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Offline Qaz

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« on: December 06, 2004, 08:07:12 AM »
I am from the school that says; shoot one rifle and shoot it well! I am looking at a 243 for varmits and deer. Do any of you shoot all the different weight bullets from 56gr to 100gr? What do you look for in a rifle that shoots all the weights of bullets well. Are there any brands in particular?

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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2004, 07:13:06 PM »
I just bought a 243 myself. I am just starting to coyote hunt, and bought a used Savage 110 in 243. I love the cartridge. My Savage shoots one hole groups at 50 yards, longest range available in bad weather here. Recoil is very mild and not sharp at all in my wood stocked Savage. I shot 3 different loads today. Winchester 55 grain Ballistic Tips, Winchester 80 grain soft points, and some handloaded 75 grain Ballistic Tips. My gun shoots best with the 55 grains. The other 2 seemed to shoot about an inch lower than the 55 grain silvertips. Also, I have watched about 75-100 kills on DVD's of coyote hunts. The 243 outperforms the 22 centerfires everytime, drops 'yotes in their tracks. Hope this helps, enjoy your 243.

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2004, 03:42:26 AM »
I load 100 grain Nosler Partitions for my 243 deer load and 70 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips for my Varmint loads. I have an older Tang safety Ruger M77 and I'm getting excellent accuracy from both loads.
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2004, 09:33:43 AM »
The .243 is an excellent cartridge and about  the absolute minimum caliber one should use for deer.  The .243 Winchester was designed to be used with the heavier weight bullets and in my experience the groups start to open up as the bullet weight goes down.  Got two of them, one Ruger M77 - one Savage M99 DL, that my wife and kids used for years and both of them would have their groups start to open with the lightest weight bullets.  I wouldnÂ’t use bullets weighting less then 70 grains for varmints.  Lawdog
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2004, 01:16:01 PM »
Having got my first 243 back in 1965 still have that rifle won't tell you how many barrels I've shot out. Also have another 243 I'm playing with.  Heard over the years about the light bullets etc in the 243 most time I use either 100gr or 85 gr.  I'm shot some 68 gr match and may be a good coyote load but not good enough for PD for the long range stuff.  I'm going back to my old thinking bullet to twist.  I don't have a 1/14 twist 243 but have one in a 6mmrem and that rifle shoot little bug holes with 68gr match bullets and it's a serious long range varmit rifle.  I just had a 6mmremai with a 1/10 twist barrel done up and it flat doesn't like those light bullets.  I've only tried 68/70gr bullets in 243 and 6mmrem and they just don't shoot as good as when I use them in a 1/14 twist barrel.  I need someone to explain to me how you can get groups in the .2's and .3's 5 shot groups  day in day out with a 243 with a factory or 1/10 twist barrel.  I'm not being a smart-ass or anything but in 40yrs of reloading I can't get it done.

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2004, 01:52:28 AM »
Roper, I would also like to know that. I would think that the 1/10 twist barrel would shoot both light and heavy bullets well. If it does not, why? What is the best twist for that caliber?

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2004, 07:16:46 AM »
I just bought a winchester model 70 .243 made in 1973 never fired, but its still in the mail, but my dad bought a remington 788 in .243 in september, ive shot one deer with it, dropped her in her tracks. He loads it with 40.4 grains of IMR4350 and an 85 grain sierra gameking HBPT.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2004, 01:01:16 AM »
I have a Browning A-bolt in 243. I got it for pronghorn and sika deer hunting. I am using 87 gr. Hornady soft points with 38.0 gr of IMR4064. I am getting sub-MOA groups at 100 yards with them. I just ordered some Barnes X bullets to try. I have had great success with the Barnes in my other rifles.  :D
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2004, 07:30:22 AM »
hey
well there is one particular brand you might want to check out

         TIKKA!!
my t3 in.243 shoots factory loads into 1/2 in all day long   it really likes the federal ammo with the 70 gr speer  tnt for some reason but it will also shoot 100gr winchester super x loads into 5/8 in at 100yds
great gun for the money  
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« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2004, 12:58:36 PM »
I am shooting a Browning A-bolt. My woodchuck load is 47.0 grains of IMR-4350 behind a 70 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip. This load hovers around .5-.75" for 3 shot groups. I have shot similar groups with Varget and IMR-4064 with this bullet. For deer, I load 42.0 grains of IMR-4350 behind a 95 grain Partition. This load will group about .9" for 3 shots. It is a little hot in my rifle, so I'll back down next year to 41.0-41.5 grains of powder.
I have not had great luck with lighter bullets. I have tried the Sierra Blitzking in 55 grain. I don't remember specifics,the bullets grouped well at lighter charges, but the velocity was less than I could get with the 70 grain bullets. When I got near max. loading the bullets were over the paper.
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2005, 12:15:17 PM »
Hi

I use a Ruger  Varminter 77 Mark ll  SS 26" Brl ...with 65 V-Max bullet for coyotes. H380 @ 45grains.   Have shot groundhogs past 200yds easily.   You can't go wrong with Ruger.
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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2005, 04:23:22 PM »
Like Hummer, I shoot 65 gr Hornady V-max using 44 gr of H-380 in my Ruger .243 with OAL of 2.65" for coyote hunting. This is the most accurate rifle I own and the most accurate load for my rifle having an average 3 shot group in the .400" to .500" @ 100 yds.

Like the others above, I really like this caliber. There is a great choice of bullet/powder combinations to choose from to fine tune your groups. I have never shot a bullet heavier than 80 gr in my rifle. This Ruger groups bullet weights from 65 to 80 gr really well. I have also used Varget powder with success.
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« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2005, 07:30:22 PM »
Had good results with IMR4350 when shooting either 85 or 100gr bullets. Switched to WW 760, get as good accuracy and velocity, easier to load.
Don't want to sound cheap, but work up a good load with 85 or 100 grain bullets and shoot varmints or whitetail. Had very good results with 100gr spitzer boat tails. Loaded them in a couple 788's, a Mod. 70, a 700 Rem.
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« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2005, 02:53:22 AM »
I have an ADL Rem 700 in 243.  I normally hunt with my 7MM MAG or 7MM-08, but carry the 243 sometimes.  I've never harvested anything with it.  On paper, it loves 85gr and 100gr Sierras.  IMR4350 and H4895 have proven the best so far.  It is an absolute pleasure to shoot.  It sure beats getting pounded by the 7MAG at the range :eek: .
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« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2005, 03:56:39 PM »
I have a rem 700 BDL and NEF handi rifle superlight in 243 I dropped two deer in their tracks last year using 95 gr nosler ballistic tips and  
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2005, 08:51:34 PM »
I, too, like the one gun, do it well theory. Although I do stray occasionally. When that gun was a .243, I also used one bullet. Simplifies things a lot. I shot 100 gr. Sierra spitzer boat tails for everything. For game up to white tails it was very potent, I never hunted or shot anything any larger. To 300 yards I had practicle "ground hog" trajectory. There is not that much differance in price (if any) for bullets of a differant weight. The confidence factor from shooting one gun, cal., bullet, load combo is very high.

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« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2005, 05:40:00 AM »
You don't kill deer on paper but take a look at ballistics tables on factory ammunition. If memory serves, you'll find the .243 has more retained energy at 300 yards than either the 250 Savage or the 257 Roberts and both of those rounds have killed a whole lot of deer in their time. Bullet placement is important but not just for small bores. Good bullets are are especially important in the small bores because with small bullets you need reliable expansion and weight retention

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2005, 01:34:09 AM »
Yup...three for me.  A Ruger 77 Ultralite, a Ruger #1 sporter and a Rem VLS.  I like the cartridge.  I can't decide if I want to use 100gr partitions or 95gr ballistic tips.  I've used both on fallow and wasn't real impressed.  I'd really have to think long and hard about using it on wild deer, like whitetail or mulie.

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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2005, 12:27:16 PM »
drdougrx

How do you like your Ultra lite??

I picked up one .243 also---a while back and still haven't got a chance to play with it yet.

Did you do any mods to the gun??? esp----the trigger.

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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2005, 12:48:58 PM »
I have a Pre-64 Winchester .243 Varminter with a Unertl 10X Vulture.  It will not win any bench rest matches but it will quickly dispatch ground hogs at an easy 250 yards.  This .243 likes 75 grain Sierra bullets better than 85's for some reason, even though I prefer the 85's.  I love what the .243 does to a ground hog.  They simply explode into a red cloud.

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« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2005, 05:56:30 AM »
I am with Redhawk1.  I shoot the 87 grain SP Hornady, with varget and H4831.  My 243 is remington model 7.  I have shot some really tiny (practically one hole)groups with this load.  The best part they are cheap.  Cabela's has them for $10.99 for 100.  To hunt whitetails, I use 95 grain Hornady SST Light Magnum.  I doubt the deer know the bullet is traveling 200 feet per second faster, but it makes me feel good. :wink:

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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2005, 06:56:52 AM »
I went with the 6mm over the 243. like the extra case. Shooting the 95gr Nos. BT powered by RL22 .  This is a ruger 77 walnut/blue. Shoots about a susan b at 200. Can't wait to try her on a yote.  Great on deer.

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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2005, 05:56:59 PM »
M77 all weather finally got it to shoot about an half inch with seirra 85's with imr 4064 powder. This thing wouldn't shoot a 100 grain bullet for nothing , until I tried some of my imr 4831 now I got the 100's down to half inch. I don't know how many deer I've killed with it but I never had to look for them after the shot. One bullet one deer , two bullets two deer and so on.....

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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2005, 11:06:48 AM »
This was my first season with my 6mm - Went one bullet one deer  - next bullet two deer - my first double - lined up perfect about 18'' apart - 95grNBT took themboth out.

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« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2005, 10:31:43 AM »
My son shoots a N E Arms/ H & R  Handi .243 and loves it. Low recoil, pretty darn accurate.  He has taken three deer in Texas with it, and his first coyote last winter in Texas as well.   Shooting plain old CorLokt Remington in an 80 grain .     This year was different though...he shot a 14 point in south Texas that we almost NEVER found.....about 110 yards..with a CorLokt 100 grain.   He made a great shot on the deer..perfect placement...we gave him 20 minutes , and we came out of the free standing double man tripod....and looked .  At the point of impact..and for a 5-10 yard radius...no blood.   None at all....we searched for over an hour until it got dark.   No trail , no blood.  Next morning , went out again....coyotes found the deer before we did.....yuck....14 point...very nice buck.   Shot placement was perfect......over 1/2 mile away from shot.   Last years deer dropped in 40 yards.  But last years deer was taken with an 80 grain .   So tell me what was the difference.?????   Why did this deer run that far????

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« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2005, 03:37:04 PM »
Ponydog...did the 100 grain bullet exit???? Did the 80 grain????

Probably the best .243 deer bullet going is the Sierra 85 grain GameKing HP.  Superbly accurate in my .243 Encore Custom Shop barrel (10" twist).

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« Reply #26 on: May 29, 2005, 05:51:36 AM »
I have never had it happen to me of but there is a good possibility that the bullet just zipped right through without touching any bones to cause exspansion. I believe this though if he were shot with any other gun in the same spot the same thing would have happened, I have never trusted a "behind the shoulder shot" just for that reason. I read a story in a Feild  and Stream magazine once about a guy who shot a big buck behind the shoulder and his buddy killed that deer something like a week later, feeding in the same area, with a hole behind his shoulder, there is a straight shot though a deer's boiler room that you won't hit any vitals, I always shoot em in the shoulder or lower neck, alot bigger target and they don't hardly wiggle after you pull the trigger.

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« Reply #27 on: May 29, 2005, 08:34:25 AM »
The key to getting a small caliber rifle to kill well is expansion.  Obviously it is much more necessary for a .224 or .243 diameter bullet to expand than is necessary with a .30 or larger diameter bullet, assuming the bullet holds together well enough to penetrate to the vitals.  Expansion is caused by speed.  The faster you drive a bullet the more it will upset and expand, all things constant.  For this reason in standard length barrels the 80 grain soft points, sierra 85 grain gameking bthp (my choice), or possibly a 95 grain hornady SST (a buddy started using them to hunt) might be a better choice.  I have also had less than inspirational results from the 100 grain corelokts, even on deer as large (read tougher- should cause more bullet upset) as the mature axis buck I killed a couple years ago.  I shot him in the lungs at 150 yards.  At the shot, he trotted off with the herd and ran out of steam some 125 yards from the point of impact.  Exit wound looked smaller than a quarter and there was almost no blood trail.  I then switched to the federal premium loading of the sierra 85 grain BTHP, with which I have had much success (and it shot more accurately in my rifle).  The load drops deer in their tracks and has enough integrity to blow though a whitetails shoulder to reach the vitals.  Broadside lung shots kill with full penetration and exit wounds, and to this date with 8 deer, and a few hogs to its credit nothing has moved farther than 25 yards from the point of impact with all but two animals literally dropping in their tracks.  The .243 isn't a bone crusher.  Care should be taken to tuck the shot just behind the shoulder, where small bores are most effective.

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« Reply #28 on: May 29, 2005, 05:25:02 PM »
Ohioyote

To answer your question ...yes..the 80 and 100 grain both exited...both holes looked about in the same place......the 8 point he killed the year before actually had no blood trail either......actually shot out of the same tripod...pretty much the same setup......very close to the same range.  I just could not believe after playing the video over and over, that the buck could have gone that far........the buck did the famous...."oh crap I'm hit " jump, and gave one farewell kick before he bolted....all on tape, we've watched it a few dozen times as you can imagine.  I will take some advice on an additional post , and try a different cartridge prior to this years Texas trip.  A 14 point Buck is hard to come by.....way too nice for a coyote snack .   Thanks for the input.
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« Reply #29 on: May 31, 2005, 08:45:34 AM »
In 1961 i bought NIB a savage 110 in .243.  Put a Redfield  2x7 scope on
  it, got that bad boy sighted in and it`s been a grocery delivering gun
   ever since.
   Only shoot  100 gr  Federal Premium  seems like those two where
   made for each other.  
   I`ve had to pick some shoots over the years due to brush and such but
   one shot kills are the norm. It shoots where you aim, every time.
   After over 40 years this .243 is still on top of it`s game. I got it
  originally because i wanted a lite rifle as i had been toteing a heavy azz
   30-06 for years . When you get old/older you`ll see what i mean.
    The sad part of this story is "she`s" now semi-retired. About 9 years
     i was lucky enough to find a really nice Savage 99 in .250. What a gun!  Shoots like a velvet glove( so to speak) As i mainly hunt deer  the above 2  calibers fit my style fine. Lite and look good at the same
  time. Life is good.

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