oal. And yes it is a thumper, but very accurate, but not quite as accurate as 46gr of reloader 7 with same bullet. I can shoot 3 shots at 100 yards into 1" with that load.
Allen