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Anyone use bismuth or heavy shot in ther ML shotgun
« on: December 09, 2004, 02:47:12 AM »
HI folks new here. Glad I found the sight lots of info but I am planning on water fowl hunting with a SxS 12 ga & was wondering if anyone has tried this. I have used heavyshot in a 20ga semi auto and a 12ga pump & it works like a charm. I don't think you would be able to get enought velocity out of steel or would have to use larger steel shot & decrease your patterns any thoughts :D
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2004, 02:47:08 PM »
I have a friend who has used heavy shot in a Pedersoli 12 sxs for the last two seasons. He swears by it. I have no idea what his load is, but if you want, I will find out.  Last year he told me what 5 pounds of the stuff cost. Getting to where I am getting Oltztimers , so I dont remember the price, but I remember thinking he was pulling my leg, until he showed me his sales slip !  Cowpox
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2004, 02:56:01 PM »
I know it is high $90 or so for 7 lbs so if you could find out the loads he uses for ducks & geese it could save me a little $ by not ordering the wrong shot size. Does he use shot cups/&or wads/ any info will help. I have used the shotshells & it works great
Thanks for the reply any info helps & at ther price of the shot you could almost buy anouther gun if you got too many sizes!! :eek:
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2004, 04:05:22 PM »
Sorry One Hole 45 70, I quit hunting waterfowl when steel shot became mandatory. I don't know what all he uses. He's a part time gunsmith, and I'm using his shop and tools to build a mountain rifle kit, so I'll get his loads from him tomorrow, and give them to you tomorrow evening when I get back. Cowpox
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2004, 04:12:53 PM »
Sounds like a plan, thanks the people here at greybeard are a great bunch.
Look forward to hearing from you cowpox.
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« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2004, 01:31:53 PM »
Belated hello again, One Hole 45 70, I missed Kip yesterday, as he went to his fishing shanty when he left work (part time gun smith, but full time Postmaster). I caught him today. Turns out I was wrong again ! He uses heavy shot only in his modern shotguns. He feels heavy shot is too hard for ML shotguns. especially the double guns. You know, the swage out the choke and separate the barrels thing. He uses Bismuth for waterfowl, and lead for everything else. His buys his wads from Track of the Wolf, so I will include Track's stock number after the wads in case you want to order from their online catalog. If you have their paper catalog, the wads are a couple of pages from the back. Here is his load. The spout on his flask throws 62 grains of 2f Triple seven, or 80 grains of 2f Swiss black. he has good luck with either. 1/8 inch Nitro card over the powder(12 ga.) #WAD 12 A, 14 ga. fiber cushion wad #WAD 14 C. He says you should soak the cushion wad in Olive oil, or melted lub, and it swells to 12 ga. The spout on his shot bag throws 1 1/4 ounce of bismuth or lead. Over the shot he uses a 12 ga. overshot #WAD 12 B.  He says that he has no trouble with the second charge loosening under recoil, but if you do (check the second barrel with your ram rod a few times, until you are sure it is staying tight), use two cards over the shot on the second barrel. He also told me to tell you that you should consider buying Track's Flameproof shotgun powder flask. They cost something over $50, but are worth every penny. He bought his shot bag from Track too, but says it is like every other one he has seen spout wise, so if you see one elsewhere for less money, buy that one.

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62 grains by volume 2f 777 (80 grains by volume 2f swiss)
1/8 inch 12 ga Nitro over powder card #WAD 12 A
14 ga lube soaked fiber cushion wad #WAD 14 C
1 1/4 ounce Bismuth or lead
12 ga over shot card #WAD 12 B  

Hope this helps,  Cowpox
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« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2004, 01:39:20 PM »
Opps, I forgot. The shot size he uses is # 4.  Cowpox
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2004, 02:50:05 AM »
Thanks for the info helps a bunch
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