Webley Tomahawk and scope question

[gunnstack]

Hi guys- I have sort of-kind of- maybe-settled on the Webley Tomahawk as my 3rd rifle.  I have had a look on the Webley site, perused the rifle details but can't see in the specs if it has a scope stop which I would think would be required on this rifle.  Is there in fact a scope stop in place?  The 2nd question is that the rifle appears to come as a combo with a Hawke scope fitted (3-9x something).  Any of you guys had experience of these scopes on springers and how they compare quality wise with othe scopes of similar price?  I don't mind paying a little more for a decent scope if this one doesn't come up to scratch.  Any info appreciated.
Regards Gordon

[Dand]

Have you checked out Straight Shooter's review of this rifle?  It might have some info you need.  I doubt they'll have any info on that scope. Some other US Webely dealers may have more information on this gun as well.  My impression is that Webelys are well made and highly regarded.  Seems like I read that they might have a unique size scope mounting rail but I'm not sure on that.

[VictorLouis]

I believe they are all grooved ala HW's. That is, the grooves just stop at a certain point on the rear of the receiver. However, there is not "hole"  for a stop pin as with the HW's.  One-piece mounts seem to be the way to go with the Webley. :-)

[oops]

I was informed by a Webley dealer, that you install the rear scope ring and slide it back on the grooves as far as it will go, and then tighten. - the back end of the grooves is the scope stop. No pins needed.  Performs as advertised on my Longbow.  Should work on the Tomahawk too.

[Lawdog]

gunnstack,

I don't know about the Webley Tomahawk but the Webley Patriot DOES require a scope stop.  The groves don't end abruptly, they feather out thus allowing the scope mount to slide with recoil build-up.  If there is no hole for a stop pin on the mount then it is easy to have one drilled.  You will not regret having this done.  In my opinion you have made a great choice and the Tomahawk and it should serve you well.  Now just make sure you get a scope that will handle the recoil of the Tomahawk.  Lawdog
 

[dave]

The Patriot/Kodiak has a built in scope stop. You need the correct mount that fits into it though. The Beeman model 5038 one piece mount has the hardened cross-pin arrestor that fits the stop groove thats found on some of the Webleys and the FWB 124/7 also. Not all Webleys have the arrestor grooves on the receiver, if it doesn't you should use something like the Beeman 5039 or 5040. With a good one piece you won't need to be drilling holes in your rifle.

[gunnstack]

Hi guys,thanks for all the input -much appreciated :-)   I think the Tomahawk will be hanging on my rifle rack next to the HW95K and others in a week or so.  It comes with the Hawke Air Max 4-12x40 Scope.  The Hawke scopes seem to have a better reputation than the Nikko Stirling which I currently have on the HW.  Not too bad a scope but I have had the odd bit spinning due to lack of QC, like the "fixed zeroing ring" on the windage adjustment freewheeling!  Super glued for the moment but may require a different approach if it misbehaves in the future.  Doesn't affect accuracy as it's only used as a reference point.  Oddly enough my supplier has stopped stocking Nikko Stirling- wonder why? :roll:   I have been given a rough estimate of the combo which for the sake of the missus I will knock off a couple of hundred $NZ otherwise I'm in the crap-again!!  :roll:  As for the lack of scope stop, the fact that the scope rail allows the mounts to butt against a solid stop in the rail should solve the problem-if not I have used Red Loctite on the early Winchester 1000(-spit-spit -)and the mounts could still be removed with a sharp tap with a mallet.  Having said that the rails on the early Winchester models were-well for want of a better word-crap!!  I will post when I get the Tomahawk and have a play with it, I usually get to have a play with the rifles before buying so I suppose I will have to put up a couple of new targets- the present ones (5ply) at 21m & 30m are in tatters.
Regards Gordon

[SR71]

I might suggest the Deluxe version.  Prior to my purchase, I compared the beech and deluxe side by side and the deluxe had a thinner wrist section.  The beech version was too wide on the grip for my liking.

[VictorLouis]

Plus, I believe the deluxe is checkered, at least in the grip.  Gorgeous gun! :grin:

[SR71]

nt.

[gunnstack]

Well the Tomahawk in .177 calibre (personal preference) is finally on the gun rack and looks very impressive.  I don't think I can fault the build and quality of this rifle.  Although it came with the Beech stock this one has an extremely well figured grain.  I will have to put through a good few pellets before I comment on it'accuracy but I'm getting pretty good groupings after a little scope adjustment and bore cleaning.  By the way the scope grooves taper towards the end rather than come to a stop so they may have changed the design but so far no scope creep.  If it does creep I will use red Loctite rather than drilling a stop hole.  I don't have a chrono but I feel this beast is doing better then the advertised 1000 ft/s it's driving H&N Barracuda match pellets over 1 inch into a pine strainer post at a tad over 10m.  Although a little on the heavy side it feels just right when you shoulder it but I feel it needs a slightly different approach as to hold and trigger pull compared to the other rifles I've had.  Myonly criticism is that the trigger load adjustment screw can only be accessed after removing the trigger guard.  The factory setting of 2lb was just a tad on the heavy side for me but a quick tweak had it sorted, I expect the trigger would have settled in over time but I wanted a set-up which suited me straight out of the box.
Now to the questions:
In most of the air rifles I have had I found H&N FTT or Barracuda Match worked well and having tried both in the Webley I'm of the same opinion.  The question is which would be the best as regards pellet weigh and spring life- the FTT at 8.5 grain or the BM 10.65 grain. bearing in mind that in NZ we don't have the range of choices you have in the US.  There are a number of other question I would like to ask but I will leave them to another time.
Regards Gordon