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22-250 vs. 220 swift
« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2005, 12:30:22 PM »
These two calibers have been compared more and longer than possibly any other, certainly in varmint class.  The funny thing is they are about as close as two calibers can be.  they are like twin brothers,  one of the working class one white collar, one some what savvy one "the varminter". .  They are my two favorites,  and as a 22-250 shooter I will  give the gentleman's nod to the Swift.  Many believe the Swift was first but both spawned around 1915 (the great wildcat era)as wildcats.  Winchester simply mass produced the Swift before Browning did the 22-250 of which Remington later got credit for.  Neither were developed by a factory.  To me there is simply know better than either for varmints & predators from short to long distance.  Why ?  Because they shoot 50 - 60 grains fast & flat to 300 yards without hold over.  50 -60 grains has the smack I appreciate and is proven on varmints & predators.  They are both inherently accurate shooting .5  is  all to common.  They are both more accurate at 300 yards than sub-calibers.  They both have varmint / predator kill power at 500 yards.
Barrel life questions came from pre World War ll  and grew with exaggeration over time.  Using top quality barrels of today's modern corrosion resistant steel,  sustained fire practice's, and proper cleaning it will not be a issue with either for the hunter rod & gun club type shooter.  Both had good solid careers in Bench Rest until the 6mm' s came along.  Both still do very well in Bench Rest Factory Varmint Class out to 300.  Honestly I feel there is none better still today for varmints and predators.  I also like the .223 but,  why not have a rifle that shoots 55 grains flat ?  20 calibers  are nothing new either.  There wild cat days date back about the same as the 250 & swift but they don't carry the grains and results have been "so,so" on predators at a distance and even groundhogs to a lesser degree.  They don't carry the smack of a 55 grain.
Personally,  I believe you only need one varmint predator rifle if it's a 22-250 or 220 Swift.  The only exception I can think of is a hot Prairie Dog town........then take one of each (grin) in heavy barrel.  If you have one of either 22-250 or Swift,  the rest of the Varmint/Predator Rifles are really just for collecting,talk,hype,fun,etc.
They do it all......
I don't use either for Deer.  To me they were made for and shine at close to long range, varmint to predator,factory bench or field highly accurate, hot rods.  That shoot the grains I prefer for such.
As has been said,  either if you re-load or the Swift if for a more special feel.  For factory ammo the 22-250.
If there ever was a pair of "brothers in arms"..........these two are it :)  :-)

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« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2005, 07:32:50 AM »
I have been a 220 SWIFT fanatic for many years now,.....people say that they are near identical in FPS,.....but 200 fps is still 200 fps (using a 55 grain bullet and loading your own) and that can make a difference in open country .
  As for shooting deer with .22 cal centerfires,.....only if you can make a CLEAN head shot......anywhere else on a deer is risky.
  A .243 will still lose a % of deer as it was originally developed for coyotes then hunters started using them on deer and had a certain amount sucess.
 If you have big 280 to 300+lb deer like we have here in
 Kansas 8) ,...then you want something that will anchor them in one shot like a .270.
Good luck this upcoming season.
CKM

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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2005, 04:10:12 AM »
I have never owned a Swift but have done a lot of business with 22-250's over the years.  I think the choice would indeed be a personal thing as there is slight difference between them.
 I can tell you this, barrels of modern steel do not trump an eager beaver that wants to lay down a field of fire.  Back of your velocity to @3600fps and wait a while (a minute) between shots and your rifle will last a long time.  If you lack disclipline in your rate of fire, you might want to put your replacement barrel in lay-a-way when you buy the new rifle.

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« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2005, 02:29:51 PM »
In Jim Carmichel's book The Modern Rifle, he stated that when shooting long range crows, the Swift would win most of the time vs the 22/250. He also said the Swift tens to be more accurate over the two. I think that was from Ruger's testing.

A friend has used both on  a lot of coyotes and said the Swift is much better.

The shallow shoulder on the Swift tends to contribute to erosion.

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« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2005, 04:28:37 PM »
Somebody had mentioned a minimum of 1000 FPE....Does this qualify at 100 yards?  Of course, these are estimates....

This is for the 53g TSX:

Range     Velocity    Impact    Drop    ToF       Energy          Drift
0            3400         -1.5          0         0         1360               0
100         2975         0             1.83     0.1       1042              0
200         2598        -2.46        7.63     0.2         794              0


This is for a 60g bullet:

Range    Velocity     Impact    Drop     ToF       Energy         Drift
0           3150          -1.5         0           0         1322               0
100        2849           0          2.08        0.1      1081               0
200        2574         -2.81      8.47        0.21      883                0

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« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2005, 07:05:50 PM »
I like using my 22 250 deer hunting . I know of some older people that has heart surgury they use a 22 250 because they dont kick and they all kill deer VM

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« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2005, 06:40:59 PM »
All things considered I doubt an animal would recognize which one its been hit by.  They're pretty even in performance.  Most .22-250s come with a 1 in 14" barrel twist which will limit you pretty much to 55gr. bullets.  You'll probably need a 1 in 9" twist to stabilize the 70gr. bullets.  Both calibers can be pretty hard on barrels if you hot rod them too much or too long.  Just one mans opinion.  Best wishes.

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« Reply #37 on: October 13, 2005, 03:22:12 AM »
I owned a 220 Swift and currently own a 22-250. But i would not use either for deer size game. The lowest I would consider for myself is 243. JMHO. :D
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« Reply #38 on: October 13, 2005, 09:12:29 PM »
I have seen alot of deer taken with a 22 250. And i seen them leave a exit hole and i have seen them leave a blood trail a any body could find the deer. VM

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« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2005, 03:50:51 AM »
I have shot deer with a 22-250, a doe at 400+ yards, she ran about 200. Only rifle I had that year and last day of season. My choice would be a 260 Rem up, though I will use a 243 Handi some to shoot a doe this fall.