Author Topic: Antigun Republicans for 2008 (Read 1138 times)

crazyjjk · « **on:** November 04, 2004, 05:36:33 AM »

I know 2004 election is just over but it seems like a lot of Republicans who are antigun are lining up for a bid at 2008. I see George Pataki and Rudy the ex NY City mayor and John McCain. Any thoughts on this?

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #1 on:** November 04, 2004, 07:44:13 AM »

Oh boy, looks like we're gonna have to go third party then, huh? :-D

Graybeard · « **Reply #2 on:** November 04, 2004, 08:58:55 AM »

Yeah I got some thoughts and they are sure not good. Sadly I see little but doom and gloom beyond the George W. Bush Presidency.

I honestly don't see anyone beating out Billary for the democrap nomination. Oh many will try but I just don't think they'll make it. Any who get too close will likely end up with a sudden heart attack or die in a small plane crash. Lots of history of that sorta thing ya know.

Today I see no likely Republican candidate who is capable of beating her at the polls come election day in 2008. I sure hope someone steps forward in the next three years but they sure are gonna hafta come from nowhere to do it.

Billiary will take the vote of the vast majority of women, blacks, hispanics, all the gays and lesbians, all the folks living on government handouts, all the illegals and criminals they can get registered to vote in time. The unions will support her and like sheeple the union members will in masse with but limited exceptions do as told. Almost all educators will do as told and vote for her. The young and ignorant will support her.

While 3.5 million of roughly 110 million is not an insignificant number of folks to have voted for Bush over Kerry you have to take it in context. We had a man of high moral principles running for re-election. A man who's strong stance against terrorism helped him much. Next time we'll have no such person unless Cheney actually does step forward and run. The Republican will not have the decided advantage of being an encumbent. He won't have had the lime light exposure a sitting President has.

God help us I just don't see much good coming from the next Presidential election. I fully expect it to be the beginning of the end of the US and all it stands for. Complacency and immorality will likely win out. We'll be stuck with 8 years of it in the highest office in the land. Well no I guess we likely won't. Because before those 8 years are up they will have handed the US off to the UN and we'll be ruled by a bunch of panty waisted liberals from offshore and the blue hat brigade.

Guys if America don't wake up soon it's gonna be too late. If the country as a whole continues to turn it's back on God like it has been doing the past 40 years then HE will turn his back on us too. Me thinks we're nearing those end times.

dawei · « **Reply #3 on:** November 04, 2004, 11:10:09 AM »

Graybeard: I have to agree with you whole heartedly. As for me & my house we will serve the Lord.

If I have to pack up bag & baggage; wife, pets, guns & ammo I will. I may be somewhere in the Olympics or a Mountain Top in Idaho but I will NEVER SUBMIT TO UN RULE.

I'm not some "Right-Wing Wacko Militiaman"; but, I will defend me & mine.

I TRULY BELIEVE I'LL HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS FROM GBO ON THAT MOUNTAIN WITH ME.

After almost 22years in the Army, VietNamx2, Panama, & Grenada; time as a cop; having been shot 3 times & lived; I'm not scared. Death doesn't scare me because I'll be with so many friends from GBO in Heaven! I'll be more than happy to sign up for a hitch in the Lord's Army.

While I did not; and do not, agree with David Koresh or Randy Weaver's view, all they wanted to do was be left alone. I don't think such a thing will ever happen while George W. Bush & John Ashcroft are at the helm. After that who knows?

JPSaxMan · « **Reply #4 on:** November 04, 2004, 11:45:19 AM »

Wow. Impressive service Dave, impressive. Sounds like ur prolly not scared of much.

:-D

Mikey · « **Reply #5 on:** November 04, 2004, 12:07:03 PM »

Graybeard - there is hope in sight but it's difficult to envision. George Pataki, the NYS Governor, won't ever make it to the White House. Personally I like the guy but he is a wimp and would lose a campaign faster than Mike Dukakis would have lost against G.W. He simply does not have 'presidential appeal' no matter how well he handled his 9/11 responsibilities. Maybe a VP under a much stronger (appeal wise) presidential candidate but not by himself.

Rudy Guillani ain't ever gonna see the White House either unless it's as a VP candidate. About the best use for Rudy is to get hillary out of the picture. Her re-election comes along in 2 years and Rudy could easily stay visible for that length of time now that G.W. is re-elected. That would enable Rudy to look to taking hillary's senate seat and I believe he could do it. You won't ever find a female Republican candidate who could stoop lower than hillary has, but Rudy could take her out easily. Then let him spend a couple of years in the senate, run for Governor which he could probably get and back fill his senate seat with another Republican to continue to counter schumer, who needs to be countered, and then he would be suitable for a possible VP nomination.

In the interim, frau klinton would have been out of public office for two years and more out of the limelight than ever before - that would cost her a lot in terms of her supporters and I think she would eventually disappear faster than her husband has. Bush' re-election is gonna shut him up (them both up) for a while, I hope.

So, that's where I see NY politics going, or would hope that's where it would go. Hope anyhow. Just a couple of cents worth here. Mikey.

Graybeard · « **Reply #6 on:** November 04, 2004, 12:35:28 PM »

I would certainly agree with you that taking her out of the office she holds would do much to hurt her chances at the Presidency. In politics it's really hard to come back from a defeat. The folks just lose their confidence in their winning again after a major loss.

But honestly I don't think Rudy can do it. Sure I'd love to see him do it and would be for him against her in a heart beat. However over all I don't see either Rudy or Pataki as friends of gun owners or the US Constitution from what little I know of them from down here in the deep south. I'd not be comfortable with either in the White House.

Right now I'm not sure who could move in and do a good job. I have a lot of confidence in Richard Shelby but honestly I don't see him having a chance at winning even if he ran. No one from Bama has ever been there. We just don't have the elctoral votes it takes to be in first or second chair really. He would win the south solidly as he is out kinda guy. But he's not a winner out side the south I don't think. For sure I'd not be able to support McCain. I personally do not even consider him a Republican except in name only. Not in action and deed.

Wish I saw a bright and shining star on the horizon ready to take up the Republican mantle next time around. I almost hoped Cheney would step down to allow us to have a younger person ready to run from the VP office but he didn't. I like him and would support him personally even at his age and health IF he had a good solid VP behind him, just in case. Heck I'd support Rumsfeld and Ashcroft either or both but don't see them being able to win.

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #7 on:** November 04, 2004, 12:55:03 PM »

I really believe the "Two Sacker" will be out in two years,to much baggage.As to the next candidate,I don;t think we see him yet.Rudy would make a VP at the highest.

Buffnstuff · « **Reply #8 on:** November 04, 2004, 01:52:49 PM »

The next Republican presidential candidate is Mitt Romney. We knew that when the 2002 Olympics were over.

That's why he went back to Massachusetts to run for Governor. He knew he couldnt make the leap to president from any political position in Utah.

The fact that he is very republican and won in the most liberal state in the nation is an indicator of his charisma and ability to reach democrats.

briarpatch · « **Reply #9 on:** November 04, 2004, 03:26:42 PM »

I think Mitt Romney will be the best chance for 08 but in the next four years I believe hillary will vote for a lot of issues that we think are moderate or conservative to make the populace think she is a born again moderate. She will be hard to beat. a wolf in sheep clothing.

huntsman · « **Reply #10 on:** November 04, 2004, 03:38:41 PM »

I wish I could say that the Lone Star State could produce another winner besides the Bush family, but I don't see one down here. Gov. Rick Perry isn't going anywhere soon and Senator Kay Bailey Hutchinson is not going to be the first woman president. Nationally, I could see Colin Powell making a strong run, and I like his diplomacy skills, but I don't know a thing about where he stands on issues outside of Bush's administration. I don't think he wants to run anyway.

I think we may see a relative newcomer emerge similar to the way Bush did four years ago. I think people are more likely to accept someone who hasn't been part of the congressional turmoil and can offer some fresh thinking.

Arkie-06 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 04, 2004, 04:52:21 PM »

What about Jeb Bush and J.C. Watts ? I'd vote for them. :grin:

IntrepidWizard · « **Reply #12 on:** November 04, 2004, 04:55:05 PM »

Ahnald will be able to run with the up and coming 20 year citizen rule.

Graybeard · « **Reply #13 on:** November 04, 2004, 05:53:10 PM »

Storming Norman has been out of the lime light a long time but I think he could garner a lot of support for a run at it. I've never even heard the name Mitt Romney before I read it tonight here. Who the heck is that?

dawei · « **Reply #14 on:** November 04, 2004, 07:18:50 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard

Storming Norman has been out of the lime light a long time but I think he could garner a lot of support for a run at it. I've never even heard the name Mitt Romney before I read it tonight here. Who the heck is that?

Mitt Romney is the REPUBLICAN Governor of LEFT-WING, LIBERAL, Massachusetts.

williamlayton · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2004, 02:01:50 AM »

There is time, folks, for both parties to reposition themself.
Hopefully the Dems will come more to the center and become the OLD consevative Democratic party. If that would happen Ms Clinton would have need of another party----BUTTTT, put a mirrow under my nose---I am not holding my breath.
The Republicans have a few folks they will put in the spotlight in the next couple of years to see how public reaction is towards them. Kinda like a TV series aint it. Do a pilot an see if enough folks like it.
Patience folks, tha fat lady aint begun to sing on this one yet.
Blessings

MSP Ret · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2004, 02:05:24 AM »

Thats right Mitt Romney is our beloved conservative Republican governor here in this liberal bastion of Massachusetts, and he is hated by the dems and liberals but loved and respected by we christian, right wing conservative Republicans. He has stood tall and proud before all the liberal bums against gay marriage, told all liberal town clerks if they issued gay marraige licenses in violation of state law he would remove them from office or have them arrested!. It is our liberal state Supreme Court and democratic gun hating Attorney General that has allowed some of the homosexual marriages, regardless of what the Gov. and the people have demanded. He has called for and still demands the resignation of John Kerry as our (

) senator!!! Mitt Romney would make a great conservative candidate against that full of bile Billary!!!....<><.... :grin:

Mikey · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2004, 03:33:23 AM »

Bill - Rudy can defeat hillary - no problem. If G.W. urges him to the Senate, hillary is history. If later, after a yr or so in the Senate G.W urges Rudy or if George Pataki urges Rudy to the Governor's mansion, he will get it.

Rudy is nothing more than a former NYC cop and democrat. He was just the mayor of NYC when the schmidt hit the fan and that enhanced his public image and made him more favorable than hillary. Even if Rudy does eventually get into Albany he knows that it is upstate who funds NYC and where his loyalty has to lay. If he gets in otherwise he will simply be a lame duck from day one and his tenure will be both unproductive and not conductive to futher public office. He knows this to. So, I'm hoping he will take hillary out and play the senate game for a while - then, who knows.

As for the next President - G.W. needs to start grooming a replacement. Hopefully. Mikey.

.45 COLT · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2004, 08:09:00 AM »

I don't live in NY any more, but I still talk to a lot of them. They're all saying about what Mikey says, Hillary is real vulnerable. Doesn't have a real big following. Giuliani could whip her in 2006 (hopefully) and drop her right out of politics.

unspellable · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2004, 08:29:30 AM »

How about Condi? A bit light on having held office and I don't really know what her politics are, but I bet she'd give Hillary a run.

Shorty · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2004, 02:54:20 PM »

Write this down: George Allen, Republican senator from Virginia.
'Nuff said. :wink:

williamlayton · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2004, 12:38:46 AM »

Mikey-
Not to start an arguement or a flame war, however.
GW will not call the shots when another candidate is hired. GW was hired by the Republican party as Kerry was hired by the Dems.
Those smokey rooms of old hire them boys.
LOVE and Blessings

brown-trout · « **Reply #22 on:** November 06, 2004, 03:26:03 PM »

gw was picked for the following.....
Name recognition
Lack of real record , negative or otherwise (one term as TX gov )
Brought along a bunch of Electoral College votes (TX=34, or 12.5% of 270)

Im sure the GOP could have picked a better guy, but a "better" guy might not have won in 2000 or 2004.

just my 2 cents.

BT

Dusty Miller · « **Reply #23 on:** November 08, 2004, 08:20:41 AM »

Somebody mentioned Colin Powell. Powell is anti-gun. However, I've got high hopes for Condelice Rice, but she needs time to get back to the PRC and win a US Senate seat and that's a tough sell because Comrade Feintstien is a formidable candidate. The timing is not good. I'm hoping Bush will appoint her to the Secretary of State post so she'll have a much higher profile than National Security Advisor. Maybe she could unseat Barbara Boxer in six years and run in 2012. Time will tell.