First post, and a liberal too!

[jh45gun]

I too am against abortion,  but lets be honest about this womens
   "choice" thing.   how often does a man tell a woman he loves her
    gets up there,  gets her pregnant,  then can't handle it,  and leaves
    her.   I think that is immoral also.   Its  not the financial thing.
    I was a 24 year old young man who raised an 8 month old boy alone
    for  3 years !!   it was more difficult than any job I have done.  I am
    retired US  ARMY.

 

It takes two to tango even if the guy leaves she should have the responsibility of at least birthing the child. Now days it just seems to be a convenient way to "correct a mistake" Bull crap was it a mistake when she was there at conception? Millions of childless couples would love to have a new born and these selfish folks just waste the lives a way because of convenience! Yea  I have heard the rape thing ect but even so some one would love to take the child. To be honest even if the mother is in danger I find it hard to accept abortion but then that I guess would be the families choice and they would have to live with it.

[NYH1]

Liberal Democraps hate guns....liberals hate anyone except themselves who own guns....liberals think they are above any laws that they get passed concerning guns....or.. effects everyone else except themselves when it comes to owning or carrying concealed guns....liberal Democraps have done more to destroy the correct meaning of the 2nd Admendment than anyother party in the History of the United States....


Mac

In my local liberal newspaper, they had an article just before the election about the two candidates and guns they like or have.
 
President Bush said his favorite "gun" is his Weatherby Shotgun. I think it was an over and under. He uses it to hunt on his ranch down there in Crawford, Texas.

John Kerry said his favorite "gun" is the M16, he said he doesn't own an M16 or AR15, bit it was his favorite "gun" of all time.
 Now it gets better!!! John Kerry said he "currently has" a Chinese made SKS assault rifle. This is the same person that is in favor of the Clinton assault weapons ban. How in the H*LL can you be against something if you yourself own the same thing?

[boondocker]

I too am tired of all the system riders. I am not college educated nor do I pretend to be.  I am 47 yrs old and work for 34 of them. Sometimes 2 jobs. Everything I own I earned, never looked for handouts. I hurt daily and just keep on pluggin away. I drive to work and pass these 4the gen blood suckers still sleeping and when I come home they are out riding their quads and snowmobiles.  The one couple 24 yrs old and 6 kids had the kids taken away for the filth and scummy living conditions. Can afford quads but not cleaning supplies and are to lazy to clean.  Poor people can be clean.  Yes I want to pay more taxes for these bums ( No thank you).  Get them out picking litter ,cleaning ditchs.  This is the dummycraps main voting source they think. Maybe if they are handing out cheese at the polling booths these people wont even have the ambition to vote.  My education is real world consevative  seeing and thinking and not hollyweird fantasy liberal crap.  
 
 Armed men are citizens and unarmed are subjects.

[Dali Llama]

restrictions, like concealed carry of handguns and the assault weapons ban have valid arguments on both sides of the fence.

Dali Llama say he vehemently disagree, and opine that there are no "valid arguments" against such weaponry that can withstand literal interpretation and application of Second Amendment. :twisted:  :twisted:  :x  :evil:

[badbo]

restrictions, like concealed carry of handguns and the assault weapons ban have valid arguments on both sides of the fence.

Dali Llama say he vehemently disagree, and opine that there are no "valid arguments" against such weaponry that can withstand literal interpretation and application of Second Amendment. :twisted:  :twisted:  :x  :evil:

Dali Llama,
Help me understand your position with regard to the 2nd Amendment.  There are no qualifications written in the text of the 2nd Amendment, so wouldn't a literal reading of it mean that a person should be allowed to own and arm any weapon,  up to and including an M1 tank, without restriction?   I did not say that I'm against all concealed carrying of handguns and I'm very skeptical of the assault weapons ban.  However, every Constitutional right has its gray area where individual rights and the public good are balanced.  If you disagree with me, that 's fine, but where do you think the limitation should be?

[badbo]

Yea  I have heard the rape thing ect but even so some one would love to take the child. To be honest even if the mother is in danger I find it hard to accept abortion but then that I guess would be the families choice and they would have to live with it.

J45Gun,
For the sake of argument, pretend that one day you got a notification from a hospital that there was a critically ill patient who needed a bone marrow transplant, and that you were the only person in the world whose DNA was a close enough match to save them.  They went on to say that because of this, if you declined to volunteer for this extremely painful and potentially dangerous operation, that they would obtain a court order to force you to.

I assume that you'd agree to donate your bone marrow to save a life, but do you think that the state should be able to compel you to against your will?

How does this scenario differ from the case of a rape victim who finds herself pregnant, other than the greater danger to the pregnant woman?

[Graybeard]

Bo, and yes indeed to this point you have been BAD, you started here ten days ago with this:

Hi folks,

First, let me tell you how much I've enjoyed this forum for the last couple of months. I've been doing a lot of research lately on hunting rifles and searches on these forums have always yielded knowledgeable, insightful advice from a very supportive community. After enjoying some antelope meat that a friend shared with me, and as I look forward to the possibility of moving west next spring, I've been excitedly reading all of your posts regarding NEF/H&R rifles, mods, calibers and loads. Fantastic stuff. Handi in a .270 is the current frontrunner I think.

A lead in designed to convince us you are "one of us" and a gun owner and hunter. But after ten days you've not typed one single word to prove it. You've not asked a single question of anyone regarding "NEF/H&R rifles, mods, calibers and loads." You've asked no questions regarding your "possibility of moving west next spring".

Sir I think you a fake and a fraud. I posted awhile back your time here was running short. Now it runs even shorter and will soon run out. If you're here only to be a liberal dumocrap instigator you're soon gonna find there is no place here for such. If you're only interest is in political discussion and argument then move it to that forum. If your interest is really as stated up front then began showing it soon before time runs out.

[IntrepidWizard]

Like most Liberals Bo,you are to abstruse to hold a conversation with,you just do not live in the REAL WORLD!

[badbo]

Sir I think you a fake and a fraud. I posted awhile back your time here was running short. Now it runs even shorter and will soon run out. If you're here only to be a liberal dumocrap instigator you're soon gonna find there is no place here for such. If you're only interest is in political discussion and argument then move it to that forum. If your interest is really as stated up front then began showing it soon before time runs out.

GB, if you feel like you need to ban me then that's your call.  I've said earlier that I've learned a lot from the NEF forums, and because I've had the courtesy to search the archives for answers rather than retread old territory, I've been silent where I've been content to listen.  If I am banned, this will continue to be the first site I check for firearms-related questions.

If your intent for this particular forum is to provide an echo chamber and support group for conservatives, then that is entirely your prerogative, and if anyone had ever said as much I'd have gone away quietly.  But since that is not in any policy that I've read, since several people have written in some agreement with me, and others have engaged me in actual discussion of issues, I've posted honestly, thoughtfully and respectfully.

You may have chosen to diregard your own rules regarding courtesy on this forum, but I never have.  You and others claim I hate the Constitution while it is you who discourages free speech.  It is a respect for vigorous debate and a plurality of ideas that informs our Constitution and defines the separation of powers in our government, yet you seem to regard even the intimation of dissent as treason.  If you do not want me to post further politically, ask and I will go quietly.

"The clergy...believe that any portion of power confided to me [as President] will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly: for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion."
-- Thomas Jefferson to Benjamin Rush, 1800. ME 10:173

[IntrepidWizard]

No brass ring Bo,you quote and state half truths and do not tell us what you personally think,like your buddy Skeery ,you have a plan,speak in tongues,misquote ,misconstrue ---about the same as the Alphabet News.

[ironglow]

Badbo;
  A child is much more than "bone marrow".
  Rape is an evil crime..and the perpetrator should be punished.
   
  So a baby has for 50% it's parents, an ugly rapist...the other 50% is a rapist's victim....

   Does this mean that theat little boy or girl should face capital punishment and be liquidated, for what 50% of their parents did?

  One person that is benefitted by the "kill the rape baby"
mentality is the incestuous child molester...they can wipe out their crime by ordering the frightened child to undergo such "surgery".

     Since the baby's parts are sold indiscriminately, for big money, to labs...should an adult incest victim complain, there is no DNA evidence to coroborate their word...

   I heard on a radio program the other night that some dirty old men have forced their victims to have 3 or 4 abortions through their teen years..
 
     The abortuary operators aid and abet such brutes by never saying a word to the authorities...their dirty little money making secret...

   SELAH.......


   Selah...means..."think about that!".

[VTDW]

Hmmm,

I see Mr. Badbo chooses to read and interpret what he wants to in the latest post from Bill to him.  Am I wrong or did Bill ask him to take his posts to the political forum since they have not been gun related and of a political nature?  Or did I read into Bill's post what I wanted to.

Dave

p.s.  I really do not appreciate the thinly veiled attempts at proselytizing. :x

[powderman]

badbo. Gun control is being able to hit your target. If you, me, my neighbor,or my brother, wants to own multiple machine guns, as long as they do not misuse them, I see nothing wrong with that. Assault weapon is another dumcrap liberal term meant to strike fear in those not knowledgeable about firearms. Gun laws are designed to restrict the law abiding, not the criminal. If the dumcraps were serious about reducing crime they would insist on punishing those who misuse guns, not the law abiding. They  would insist on enforcing the thousands of laws we now have. Eliminate repeat offenders by keeping the punks locked up, or execute them instead of insisting that my tax dollars support the persistent felony offender. Too many murders and other crimes are committed each year by convicted felons put back on the streets by libs and panty waist judges. These punks get free medical care, 3 meals a day, their clothes, cable tv, new shoes, and have NO BILLS to pay. If they want chunky peanut butter instead of smooth, the lawsays the taxpayer must provide a lawyer for the punk to sue the state, this actually happened here in Ky.
Take care of the punks, but leave the rest of us alone with our legally obtained guns.
I don't even have cable tv, can't afford it. I work every day but still struggle to make ends meet. I can't afford insurance and am still paying a bunch each month for bypass surgery 15 months ago, again with no insurance. Had I committed a crime first my bills would have been paid, and I'd probably be out of jail by now.
I have enough troubles without paying for those who break the law. Punish the criminal, not me. POWDERMAN.

[RIFLERANGER]

If your intent for this particular forum is to provide an echo chamber and support group for conservatives, then that is entirely your prerogative, and if anyone had ever said as much I'd have gone away quietly.  

 


More than one of us has told you that this is a conservative oriented forum.

Now go away quietly.

Surely there are liberal websites that would serve you better.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech as much as it has to do with like minded men bound by similar beliefs, morals, and convictions on this particular forum.

While we may disagree from time to time on certain items, we still share a core of beliefs that do not swing as far left as your ideals are located.

Good bye.

Ranger

[Mac11700]

Hey Boo...

If your intent for this particular forum is to provide an echo chamber and support group for conservatives, then that is entirely your prerogative, and if anyone had ever said as much I'd have gone away quietly. But since that is not in any policy that I've read, since several people have written in some agreement with me, and others have engaged me in actual discussion of issues, I've posted honestly, thoughtfully and respectfully.

No....I'm afraid not...you cannot be a liberal democrate...and believe in the constitution as it is written.....You cannot be a friend to gun owners and be a Liberal Democrate...

This is not an Echo chamber...or a support group for any conservative...albeit...most conservatives agree with most which is posted here...most of us...don't beleive in baby murdering....most of us...believe in just about everything that the rest of the country's conservatives believe in.....and that is ...God...Country...Family....we can't help it if you put your faith into a political party that believs in everything unholy


You say you would hope that we can respect your veiwpoints and discuss things like an adult without all the name calling and such....sorry...that only happens when a person truely honest.....and I can say with all certainy...I have never met a Honest Liberal Democrate in my entire life....therefore...you will never be treated with any courtesy from me...I believe you are a liar and a  troll..whose only purpose is to stir up contoversy....and when you said this

You may have chosen to diregard your own rules regarding courtesy on this forum, but I never have. You and others claim I hate the Constitution while it is you who discourages free speech. It is a respect for vigorous debate and a plurality of ideas that informs our Constitution and defines the separation of powers in our government, yet you seem to regard even the intimation of dissent as treason. If you do not want me to post further politically, ask and I will go quietly.

....I knew for a fact you were...only a Troll would taunt the owner into disabling your account...(people aren't banned here.).....just so you can run back to another site and cry about it....that's what you really want isn't it???

Oh...by the way...I don't think anyone said you hated the constituion...what I said about any Liberal Democrate was this

see them and reconize them for what they truely are...... LIARS AND SUBVERTERS OF THE CONSTITUTION...... they are so-much easier to deal with once you do.....

There's a big difference...but then...you are what you are...so...if you need a invatation to leave quitely...here it is....I hereby invite you to leave...


Mac

[Greybeard]

Bye bye badboy. We're enjoyed your august presences long enough. You have no interest in guns only in spewing forth liberal dumocrap babble.

For the record:

This site is here for folks who love guns. For folks who love hunting. For folks who love fishing. For folks who love trapping. For folks who enjoy camping and hiking and in general being in the outdoors. It is by and large inhabited by conservatives because they are by and large the folks who enjoy the things this site is here for.

This site is most assuredly NOT here for anyone who hates those things listed above. It is not here to be a platform for liberal dumocrap propaganda. It will NOT be used to spread hate and discontent. It will not be used to try to convince us we're wrong about guns or the US Constitution by liberals who hate all it stands for.

Freedom of speech has nothing to do with it. This site is privately owned and the members are invited guests here. Guests who can stay or go as they chose so long as their values and belief systems are consistent with the normal values and beliefs of folks who love the things this site stands for. Those who disrupt things, are trouble makers in general or who are here just to spread liberal dumocrap illogic will find it not a place for them. Here you do not have any Consitutional right to spout liberal garbage to those who have no wish to hear it. We're not looking for a common ground with you. There is no common ground. There is no compromise when one side does all the taking and the other all the giving. That's what liberals want of us.

Had you chosed to join the dialogue on gun and hunting related issues and still wanted to talk politics we'd have put up with you for you're being a gun owner and supporter. But you've chosen not to do that. So you're no longer a member here. If you have an interest in a site where some folks talk about guns but it is run by folks just like yourself I'll be happy to guide you to them. It's even owned and run by a rag head and yet has all the appearance of being an American site complete with flags and eagles. It seems to exist more to cut down America and American's than anything and the sad part is many of those cutting the worse are American citizens.

[De41mag]

Amen, Greybeard, Amen.

[jh45gun]

Thanks Bill, when the garbage begins to stink you just have to take out the trash.

[Mac11700]

Thanks Boss...those types just don't get it...and they think their the smarter ones......duhhhhhhh  
 
Mac

[RIFLERANGER]

Bless you GB, I'd have ousted him sooner.
Better late than never, I suppose.
Ranger

[Greybeard]

I like to give a fellow all the rope he needs to hang himself. I saw the writing on the wall with his first post but gave him plenty of opportunity to proof he really belonged here. As expected he didn't.

[MSP Ret]

Thanks for your convictions and strength of character to stand by them GB. Thats why I enlisted after high school and why I put another 32 years in uniform after my Honorable Discharge. The right to tell the truth and not have to be politically correct and listen to that left wing, democratic, socialist crap...I, one of many, applaud you!...Carry On!!!....<><.... :grin:

[doc_kreipke]

In fantasy lore, trolls regenerate unless you cut off their heads. Thanks for decapitating this one.  

[NYH1]

Way to go Boss!  :-D

[ironglow]

THumbs up!...thanks GB..

[Glanceblamm]

I have read through these pages at least three times now and think that this problem was handled very well. Political discussion on this has always been hard for me because of rage.Wasn't always like this. Can remember laughing at these people, then being bewildered and heart-sick when they got a foot hold. This turned to rage but I was smart enough to realize that this is exactly what the media wanted to see. Didn't really know how to fight these?Americans? (Are they Americans?) which fueled my rage even more.
I would like to thank everyone for insights gained. Special thanks to Mac11700 for tempering my rage and making these liars much easier to deal with.
   
 

This is the way the so-called moderate liberals operate...I have to deal with their kind everyday...they insist upon being civil...and by doing so...their goal is to take away the individuals means of expression,while at the same time subvert it to their own agenda...by..be-littling him on a intelectual level if he shows anger...it's a trap they play you see...if they can get you to listen to their lies,mistrurths,misinformation, without showing any emotion,they know thier doctren is working...they win...and if you do show any emotion or anger...they can sit back and mock you for that...they seem to think it's beneath them and that their level of reasoning is so superiour to anyone elses...they say things like...".too bad...we tried to reason with him....but he just wouldn't be civil about it....." it's a lose-lose situation until everone knows it for what it truely is...ERRRRRRRRRR  that just burns my butt having to deal with them....you'll see what I mean...this one either will continue his tactic of only answering the statements that attack his personality without defending his party or he will simple leave...you see...most resonable peoples apithy is to live and let live...these are the ones who are most likly to be targeted by his type...those are the ones who can be easily manipulated...but I know his and his party plans...and I certanly know his tactics...and I'll call them as I see them...these are the scouts...the Democrates send out to sow their seeds of discord amonst us...see them and reconize them for what they truely are...... LIARS AND SUBVERTERS OF THE CONSTITUTION...... they are so-much easier to deal with once you do.....


Mac

[Dali Llama]

Can remember laughing at these people, then being bewildered and heart-sick when they got a foot hold.

Dali Llama say he suppose that glanceblamm refer to liberals when he say "these people"?  If so, Dali say he concur, as their ideas at first be so ridiculous that it appear impossible they will change things, then somehow they always seem to get enough sheeple to follow them...    

[Mac11700]

glanceblamm:

Your welcome...another thing you will always here a liberal say to entrap you in a conversation is this" In a polite society...."This has been a staple of their manipulation tatics since the earliest Aristocaratic society has been in power thru out Europe...it is to this doctrine...that the majority of Liberal demoncrates cling to...it is what gives them their sense of superiorty...and you will always find them around any center of higher learning...this is the crowd they want to manipulate the most...not the "Common Man" ...one just has to look at merry old England's style of government to see it in full action today...and to look at their social-economic problems to see that when allowed to run unchallenged and unchecked by apithy...the situation can happen here...without out the hope of correcting the situation...people will loose site of the true meaning of the constitution...and what our forfathers died for to uphold..." We hold these truths ...." this was very plain then...and with the Liberals today...the truth is the last thing they want shoved back in their face...it is the one thing that can cast a light on their lies and subversions..to show the rest just how ugly they really are....


Mac

[Mac11700]

TM7:

Several times before...

Mac

[Glanceblamm]

Dali Llama say he suppose that glanceblamm refer to liberals when he say "these people"?

Dali
Yes, Exactly! Their audacity is alarming!...Even more so is the S for B people who will follow them. (Lets Ban Hunting And Create A Kinder, Gentler society)  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:
I seriously believe that the Liberals are a chromosome short.

Thanks Again Mac
While I am a registered voter and voted for the right man I have to admit that I have done little else.
I think it is time to start challenging some of the statements I am seeing on TV or reading about in the newspaper. You guys have been great mentors taking away feelings of helplessness and giving me some hope back. :grin: