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Does a 300WBY need a brake ???
« on: November 18, 2004, 06:34:12 AM »
I've been blessed with the opportunity to pick up a new Accumark in 300Wby that I am not going to pass on.  I'm looking for input with regards to whether a muzzle brake should be added or not.  I'm not particularly recoil shy, and regularly shoot a 300wsm in the Featherweight configuration (although I wear a PAST pad).  My gut tells me it's not needed, but I'd like to hear from those who have experience with this gun/caliber combination.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2004, 10:28:24 AM »
LouD, I have a 300wby rem 700 action and 30" hart barrel heavy sporter .750 at the muzzle, It proably weighs close to 11 lbs with the scope on it. while shooting it recoil was heavy I had to have my head positioned just right so I wouldn't get hit with the scope, Max. loads with 190gr bullets. I  put a Vias brake on it and recoil is now about the same as a 9lb .270, also the vais brake is not as loud as some other brakes, can be shot WHILE HUNTING without ear protection. It is now a fun gun to shoot.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2004, 01:35:38 PM »
LouD,

Need a brake on a .300 Weatherby Magnum?  Lord NO.  I own two .300 Weatherby Mark V Magnums and several other larger caliber rifles and none need a brake to shoot comfortably.  The Weatherby stock was designed to help handle the recoil which isn’t all that much more(about 6 lbs. or so) than the .300 WSM you have shot.  In a hunting situation you will never feel it.  What little relief you will get with a brake is way off-set by the added muzzle blast.  Save your money and your hearing by forgetting the brake idea.  Lawdog
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2004, 01:50:24 PM »
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LouD,

Need a brake on a .300 Weatherby Magnum?  Lord NO.  I own two .300 Weatherby Mark V Magnums and several other larger caliber rifles and none need a brake to shoot comfortably.  The Weatherby stock was designed to help handle the recoil which isn’t all that much more(about 6 lbs. or so) than the .300 WSM you have shot.  In a hunting situation you will never feel it.  What little relief you will get with a brake is way off-set by the added muzzle blast.  Save your money and your hearing by forgetting the brake idea.  Lawdog
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« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2004, 02:01:13 PM »
Thanks Lawdog !  I was anxiously waitnig your reply on this one.  Now I can get back to anxiously awaiting picking up the gun.  

Lou
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2004, 10:25:27 AM »
Lou,

Your Welcome.  If I can be of any help with reloading data or whatever just send me a PM.  Lawdog
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2004, 10:31:10 PM »
Just roll with the rifle. :lol:

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2004, 04:25:39 AM »
Depends on how much shooting you want to do off the bench.  At some point recoil will effect groups.  I put a KDF on mine and have been using electronic ear muffs.  I try and get to the range acouple times a week and with putting breaks on my 30cal mag rifles I really enjoy shooting them.  I find that now I take one of the mags to shoot along with my other rifles instead of just checking zero before hunting season.  Well good luck.

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 06:59:06 AM »
A buddy of mine bought a Rem 700 Classic the year they chambered the 300 WBY.  He put a KDF on it before ever shooting it.  It kicked about like a 308 with 150s and was accurate as could be (after he "glassed" the action) but even with muffs and plugs it would rattle your teeth with noise.  I think his was a 26" bbl

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 04:21:57 PM »
I look at it two ways.  First, if you want to let everyone know you shoot one of the best mags out there, and you are "King of the Range," then go with a brake.  Second, if you want to show off to your buddies how much punishment you can take, then leave the brake off/or don't get one.  I got one only because I enjoy shooting that cannon, and wanted to do some serious sighting in/finding the right load.  But when I get the gall to see how much I can take, and still do well with it, I remove it.  One question for you shooting buffs out there: Should the POI change whether the brake is on or off?  I take my examples from the first groups I shot, and the most recent groups w/ & w/o the brake.  The first, a Three-Shot Group w/the brake measured 7/16".  The other TSG, w/o the brake, the first shot went 2 1/2" high, the 2nd went 5 1/2" high, or 3" higher than the previous shot; and the 3rd, was 3" above the second shot or a total of 7 1/2" high.  The group itself is about 7-8" (can't measure at the moment).  It was close to the exact same circumstances with the most recent tests.  Anyone know whether that is normal?  It can't be flinching, because the two patterns I did without the brake (the first time out, and the last time I took it out) look very identical.  Thanks for any info if it proves to be something that shouldn't be happening.  Patriot

BTW, I have the Accubrake installed on my rifle.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2004, 01:01:04 PM »
Patriot_1776,

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I look at it two ways. First, if you want to let everyone know you shoot one of the best mags out there, and you are "King of the Range," then go with a brake. Second, if you want to show off to your buddies how much punishment you can take, then leave the brake off/or don't get one.


You couldn't be more wrong.  There are other ways of handling recoil than sticking something on a rifle that is going to ruin your hearing(and the hearing of others that happen to be around you when you are shooting(proven fact)).  The muzzle blast from a powerful muzzle brake equipped rifle is so loud that even with hearing protection the shooter risks suffering some permanent hearing damage after a few shots. Earmuff type hearing protectors typically reduce noise by about 25 dB. A muzzle brake equipped magnum rifle (like a .300 or .338 Magnum) produces a sound pressure level in the 130-dB range.  If a shooter can handle the recoil of a .300 WSM in a light weight rifle than the recoil of a .300 Weatherby isn't that much worse.  I routinely go through 100 rounds at the range with my .300 Weatherby unless I am doing load work and then it could be more.

Brakes increase muzzle blast, PERIOD. Noisy rifles are easy to shoot at the bench, where you have ear protection.  But you won’t wear those muffs when you hunt.  Shooting without them WILL ruin your hearing.  Big game guides, who often find themselves beside a hunter at the shot, by and large hate brakes.  Many refuse to guide hunters that have brake equipped rifles.  The hunter must either remove the brake or if unable to do so use a borrowed rifle on the hunt.  A brake can also affect your shooting from low positions.  Lying prone in the dust, you’ll trigger a tornado that leaves dust on your scope lens and in your barrel, maybe in your eyes.  At best, it will hang in the air long enough to obscure your view of the animal’s reaction.  Without wind it can hang there long after the animal and your chance for a second shot are gone.  Lastly a number of private gun clubs have limited or banned the use of brakes on their ranges.  Our club restricts when they are allowed to be used and almost banned their use completely due to complaints from members.  As stated if the recoil bothers you there are a number of ways to handle it besides a brake and cheaper too.  Lawdog
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2004, 03:23:28 PM »
It's funny but I belong to acouple private gun clubs here in Colorado and never heard of banning a shooter because he has a brake in both the clubs the insurance is throught NRA which we have to be a member of  and they don't ban brakes down at the whittington center.   I had my first brake put on when I lived in Calif and shot at alot of ranges and never heard any complaints about shooting with a brake on I think thats a bunch of bull.  We were thinking of moving back to Calif the first part of the year and I was looking up ranges thru the NRA in No Calif and never saw anything about Brakes on rifles.  And I know afew guys that work in the guiding business out here and I've yet to heard of a guide not accepting business because a hunter has a brake on a rifle.  If you guys believe all this stuff I'd like to interst you in some good share of the Golden Gate bridge.  Stop down at McMillian in AZ one day and you will find out the most popluar rifle they made is a 30-378 with a brake and these are the guy who pay big bucks for a rifle of course they cann't go on a guided elk hunt since they have a brake on there rifles.  Ha-Ha Ha    My thing is don't like it don't put one on but don't criticize other because they don't follow you thinking.  Shooting suppose to be fun.

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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2004, 03:52:29 PM »
Sorry if I didn't make sense.  So I'll explain what I said and why I said it.

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First, if you want to let everyone know you shoot one of the best mags out there, and you are "King of the Range,"


Explained:  Let everyone know, meaning, by the signature-like extreme blast you brought to the range, and K.O.t.R. meant that, rudely, you chased everyone off the range because of the immense shock wave caused by the braked mag.

 

 
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Second, if you want to show off to your buddies how much punishment you can take, then leave the brake off/or don't get one.


Explained:  For the other spectrum, there are people who don't shoot to shoot well.  They only buy these big brutes perhaps on a dare, to show others what they can take (I've heard and talked with them) or otherwise.  Not saying everyone who buys a mag thinks like this, but there are some.  This statement I now look back on, was alittle too broad and could be interpreted differently.

 
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Brakes increase muzzle blast, PERIOD. Noisy rifles are easy to shoot at the bench, where you have ear protection. But you won’t wear those muffs when you hunt. Shooting without them WILL ruin your hearing. Big game guides, who often find themselves beside a hunter at the shot, by and large hate brakes. Many refuse to guide hunters that have brake equipped rifles. The hunter must either remove the brake or if unable to do so use a borrowed rifle on the hunt. A brake can also affect your shooting from low positions. Lying prone in the dust, you’ll trigger a tornado that leaves dust on your scope lens and in your barrel, maybe in your eyes. At best, it will hang in the air long enough to obscure your view of the animal’s reaction. Without wind it can hang there long after the animal and your chance for a second shot are gone.


I have read pretty similar to what you stated about them brakes when they are used in a hunting situation.  In addition, while I was still deciding whether to get a 300WBY, everyone was always saying: "OH my gosh! That'll kick like the devil; make sure to get a brake."  Also:  "Think you can handle the recoil?  It's a bruiser."  That being said, you could say I was skeptical, and cautious at the same time.  As for myself, I went through the extra trouble it was to get a removable brake installed on my rifle.  I would have demanded it, if it got to that point.  Because I would never, EVER, use a brake when hunting.    

 
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The muzzle blast from a powerful muzzle brake equipped rifle is so loud that even with hearing protection the shooter risks suffering some permanent hearing damage after a few shots. Earmuff type hearing protectors typically reduce noise by about 25 dB. A muzzle brake equipped magnum rifle (like a .300 or .338 Magnum) produces a sound pressure level in the 130-dB range.


Yep, I've heard of their extra danger to hearing without hearing prot. and with insufficient hearing prot.  That is why I always, when shooting with it (the brake) on, advise everyone around me to stand behind me when I shoot.  Secondly, when I shoot, or someone else shoots it, muffs over my/their earplugs is mandatory.  That further safeguards the shooter's hearing protection.  And I even said:  I got one only because I enjoy shooting that cannon, and wanted to do some serious sighting in/finding the right load.  It's about 1 1/2 hrs. to the range I go to, and I like to make every trip count.  So if my shoulder gets too tenderized by the recoil, I can easily replace the brake and shoot a little more and stay accurate at the same time.  One other thing our range has, that I think is pretty good, are shooting zone walls, or stations.  Every two tables, there is a wooden wall that creates an immediate barrier, and helps prevent the sideblast from effecting other parties around you.  So I haven't got any complaints from other people at all...yet.  Matter of fact, I usually get complements and the occasional gawker wondering what that is with the brake on.  So I'm sorry if I caused some confusion about my position on what I think of muzzle brakes. :D   Patriot
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2004, 04:02:46 PM »
One other thing I noticed with muzzle brakes.  They don't seem to be worse, or more bearable depending on the caliber.  There is an occasional I've come across at the rifle range, and the rifle he always  brought was a............You guessed it: a .50 BMG.  And it did not sound extremely unbearable to me.  I even stood behind him about 15ft away and it still sounded, impressively, tame.  Tame meaning it did not sound any worse than my mag with the break on.  Just my thoughts, but I think the brakes can be one of the most helpful things under certain circumstances.  Patriot
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2004, 06:32:14 PM »
I would possibly recommend the accubrake system as it is the weatherby system.It allows you the option to use or not use the brake by unsrewing it if you feel thats a situational necessity.This takes 5-10 seconds.Also shooting with the mark5's stock is different then the accumark stock and you might want to consider this also.You could practise with the brake and hunt without if that's your pleasure.

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2004, 03:25:09 AM »
Roper, well said and I agree with you. When I hear someone say that heavy recoil doesn't bother them I think of boxers that take a lot of punches, they usually have short careers.
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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2004, 05:04:49 AM »
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...boxers that take a lot of punches, they usually have short careers.


Pretty understandable to me.  Ever see a brain scan, and how much scarred brain tissue they have?  Looks like at least 75% of their brain left is functioning.  Another thing pertaining to that with heavy recoil, is how many heavy caliber shooters, later on in life, get arthritis or at least painful conditions in their shoulder?  Is it possible to get such, after repeated LONG-time use of a big caliber mag?  I'm not asking that to be argumentative, I am asking seriously.  I've always wondered about that.

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...the accubrake system as it is the weatherby system...You could practise with the brake and hunt without if that's your pleasure.


That is exactly what I have/would do.  I would never hunt with a brake.  I'll tell you, any rifle I've heard without hearing protection at the range is pretty shocking to the drums (and they weren't magnums either) :shock: ; but if they had a brake on, it would be murder I'm sure.  But hey, when the range is hot, its your responsibility to make sure your hearing protection is on.  Otherwise.......... :eek:  :cry:   Patriot
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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2004, 04:26:12 PM »
Don't the bigger Weatherby calibers come with packmeyer(sp?) pads?  I have a buddy who has had a couple of the 300 Weatherby mags one ported and the other plain.  I would not want to shoot a box of shells at a sitting with the unported but, even being somewhat recoil sensitive, I did not feel the recoil was punishing just very noticable.  But to me the muzzle blast of the ported rifle was very annoying.  It certainly reduced the recoil but the noise, to me, was worse than the recoil.

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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2004, 05:13:26 PM »
Case 1--I have a 7mm RemMag that I let a gunsmith talk me into putting a brake onto.  It was a 1/2 MOA gun and it immediately went to 1+ MOA.  Now it kicks about like a .243, but my accuracy went south.  It is REALLY loud, as others have noted, not so much for the shooter with this brake, but for others standing around when I shoot.This was a really a stupid thing for me to do, because I am not really recoil conscious, but at the time it was a "trendy"  thing to do.

Case 2--I bought my son a .264 WinMag with the Browning BOSS system and brake.  Big mistake.  The boss is a pain to adjust and the noise from the brake was unbearable.  I purchased a blank brake from winchester to replace the ported brake.

Case 3--I purchased a Lazzaroni 308 Patriot (short mag) and didn't put a brake on it.  Fooled me twice but not 3 times.

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« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2004, 03:09:12 PM »
acearch72,

That Lazzaroni must be quite the rifle.  How do you like it, and is it worth the ammo price?

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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2004, 03:27:31 PM »
Longwinters,

I bought this gun as a long range rifle to hunt over some very large fields that we have on our property.  Many chances at 500 yd. shots as we are trying to manage the property and reduce the does.

It's a really nice performing gun, but as you noted the ammo is pretty unreasonable, even though Lazzaroni does do some special stuff to it that improves performance and accuracy.  My really biggest complaint is that the choice of bullets is limited to what they want to load, and I don't have the time to reload myself, so I'm stuck with the Lazzaroni offerings.  

When I first bought the gun, they offered a 180 gr. Sierra Gameking bullet that worked OK as well as a 180 gr. Nosler Partition.  They have discontinued loading these and now offer the 168 Gr. Sierra Matchking, which is a target bullet.  Lazzaroni is pushing it as a hunting bullet and says it works fine, but I'm not going to shoot this bullet at game.  The only other choice is a 130 gr. Barnes X which I think is too small for a .308 cal. bullet.  

He is supposed to start loading a 150 gr. Lazerhead, which is really a Barnes TSX with his special coating, but he still hasn't got around to loading this in the 308 Patriot.  Once he does, I will revert to this bullet.  But at the price, I don't get to practice much.  

This year I'm going back to my 7mm RemMag.

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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2004, 10:53:07 AM »
Have any one of you that are proponents of the muzzle brakes ever shot at the range next to someone with one?  Those things are rude and obnoxious to your fellow shooters.  I've got 29 db earmuffs that I use while at the range.  The last outing I shot beside two different fellows, one with a ported 450 Marlin and the other a braked short barreled 375 H&H.  I had to put earplugs in AND use the earmuff type hearing protectors and was still getting jarred by the noise of their reports.  My ears rang for the rest of the day.

I can't stand ports or brakes.  Your fellow shooters won't appreciate them at the range.  Unless you have some type of health problem with your shoulder or neck, either you don't need them or you aren't using proper shooting form, haven't practiced with the rifle enough, aren't concentrating enough, or are just flat using too much gun.

I simply refuse to shoot next to anyone with a braked or ported rifle at the range anymore.

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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2004, 02:19:16 PM »
No offense or flaming is intended to anyone, but I wouldn't disregard my experience with that .50 BMG the guy would bring as nothin to sniff at.  I stood 15 or so feet back from him, and the report was not at all bad.  I only had my earplugs in at the time.  The rifle's deep-throated roar of course was pretty awesome, but I would not flat-out put he or the gun down as rude or obnoxious.  Especially in cases like that, there is nothing one can do about that; would anyone want to shoot a .50 BMG w/o a muzzle brake if it could be removed?  If a perfectly healthy person wants a dislocated, broken, and maimed shoulder, I won't argue.  But there are some reasons other people like them for, and I won't try to collaborate why they have, or would not have a brake on their gun.  It just does not bother me.  

BTW, my brother has a ported 12ga shotgun and I've even heard that standing to the immediate side of him, and did not notice any real excess sound/shockwaves associated with the ports.  And it only has a 24" bbl.  Plus, I even then still had my earplugs in there just poppin' away.  So I would think over first the possible reason why some people have brakes on, and some don't.  I don't hear any complaints about the extra report associated with magnums when compared to the report of a standard cartridge.  And I KNOW an un-braked 300Wby has much more "shock and awe" than an un-braked 30-06. No matter what anyone says, I'll just let the ringing metal garbage drums speak for themselves next time a magnum is fired.  As for myself, when I go the range, I fully expect to hear some pretty loud stuff out there. :D   Patriot
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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2004, 04:10:32 PM »
Yukon Jack, Yes I've shot next to people with brakes for over 20yrs and I've got the electronic muffs from dillon now.  As we get close to hunting season out here in Colorado see alot of brakes.  We have over 850 members in both ranges I belong to as with any club both have expanded and one has bought some more ground and getting a 1000yd set up.  I take alot of non brake rifles to the range for just paper shooting and with good hearing protection I don't have a problem if someone is shooting a rifle with a brake on next to me and I don't assume anything as to why he has one on since we live in the good old USA.  One thing we did was make members extend the muzzles out pass the benches on all firearms on the big bore side and the benches on the firing line must be no more than 4" from the end of the concrete.  Doesn't matter if a rifle has a brake or not the muzzle blast complaints was getting bad and since that was enforced we haven't had complaints.  I've done alot of range duty both here and Calif and I'm just glad to see guys shooting and enjoying themselves and if I have to leave the range because of what someone is shooting and he is doing nothing unsafe I'd quit shooting plain and simple.  If it ain't fun might as well find something that is life too short.

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« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2004, 12:00:36 PM »
Well, I just picked up the new gun.  Got it for $899 plus tax (yes, it is an Accumark !).  Also got some dies, 100 rounds of factory ammo (2 boxes ea. of 150 gr & 165 gr. plus a box of 180's) rings & bases.  I'm putting my Zeiss conquest 3x9 on it with Dual Dove-tail Signature rings, and then it's off to the range on the weekend.  As long as I don't get caught by the wife it should be a great time !!!  Thanks for all the input.
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« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2004, 12:16:45 PM »
LouD,

Congratulations.  Keep us informed on how it works for you.  Lawdog
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« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2004, 12:46:00 PM »
LouD,

Great!  Hope you have plenty of fun with it.  With all that good ammo, be sure to break the barrel in; it will help with the accuracy.  BTW, is it braked, if not, are you still considering?  :D   Patriot
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« Reply #27 on: December 02, 2004, 03:56:10 PM »
The gun does not have a brake on it.  At this point I'm not planning to install one.  For shooting from the bench I'm going to rely on my shooting rest, a "Firing Squad" varmint rest I picked up at the Reno Gun show a couple of weeks ago, along with a PAST pad.  I've only shot my .270 with the rest so far, without the PAST, and the recoil was reduced dramatically so we'll see.  I'm glad you mentioned barrel break-in.  My normal routine is shoot 1 then clean for the 1st 5 shots, then shoot 3 and clean for the next 15.  Since the Accumark has a "lapped" barrel from the factory I was curious as to whether my normal routine was still desirable?  Since I'll be waiting significantly between shots anyway it won't be a big deal, but I still wonder if I should break it in this way or not...
Lou

PS.  Once through the 100 rounds I'm planning to shoot reloads only.  My dies are RCBS X-dies...  anyone had any experience with these?  Also, what sort of case life do you get?
Lou D. - Reno, Nevada

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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2004, 04:39:15 PM »
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I'm glad you mentioned barrel break-in. My normal routine is shoot 1 then clean for the 1st 5 shots, then shoot 3 and clean for the next 15. Since the Accumark has a "lapped" barrel from the factory I was curious as to whether my normal routine was still desirable?


Sounds like it would work just fine.  The way I broke my Accumark in went like this: Fire 10 shots, cleaning after every shot; fire 10 more shots, cleaning after every 2 shots; fire another 10 shots, cleaning after every 5 shots; I believe then, I fired 10 shots, and cleaned after the 10 rds.  But either way, yours sounds about right to me too.  As a matter of fact, I've heard there are many different ways to break in a barrel, all ending with pretty much the same results! :)  So it's really a matter of preference.  Be sure to let the barrel cool if it gets a little too warm.  Too warm to me feels like it is just on the verge of tingling the surface of my skin; but not OUCH!!!  When its time to let the barrel cool, it doesen't matter the range temp, letting it sit with the action open helps the barrel cool faster that sitting with the action closed.  By allowing the air to flow freely through the barrel, its less of a wait.  

With breaking in, it helps two things: 1) It helps with accuracy because it basically finalizes the lapping process, by removing the smallest burrs left by the factory's machines; 2) It helps reduce copper fouling because of the machining burrs.  Once they are removed, cleaning becomes a snap.  With my rifle, I can fire (using Barnes TSX bullets) 10-15 rds. and it only takes approx 7-10 wet (using Barnes CR-10 solvent) patches, and a couple of dry patches, to ensure all the solvent hase been removed. :D   Patriot

P.S.  As a side note, I read it is best to use conventional jacketed bullets (which you do have) when breaking in a barrel.  The harder guilding metal is a better material to remove the burrs, than would a Barnes solid copper bullet.  If using a Barnes solid copper bullet, the pure copper will be easily stripped from the bullet by the burrs (if any), causing more than necessary copper fouling IMO.  But after break-in is completed, you can use pretty much any bullet you want.
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« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2004, 05:23:55 PM »
FYI, I have a Winchester 70 Classic LT that I sent out to Hill Country Rifle to be accurized and teflon coated, caliber .300 Weatherby.  I agree with the earlier posts, no muzzle brake needed.  If you are ISO a good load 200 gr Nosler Partitions, Remington brass, Fed 215 Mag primer.  85.0 gr RL 25.  Averages 3080fps in my rifle over my chronograph.  My buddy recommended the load, clocked an honest 3100 in his Blaser R-93.  No pressure signs of any sort with either rifle.  Good shooting.