Author Topic: Fore end bedding (Read 643 times)

Donaldo · « **on:** December 18, 2004, 04:07:28 PM »

I recently did some work on the fore end on my 223 UV. I had done all the tricks, o-ring, business card, etc. Even tried putting silicone glue between the fore end and the barrel. Course I use a release agent so it would not stick. The silicone did not seem to help. I have used a broom handle and sandpaper on my fore end so that there is no contact between the barrel and the fore end. However, I may be on to something. I still have the small o-ring on the lug, but the other day I put a gob, (Fred is that a technical term?) of epoxy on each side of the fore end attachment lug, actually in the fore end. Just forward and backward of the oval hole in the fore end. A strip about 3/4 inch wide on each side of the lug. Screwed the fore end back on with only a slight amount of pressure. Let it set up good. Yes I use a release agent on the barrel. Yesterday I got a chance to got to the range. Nice day, no wind, 60-65 degrees, to try out some loads using H335 and 40 grn Vmax. I almost always shoot a few fouling shots of something to warm up the barrel. Then I switched to the WW white box econo stuff. The 45 grn JHP's. The result was a 5 shot group of about 0.587" at 100 yds. Went on and shot my handloads, nothing even close to the WW45JHP's. Went out to 200 yards. They, the WW45JHP's, gave me a 5 shot group of 1.610". Will have to see if this bedding can be improved on. Really hacks me off that I can't seem to find a handload that is better than the factory WW 45 JHP stuff. Will have to keep trying, gives me something to do. My handloads were about 0.165 off the lands. If I remember right the COL was about 2.280. I think the WW45JHP stuff is 2.200. Think I will load up some stuff starting at 2.200 and increase it by 0.010 each time and see if I can find a sweet spot. I guess I am rambling some here, sorry for being so long winded.

JPH45 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 18, 2004, 07:49:44 PM »

Interesting, I have found that rasping out the screw hole in the fore arm and not cranking down is when putting the forearm on helps a bunch. Th fore arm I am currently using on my 30-30 is actually from my 357. It is a laminated semi beaver tail. The two barrels are slightly different in contour, the 30-30 being a little thinner (but not superlight thin) The forearm actually moves a little on the rifle, but the Remington 150 SP (GREEN BOX, ala Mortie) went from shooting 1" at 50 yards to clover leaf caliber size holes :eek: The Nosler 180 Partitions I experimented a bit with shot under an inch too. I am trying out the Sierra 150 Pro Hunter tomorrow. Will be interesting to see how it shoots.

v8r · « **Reply #2 on:** December 19, 2004, 03:55:18 AM »

I think it's a conspiriacy.Winchester and H&R got together and designed ammunition for the handi rifles. :-D :-D :-D It's kind of funny how nobody can really get much better than the bulk pack 45 grainers.maybe someone can dissasemble a cartridge and reverse engineer them.I tell you it's a conspiracy,man. :-D :-D

MSP Ret · « **Reply #3 on:** December 19, 2004, 04:30:26 AM »

who cares, as long as they keep doing it, and cheaply too!!! Now if they could only make a nice soft point or even better, a silvertip bullet in that bulk pack!!!....<><.... :grin:

quickdtoo · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2004, 05:57:31 AM »

Quote from: v8r

I think it's a conspiriacy.Winchester and H&R got together and designed ammunition for the handi rifles. :-D :-D :-D It's kind of funny how nobody can really get much better than the bulk pack 45 grainers.maybe someone can dissasemble a cartridge and reverse engineer them.I tell you it's a conspiracy,man. :-D :-D

Donaldo already did!

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I pulled a bullet and weighed the load, if I remember it was 26.5 grains of what looked like a simi ball powder.

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=290048&highlight=#290048

32-20 wcf · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2004, 06:33:36 AM »

I got my current .223 as a trade-in, "that wouldn't shoot".
I took it home, put a Sportster stock set on it[with o ring], polished the chamber, bedded the scope rail,installed a Bushy 4x12 AO scope and headed to the targets.

Same story, nothing shoots as well as the Winny varmint pack 45gr. jhp.

Period!!

quickdtoo · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2004, 07:09:13 AM »

32-20 wcf, welcome aboard!

The win value pack is a universal good shooter, I see posts on other boards that say the same thing in all kinds of rifles, not just handis. I don't think I've ever seen a poster say it didn't shoot well in their rifle!

cricman · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2004, 01:56:18 PM »

Just curious,

How is the WW45JHP bullet secured in the case mouth? Is it in a cannelure, or some other type of crimp, or simply a friction fit. Is there any sign of sealing material (i.e. water proofer) that influences the initial release of the bullet from the case mouth? I've read the treatise that Richard Lee wrote concerning the Lee factory crimp dies, and it seems to make sense (concerning the pressure curve, jump to the lead, etc,...) Maybe that's the magic ingredient.

Also, is there anything unusual about the ogive of the bullet that is different than some of the other offerings of the same or similar weights?

I'm sure most of the die-hard reloaders have considered these variables, but I missed them in previous posts.

Just some food for thought,

cricman

Long Live the Handi-Rifle!

Donaldo · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2004, 09:02:34 PM »

It has been a while since I pulled a bullet on the WW45JHP factory round but I don't think it had a cannelure (sp?), you know, one of them funny looking grooves. And to tell you the truth, when you look at the meplat, (Am I good Fred or what?), the point, it looks like I crimped the point together myself. Just a bunch of wrinkles in the jacket material. I have weighed a bunch of the cases and they are very close to the same weight, seems like about 96 to 97 grains. This means something on the order of less than 1% variance in case weight. I would assume they are using WW primers. I will say the bullet seemed to be in the case rather tight but don't look crimped. Took about 3 swats with the Quinetics puller to get it loose. I am not familiar with WW powders but bet it was something like 748 or thereabouts. It had a look like irregular shaped pellets of slightly different sizes. Still would be a ball or spherical powder, I guess. Nothing like H380 or H414 or H335, which I use. Anyway I am going to do some more speermenting, I think this thing has real possibilities now, was not so sure a while back. Got to figure out how to get the pressure of shooting off the fore arm someway. Sat in church this morning drawing pictures of the handi action, trying to figure this out. It is a sickness is it not. My name is Donaldo, and I am a handiholic. Help me please....... :-D :-D :-D Hey...in rereading this I just had an idea. Lets pull some bullets and replace them with some 45 grn Vmax or TNT's or Nosler BT. or maybe even some Bergers.....umm....Can't wait now....got a mess of stuff to do before Christmas, then Christmas, maybe after Christmas I will get a chance. Anyone else get a chance do it and tell us. Merry Christmas all.