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Ever have trouble with a scope? (shotgun question)
« on: November 16, 2004, 09:57:45 AM »
I went to the range yesterday to sight in my Remington 870 Express 12 ga. shotgun for deer season. I have a new factory Remington 23 inch fully rifled barrel with the cantilever scope mount. I was using a Bushell Banner 1.5-4.5x33 scope. I shot around $100 (50 or so slugs) worth of sabot slugs through it and it won't shoot worth a sh :( t.
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Winchester Partition Gold- about 9 inch group @ 100 yds.
Winchester Platinum Tips- a little better but not much @ 100 yds.
Lightfield Hybred EXP- about 5 inch groups @ 100 yds.
Remington Premier Core-Lokt Ultra (only two rounds) they were about 2 1/2 to 3 inches apart @ 50 yds.

All these slugs would hold tighter groups but there would be fliers that made them as big as they were. I'd shoot a 5 shot group and the first two shots would be really close then I'd get one or two that would be 6 or 8 inches away. This happened with ever brand I tried. The Lightfields were the best, but still not acceptable.

I used to have a 20 inch fully rifled barrel and a 1.5x power scope that used the mount that went around the receiver on this shotgun. Using the same Lightfield EXP slugs it would shot 2 to 3 inch groups @ 100 yds. all day long! Everything is tight on the gun!

I use to have this same scope on my 444 Marlin. I had a simular problem with that gun, just not as bad. I use the 444 for black bear and wild boar hunting. Having done neither I took the scope off and put it on the 870. I think the scope may be my problem. Today I put a Leupold VX II 2-7x33 Shotgun scope on it. I won't shoot it until tomorrow so I don't know if it has fixed my problem or not.

Have you ever had trouble with a scope???
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2004, 11:41:56 AM »
New York Hunter, if the gun shot well before, and then you changed scopes and barrels, thats two variables. If going to the Leupold does not help (and make sure the mounts are TIGHT), then you know whats left. Two things you can check, are for dings or burrs at the muzzle, and sloppy fit between the barrel and receiver. Yes I know, the scope is mounted to the barrel, but too loose a fit is like a poorly bedded rifle, and will throw slugs all over.
I have had some trouble with scopes over the years, funny thing is, they were all Bushnells. I don't think they handle recoil all that well. Mine never held zero for long.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2004, 04:36:38 PM »
Ramrod, both the guns this scope has been on have pretty stiff recoil. Like I said, I had simular trouble with my 444 Mar. when I had it on that, so I'm hoping its the problem. If it is the barrel I'm not going to be hunting in the "southern zone" this year! :(
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2004, 12:01:06 AM »
NYH, don't give up on this season yet! If you can do 5-6 inch groups with those Lightfields in that setup, you are fine for deer, just use that as your max range. This beats many smoothbores at 75 yards, and they still kill a ton of deer every year.
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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2004, 12:24:42 PM »
Ramrod, its the barrel. I put my Leupold scope on it like I said. Went to the range today and its just as bad as the other day. I came home and called Remington. I told the lady I was shooting 8 inch to 1 foot groups after swapping scopes and I tried 6 to 8 different kinds of ammo and the lady told me she "wanted the barrel back to the factory", I think in N. Carolina. I told her I was a little over an hour away from their Ilion, N.Y. plant and could they fix it or look at it there, and if so could I drive down and drop if off myself. She told me what ever was easier for me, "all they wanted to do was make it right and make sure I was happy!".


Then I took everything off the barrel and cleaned it really good. I looked though the barrel at the muzzle end. About 2 to 3 inches in, theres a crack in the barrel. It starts were the rifling meets the regular part of the barrel and "runs" with the rifling for the most part. It is about 1/4 inch long and about .050 to .080 thousandth of an inch thick. It was to late to call Remington back and tell them, so it looks like I'm gonna get a new barrel all together!
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2004, 12:35:24 PM »
I'm sure they will make it right. I hope you get it together in time for the opener. Sight in on a posted sign if you have to. :) (just kidding)
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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2004, 03:52:14 PM »
Quote from: Ramrod
Sight in on a posted sign if you have to. :) (just kidding)


Wow, thats funny!!! :-D  :grin:  :)  :-)  :lol:  :P  :wink:
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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2004, 04:13:04 PM »
Nice work NYH!!!!
I hope everything will work out well in Illion for you., If not, I'd look into one of those H&R single Ultra Slug Hunters.

Jim
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« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2004, 12:23:59 PM »
Yup, they gave me a new barrel. It was as easy as that. I was there about ten minutes!!! :grin:
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