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Offline flintski

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« on: November 12, 2004, 03:33:15 PM »
Just bought another Lyman 450 lubersizer but it sure don't look like the other one that I have.  This one says 450 on the side just like the first one but the TOP pressure thingy has a copper sleave instead of the O-ring that keeps the lube in and under pressure.  This one seems to work okay but it bleeds some lube up pass the copper sleave.  I really like the other one with the o-ring, I wonder if I get in touch with Lyamn if I could buy a new pressure ring???
Any thoughts on what I have, maybe a earlier model or something.
thanks in advance....ttfn flintski
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2004, 05:27:28 PM »
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Yeah they're happy to SELL you anything. Trouble is they don't seem too willing to warranty anything when it goes bad. Lyman is the ONE company in the entire industry that just refuses to stand behind their products. Real shame as I really like a lot of their stuff. But they really need to back it like everyone else does.


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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2004, 01:30:40 AM »
I had a 450 that went in the garbage. The lube ooozed out of the bottom and the "O" ring was blown. I think I seen a leather pressure cup on the end of the plunger too. Anyway, I like the RSBS much more when I don't use liquid alox.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2004, 03:37:49 AM »
flintski
Had one of them myself. Leaked like a sieve. It wasn't until I broke the pressure screw that I ordered a kit from Lyman that had a new screw, cap, and seal for both bottom and top. It's called the Pressure Screw Sub Assembly, $8.00, good deal in my mind.
Go to http://www.lymanproducts.com/lymanproducts/index.htm then page down until you get to the "Click Here to Order Replacement Older 450 Parts".

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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2004, 05:20:50 AM »
8$ isn't bad to upgrade the old 450.
thanks again for the info.
can't have enough luberisizer you know.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2004, 05:50:37 PM »
I ordered the repair kit from Lyman and it was there in a couple of  days and the thing is like a new unit.  Thanks for the advice it saved me from dumping it.

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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2004, 06:53:39 PM »
Ive got 2 lyman sizers (450) and one that I think was made before "dirt".  One of the 450's is lyman orange and the other is blue/gray. I finally blew the  "0" ring out of the bottom, and was getting lube comming out of the top. Went to the hardware store or parts place and got some new "0" rings , thing is back in order. Got some extra rings for my bullet sizer dies and rings for the compression thingy inside the sizer.

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« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2004, 12:44:50 AM »
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I ordered the repair kit from Lyman and it was there in a couple of  days and the thing is like a new unit.  Thanks for the advice it saved me from dumping it.   thanks flint


I've got the Lyman 45 with the same setup - brass sleeve that leaks.  From what I've heard the same kit will fix it.  When I get to it.....
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« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2004, 11:45:48 PM »
what greaybeard said is true i dont buy much lyman stuff anymore because of it.
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Yeah they're happy to SELL you anything. Trouble is they don't seem too willing to warranty anything when it goes bad. Lyman is the ONE company in the entire industry that just refuses to stand behind their products. Real shame as I really like a lot of their stuff. But they really need to back it like everyone else does.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2004, 01:30:19 PM »
I've never seen a 450 like you describe.  Sure Lyman made the parts?

I've got a Lyman 45, a 450 and two 4500's.  Obviously I like them.  That said, however, if these develop a problem I'm pretty much out of luck.

I've also got an RCBS with a life time guarantee.  Anything breaks and RCBS will send the replacement parts free.  Sounds like a better deal to me.

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2004, 05:19:14 PM »
I know they are a little hard to come by, but you really should try a Star.  After you try a Star, the rest of them will just collect dust.

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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2004, 05:36:03 PM »
Magma Engineering is making the Star.  I've got two of theirs.  Nice machines.

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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2004, 12:55:07 AM »
OK, I've heard that before, that Star is more better.

Why?

What do you like about how it works?  

AND aside from the conveniences, are the boolets more accurate?
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2004, 01:54:54 AM »
How many ways do I love thee.... OK let me try.

1.  Bullet goes in the top, comes out the bottom, one bullet pushes the next out.  You put clean bullets in the top, the lubed bullets come out the bottom.   Much faster than put one in, take it out, put one in take it out, plus you don't have to handle messy lubed bullets.

2.  Star has a pressure spring to maintain lube pressure, and a lube "pump".   tightening down on the spring provides the pressure to keep the pump fed.   After you put some tension on the spring, you can size 50-100 bullets.   You don't have to turn the handle every two or three bullets.

3.  With a Star, the lube goes where you want it.   The pump is actuated after the bullet is in place, you can set it so that it fills one lube groove, two grooves, or all of them.  You can even set it so you fill the top and bottom and not the middle.   And, with bevel base bullets, you don't fill the bevel with lube that has to be wiped off.

As for accuracy, I doubt if an advantage can be claimed by any sizer.  I think accuracy comes down to sizing your bullets to the right dimension for your particular firearm, using the right lube for the situation, and doing it the same way time after time.   The Star can certainly do that, but so can a Lyman or RCBS.....but as I said, once you have tried a Star, you won't go back.

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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2004, 04:41:46 AM »
They can also handle large diameter bullets.

Lyman and RCBS lubricators will accept dies as large as 0.577 but getting those out of the machines is a nightmare.  The largest die that can easily be removed from a Lyman is around 0.45.  For an RCBS it is maybe 0.505.  The Star has no such limitation.

If you buy a Star, the heater for the base is nice.  Also, if you ask, they'll make you a wood support so the machine can be mounted well about your workbench.  Thus you don't need a hole in the bench for the bullets to fall through.  Though they don't catelogue it, there is also a model with double the usual lubricant capacity.  That's nice.  Magma doesn't like making that variation but I like it.  About the only accessory that isn't worth buying is the bullet feeder.  Just more trouble then it is worth.  

The sizing dies for a Star, however, have to be adjusted to work with a given bullet.  That's a pain.  Also the set up time is much longer than with any other machine in my opinion.

Ballisti-Cast makes a Star like machine but with the heated base and bullet feeder built in.  Can not tell it from their web site but you can buy this machine without even more complex accessories.  Would be interesting to try.  Ballisti-Cast does very good work so I would assume that this is a very nice machine BUT it is the only lubricator/sizer that I've never tried.

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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2004, 06:38:32 AM »
I agree, setting up a Star can take some time.  That's why I keep matched sets of top punches and sizing dies.   I have one set for example that can be used to size a H&G 130's and a Lyman 452374's nose first.  The lube groove is the same distance from the base.   I have another set that I use to size Lyman 452460's, H&G 78's and Lyman 45266's base first. The double lube grooves are the same distance apart, and the same distance from the shoulder.  I have similar set ups for 38 Special and 357's This way I can swap out dies and punches in a couple of minutes and never have to do any adjusting.

It costs a couple of bucks more for the extra dies and top punches, but I've been able to pick some of them up pretty cheap at gun shows an auctions