Author Topic: 410 Gauge (Read 830 times)

Good time Charlie · « **on:** December 07, 2004, 04:28:00 AM »

I just bought a H&R double barrel with side hammers in 410 gauge. Pat. Feb. 27 and I can not make out the year. any information on this gun will be greatly appreciated

single shot shooter · « **Reply #1 on:** December 07, 2004, 07:08:36 AM »

i wouldnt mind seeing a pic , cuz i've never seen or heard of a H&R hammer double.

Brett · « **Reply #2 on:** December 07, 2004, 02:57:30 PM »

Never knew such a thing existed. Try posting your query under the "Misc. H&R, Collectables & Handguns" section of this forum.

ScatterGunner · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2004, 03:40:24 PM »

that's a find !

i think you should send it to me for a few years of evaluation and field testing !

what did you pay for it ?

most likely it is what is called a "Hardware Gun". around that time period stores like montgomery & wards down to the local hardware store sold good field grade side by sides for reasonable prices. you will find shotguns like this made by stevens and springfield arms and a few others. i guess you found one made by H&R !

i have two .410 side by sides that have patent dates from the early 1900's, one is definitely a springfield arms and the other is most likely a guild gun. i can't identify the marks on the water table or barrel of the 2nd gun. guild guns were guns built by apprentices under the tutilage of master gunsmiths

guild guns are usually diamonds in the rough, great finds at gun shows and swap meets. typically, they don't command big bucks but are fine guns in every aspect of craftsmenship and durability. one of my best field guns is a belgium 16 gauge guild gun i bought for $250 with engraving that rivals some top end guns. it was probably made by some young gunsmith in belgium who was learning the trade. the only reason i know about this, and hardware guns, was because i brought the gun to an elderly gunsmith who was able to identify the markings on the belgium gun.

so have fun shooting it !!!

sg

Good time Charlie · « **Reply #4 on:** December 07, 2004, 03:55:59 PM »

It is a 410 shotgun but it has 44cal stamped on the rib between the barrels.

ScatterGunner · « **Reply #5 on:** December 07, 2004, 04:01:57 PM »

is it a double trigger or single trigger with a barrel select ?

some 410's can shoot 45 colts, like that handi survivor gun. the barrel markings must refer to some black power 44 caliber round. i've never seen a 44 cal marking on a 410 but i've never seen a lot of things !

are there any other markings on the barrel or on the water table ?

sg

Good time Charlie · « **Reply #6 on:** December 07, 2004, 04:26:15 PM »

It is a double trigger. No more markings.

ScatterGunner · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2004, 04:40:33 PM »

ok, so you have removed the barrel from the receiver and looked on the underside of the barrel, the flat part, that touchs the receiver, there are no marks ?

you will usually see a proof test mark of some sorts.

if you can, snap a digital picture and post here so we can check this most cool little gun out.

i find this kind of stuff one of the most interesting parts of the hobby. that is, trying to figure out the history behind a firearm !

sg

Good time Charlie · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2004, 12:49:41 PM »

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/Oldcharlie/410-3.jpg

Good time Charlie · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2004, 12:54:32 PM »

I will try to get my daughter to take some pics. with her good equipment.[/img]

ScatterGunner · « **Reply #10 on:** December 08, 2004, 01:20:59 PM »

sweet ! a hammer gun !!

that one is a keeper !

look on the water table for an indication of choke. it is probably full and full.

sg

single shot shooter · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2004, 02:04:25 PM »

44 cal refers to old blackpowder shot loads in .44 caliber casings.

Markus · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2004, 03:57:39 PM »

That's a sweet looking gun. Why can't they crank out something like that now?

single shot shooter · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2004, 04:47:10 PM »

i heard that markus. i wish they would make the new rifles/shotguns on the old small frame.
P.S charlie i sent you a PM