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Offline West Creek Charlie

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Lube Groove Size
« on: October 27, 2004, 06:08:11 AM »
Hey Veral

I would like to hear your thoughts on the size of lube grooves. I shoot mostly 45 colt in pistols and a rifle. I have one of your 45 WFN molds with one lube groove. I have a 44 280 GC that has one lube groove. Most rifle bullets I see have multiple lube grooves. Looking at some of the older black powder designs such as the Lyman 454190 45 colt pistol bullet has two lube grooves.

Loading black powder loads for my 45 colt is one of my projects in the works. So far the couple attempts have yielded little success.

A friend of mine shoots 44-40 filler load under a 205 gr hard cast two lube groove bullet lubed with a commercial blue lube - not LBT blue I forget the name. His loads shoot extremely clean with little fowling. This is my goal with the black powder loads.

I have been curious about what effects lube groovs have on the results and was wondering what your thoughts are on it. I dont recall much if any discussion in your book about it.

Has anyone informed you of their results using black powder and your bullets? I was thinking of using the 250 45 wfn and black powder but the small lube groove makes me wonder what kind of results I can expect.
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Lube Groove Size
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2004, 07:51:01 AM »
Lube groove depth is not a factor with black powder, or plainbase with smokeless.  Also, gas checked bullets are not confined to only smokeless loads.  They do wonders with black powder also.  However, when bullets are designed for blackpowder, AND USED WITH THE PROPER LUBRICANT, the low velocities produced with black, and the lubrication value of the blackpowder soot COMBINED WITH A LUBE THAT KEEPS IT SOFT AND SLIPPERY, gas checks aren't needed.

    Unless told that a bullet will be used for black powder, I set them all up for smokeless.  Many LBT bullets, reguardless of nose profile work great with black powder, but those with minimum lube space don't.

    The key to black powder performance is to get lead off the barrel with lots of lube groove space (not depth).  Any reasonable groove depth is fine so long as it is deeper than the rifling grooves.   Some people have reported excellent results using LBT Blue Soft lubricant with black powder, but I don't reccomend it for that.  The best black powder lubricants I've heard of are called Wonder Lube, which is a trademark name, but marketed under several labels.  I think Ox Yoke the is manifacturer of all of them, but may be wrong on that.   If the label says it is for black powder and it is called Wonder Lube, it is the right stuff.

    Try what ever LBT bullet you have with this lube and black powder.  If you get fouling, try softening the alloy.  But hard alloys are best, same as with smokeless, if the bullet fits the gun properly.

    If you order a mold from LBT with intentions of using it for black, tell me when you order and I'll set it up right.  It will work fine with smokeless too.   --- If you don't ask, it may not work well with Black powder
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