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« on: December 20, 2004, 09:31:24 AM »
Doing Time . . .
And Doing It Time and Time Again
By Matthew T. Mangino

Sunday, December 19, 2004; Page B02


In 1994, John Popovich, a 34-year-old convicted felon, was found guilty on charges of forging a drug prescription -- a crime committed almost exclusively by substance abusers. He was sentenced to five years probation.

During the 10 years since, he has violated his probation and then his parole eight times. By July 1, 2004, Popovich had served more than two years in jail, even though his original sentence did not require jail time.

Today, Popovich sits in a state correctional facility, having been resentenced to a prison term of 2 1/2 to five years. Popovich doesn't deserve pity; he has a criminal record dating back to 1981. He also committed at least two additional criminal offenses while on probation. But his case, which I have followed with growing dismay, highlights the need to make real changes in the rehabilitation and treatment of prisoners in order to end the cycle of re-incarceration.

Every page of Popovich 's lengthy criminal history is evidence not only of enormous waste of public resources but also of a correctional system that has run amok. So much so, that I sometimes feel as if we are operating a revolving door in the courtrooms here in Lawrence County, just north of Pittsburgh, where Popovich is only one of many repeat offenders. Our experience is not unusual. State and local governments are being crushed under the fiscal demands of America's prison system. Cells across the country are full, not because of mandatory sentencing or the incarceration of drug offenders, but because the system produces thousands of people like Popovich every day, having repeatedly failed to help them gain the skills necessary to manage life on the outside.

We are incarcerating more people for longer periods than at any time in our history. That number isn't just increasing; it is soaring. In 1980, the United States had approximately 316,000 inmates in state and federal prisons; by 2000, there were 1.3 million. Currently, we have more than 2 million people incarcerated when you add together federal, state and local jails, not to mention an additional 4.8 million people who are on parole or probation, totaling approximately 3.2 percent of the adult U.S. population.

Behind those numbers lie patterns of behavior that could be treated. Nearly 75 percent of people who enter the prison system have substance abuse problems; they are drug addicted or alcohol dependent. Nearly one in five has mental health issues. There are few life sentences in this country. Virtually everyone who goes into prison eventually gets out, and many go right back.

Here is the irony of the situation: As the cost of maintaining and expanding prisons has increased, most of the funds that states set aside to help prisoners make the transition from prison to life outside have been slashed. In 1991, one in four state prison inmates received treatment for drug addiction. By 1997, one in 10 received treatment. This has occurred even in light of research suggesting inmates in federal prison who receive residential drug treatment are 73 percent less likely to be rearrested.

Of course, the lack of support for inmates goes beyond drug treatment. A significant majority of released inmates face challenges in housing, education, employment and the availability of assistance on release from incarceration. Imagine yourself as an unskilled, unemployed, homeless parolee, possibly prohibited from getting a driver's license, student loans or even access to public housing. What are your options?

Few, as Popovich found out. Sixty-seven percent of parolees nationwide are rearrested or back in prison within three years.

The costs of this are staggering. Between 1980 and 2000, when the total prison population quadrupled from 500,000 to 2 million, corrections' share of all state and local spending doubled while education's share of all state and local spending dropped by 21 percent. In fact, state spending on incarceration increased annually by 6.2 percent, outpacing health care at 5.8 percent, education at 4.2 percent and natural resources at 3.3 percent.

There is another way to look at how we are spending money on prisoners. The average annual cost to incarcerate an inmate in state prison is $22,650, according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics. If the cost of meaningful substance abuse treatment, skills training and reentry support added 25 percent to the cost of incarceration and reduced recidivism by 25 percent, states would face a short-term loss, then break even within six years and save money within nine. More importantly, there would be 75 to 100 fewer victims of crime for every 100 inmates during that period. With fewer victims, the nearly $450 billion in annual losses experienced by crime victims would also begin to decrease. Not to mention that 37 former inmates would be gainfully employed, paying taxes, raising families and contributing to the local, state and federal economies.

Unfortunately, few people think in these terms, and they often confuse the cause for the burgeoning prison population with measures designed to get tough on crime. Because of mandatory sentencing, criminals who committed multiple violent offenses, used weapons or sold drugs have been put behind bars. Such efforts have had an impact on violent crime. However, those who have paid their debt to society should be given an opportunity to succeed upon reentry into society. Instead they are being dumped on the street to fend for themselves and will eventually feed the cycle of reincarceration.

To complicate matters, in an effort to deal with the soaring costs, government leaders are arbitrarily releasing inmates. Kentucky, Oklahoma and Texas, to name a few, are opening prison doors, often commuting sentences or repealing mandatory drug sentences. This shortsighted reaction does nothing but put citizens at risk.

Parole and probation officers, burdened by ever-larger caseloads, struggle with their evolving roles in the criminal justice system. Inmates are normally released conditionally, for a period of parole for which they must comply with rules and regulations monitored by a parole officer.

With the enormous caseload that most parole officers handle -- 50 percent higher on average than it was in the mid-'70s -- interactive supervision has given way to electronic surveillance, rigid drug testing and mandatory reporting. Instead of providing support for a former inmate, parole officers have become quasi-law enforcement. They carry guns, wear badges and often re-incarcerate parolees for technical violations like failing to report or failing a drug test.

In 1985, 70 percent of parolees successfully completed their parole periods. By 2003, fewer than 47 percent were making it through their parole periods, according to national averages for state prisons. Those who violate their parole and are re-incarcerated account for 35 percent of all prison admissions -- the fastest growing area of incarceration.

There is some reason for hope. Organizations like the Chicago Project for Violence Prevention at the University of Illinois at Chicago, for example, provides innovative programs aimed at treating violence as a disease. The Chicago program, called CeaseFire, uses ex-offenders in much the way Alcoholics Anonymous uses recovering alcoholics to convey a message of recovery and hope. Some suggest that CeaseFire is part of the reason the homicide count in Chicago has dropped significantly from last year's nation-leading numbers. There were 393 homicides through the beginning of November 2004, down 126 from the same time the previous year.

Many progressive counties are considering reentry programs to assist former inmates to reintegrate into their communities. The programs vary in scope, but the emphasis is on providing life skills, employment opportunities, housing options and educational enhancement. Drug and alcohol treatment, mental health services and behavioral disorders are also provided. Through such efforts, the goal of local government is to help former inmates become productive, law-abiding citizens.

The federal government has also acknowledged that helping ex-offenders successfully reenter society can prevent and deter future criminal acts, although it has not allocated anywhere near the amount of resources needed to deal with the problem.

If men and women like John Popovich are to have a good chance of making a go of it on the outside, governors and state legislatures will ultimately have to deal with this issue, even in an era of declining state budgets. Logic dictates that re-incarcerating two out of every three offenders is a costly, self-defeating effort. A public official can still be tough on criminals while being smart on crime prevention by reducing the cycle of incarceration and, in turn, reducing costs and victimization.

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matthewmangino@aol.com

Matthew Mangino is the district attorney of Lawrence County in western Pennsylvania. He also serves on the executive committee of the Pennsylvania District Attorneys Institute. He was a Democratic candidate for Congress in 2000.
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2004, 12:38:01 PM »
The answer;
  Make the term of sentence for such crimes shorter but tougher...exterenly hard labor and nothing else.
   
   Work em till they are ready to crash ...then sleep....then back to work!

   They may not be so eager to return to incarceration...
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2004, 01:10:46 AM »
Glow-
Not real sure this will work. Addiction, dependance and mental related individuals do not respond to threats, harsh treatment, or logical concepts as the mentally healthy and undependent do.
It takes a change of the will and mind, not force upon the will and mind.
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« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2004, 01:20:37 AM »
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Addiction, dependance and mental related individuals do not respond to threats, harsh treatment, or logical concepts as the mentally healthy and undependent do.
It takes a change of the will and mind, not force upon the will and mind.
Dali Llama opine that sufficient quantity and severity of the latter will change the former. :twisted:  :evil:  :x
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2004, 03:18:53 AM »
We have long heard the old saw that liberals often raise concerning capital punishment:

  "Capital punishment DOESN"T deter the crime of murder!"

   I heartily disagree with that obviously false statement.

   Of the couple dozen murderers that the state of Texas has executed in recent years...there is NO RECORD of even one of them murdering again!

            ......That's deterence....!
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2004, 07:36:42 AM »
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  Of the couple dozen murderers that the state of Texas has executed in recent years...there is NO RECORD of even one of them murdering again!

            ......That's deterence....!
Amen, respond Dali Llama!!! :agree:  :D
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« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2004, 07:43:26 AM »
OH is that what ya ment. Well it does put a stop to that guy, so therefore, I agree.
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« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2004, 07:49:54 AM »
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OH is that what ya ment. Well it does put a stop to that guy, so therefore, I agree.
...albeit reluctantly, inquire Dali Llama? :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2004, 07:53:20 AM »
No sir, wholeheartily.
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« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2004, 08:04:20 AM »
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No sir, wholeheartily.
:eek: That be good to hear, remark Dali Llama. :o
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2004, 08:39:06 PM »
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The answer;
  Make the term of sentence for such crimes shorter but tougher...exterenly hard labor and nothing else.
   
   Work em till they are ready to crash ...then sleep....then back to work!

   They may not be so eager to return to incarceration...


Hard work would cure the over crowding problem. 16 hour shifts 3 men to a bunk 1 sleeps while the other 2 work.
I've always thought that each crime should have a price tag in years.
You commit the crime your time is automatic when convicted.
If your time adds up to more than 20 year you are executed.
While incarcerated you only have basic human rights, not the right to chunky peanut butter.
All prisoners upon release must have either a highschool diploma or GED.
All prisons should be work farms if they cant raise it they don't eat it.

But then some folks think I'm a hard a$$

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« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2004, 11:44:00 PM »
Prisons and hard conditions do not necessarily change a persons attitudes. sometimes this only galvanizes a person. I see some of that attitude in folks around here, and that is not necessarily a bad way to be.
Some of the folks we are talking about are just hard, they have need to want change, others can not force it on them.
It is a true statement that prisons only produce better criminals. Hard conditions, I think, only harden and produce a harder product.
Prisons should be a place of change or an opportunity for change. It is true that many will never change.
Those that do not wish this change will not and that is a true reason for execution.
Those that are less likely to change are what are commonly known as petty and career criminals. I sometimes think that burglars and thieves are better candidates for execution than a murderer that has committed such a crime in rage. Course lots of folks do not see that.
Prisons are not the country clubs many of you boys think they are.
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2004, 01:35:18 AM »
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Prisons and hard conditions do not necessarily change a persons attitudes. I see some of that attitude in folks around here, and that is not necessarily a bad way to be.

they have need to want change, others can not force it on them.

It is a true statement that prisons only produce better criminals.

Hard conditions, I think, only harden and produce a harder product.

Prisons should be a place of change or an opportunity for change.

By golly, Dali Llama say it appear that williamlayton be justifying support for Amnesty International and similar causes!! :twisted:  :x  :evil:
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« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2004, 02:11:07 AM »
Well, you would, once again, be wrong.
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« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2004, 07:50:40 AM »
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Well, you would, once again, be wrong.
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« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2004, 03:40:42 PM »
I've worked at a state prision for 8 years now and at the same place for 2 years when the parish ran this facility( county for the non Louisiana residents). It's a small one around 600 or so with another 130 beds to open next year for elderly and first time offenders. The thing with doing time is how you do it if you are in the right frame of mind you can turn your self around pick your self up and dust your self off and set a new course. We have lots of folks doing hard labor it could mean working in the 300 ac garden,  the kitchen , in maintance , picking up trash off the road side and the list goes on. We have in place many programs for self improvement, but most of them just use them as a way of getting out of work. And I hate to disagree with anyone but I think they are far to EZ . I spent 20 years in the military active duty. It was tougher than doing "TIME". You give most of them a break with the better jobs I manage one of the above sections and have seen just about all the con games from makeing hooch,  to stealing, to chatching inmates in the act of sex, and the list goes on . Do I have the answer NO I don't but the system is ever evolving but for the most part it is by the nature of the beast.  I've seen ones leave that I have great hope's for and others that I would not cut the first break for as far as giving them a job working for me some have come back too the instution so burnt out that I hardly knew them . Sorry to rant  but what the heck  just my 2 cents            Bob
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« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2004, 03:48:41 PM »
William;
  Consider this factor that I am sure includes many of us;

     " I believe that hard work dignifies a man!"

     During my earlier working years I worked at many heavy, hard jobs such as:

  1) Paper carrier on pipeline construction (26" line)...with the D8s (583 pipeliners) holding and wrapping the pipe with building paper and a hot, tar like bitumastic...it was my job, along with one other man to get the 125# rolls of paper from a trailing sledge and RUN with it to the wrapping rig.
   Adding to the effort ...it was here in these Allegany mountains where some hills were so steep, the D8s had to winch each other up and down..

 2) For several years I worked at a brickyard; sometimes sorting and palleting bricks ...other times two men had to load a box car to about a 3' level with bricks. We had a ten brick tong in each hand and were expected to finish loading before shift end..

  3) For many years I worked at  farm silo construction (concrete stave).
During the winter we made the staves and stacked them out doors after kiln drying...staves 88#, doors 126# and solid doors 236#.
  Stacking these staves and doors was figured by an "efficency expert"..each yard worker moved 250 foot tons per 8 hour day in temperatures ranging to -20 ( any colder, the stave machine didn't work well)..
  Then when summer arrived, we built the silos...just as hard work only higher up!

       I didn't mind doing it, in fact I was proud of it...not EVERYONE could do it.


   All the time I was working like that, Uncle Sam and NY State were grabbing a healthy chunk of my earnings....and a decent portion went to "room and board" the jailbirds, who didn't have to work like that...

    Are those jailbirds better than the honest working man, that he should have to work like that to support them in their libraries and gymnasiums?

   Frankly; i think they should be given the opportunity to enjoy the dignity of helping to "pay their own way".
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« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2004, 04:50:59 PM »
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   Are those jailbirds better than the honest working man, that he should have to work like that to support them in their libraries and gymnasiums?

   
NO, answer Dali Llama!!!
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« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2004, 09:26:41 PM »
To doubt would indicate thinking, Dali, Hummm. I do doubt that.
Texas is and has been one of the tougher systems historically. I have been intimate with this system for 40 years. It was a system in disrepair and was simply a stop over for many.
Prisons do not change people. Prisons MAY influence people, they may give the opportunity for self reflection but it reverts back to the individual as to the benefit received.
Many in this system have taken advantage of the opportunities and others have abused the opportunity.
All inmates work, well, except for those who must be confined for the benefit of everbody including themselves.
I am not advancing a stance of coddling, this works as well as harsh and brutal treatment.
Folks there are some folks who refuse to fit into society--There are two things we can do with em--Keep em or kill em. I really doan care.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2004, 01:24:27 AM »
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Prisons do not change people. Prisons MAY influence people, they may give the opportunity for self reflection
Dali Llama opine that purpose of prison not be "opportunity for self reflection." :twisted:  :evil:   Dali say that prisoners should be kept busy with hard labor beneficial to society whose rules they disobeyed, not gazing in some reflecting pool of williamlayton's imagination. :twisted:  :x  :evil:
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« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2004, 02:04:24 AM »
Well you are wrong, once again.
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« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2004, 02:55:38 AM »
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Well you are wrong, once again.
Dali Llama say he think differently, and believe that majority of others here agree with him on this matter.
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« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2004, 03:08:53 AM »
I do not recall asking for a vote of confidence. I do believe if you examine yourownself you will discover some amount of hardheadiness, which is the tendency of these we are talking about.
As I said in the beginning, everybody has the right to choose their own path, but, must accept responsibility for it, or change.
Hardheadiness is not in and of itself completey bad.
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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2004, 12:17:45 PM »
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I do not recall asking for a vote of confidence. I do believe if you examine yourownself you will discover some amount of hardheadiness
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« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2004, 12:40:54 PM »
Truce guys. Time for this exchange to end and to move on to other discussions.


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« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2004, 01:21:11 AM »
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Truce guys. Time for this exchange to end and to move on to other discussions.
OK, say Dali Llama. :(
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