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« on: December 22, 2004, 01:25:43 PM »
Texas hunters know what I am talking about here.   Two different  (at least) points of view here.  Game farming/ranching is a big business here but do the native deer belong to the state or the land owner?
  I have hunted on a rance for some time that all of the sudden found the boundry ranches putting up high fence to keep in the game.  Some of that game was most definetly transient between numerous properties.  On the other hand, those with the "where-with-all" to manage such a operation gain considerably.  Is this a great American freedom at work or an infringment on the free roaming game concept.  What about the guy who is also raising exotics on his property?  So many questions.  What do you think?  GG

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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2004, 04:44:17 PM »
I bet this is a touchy subject!  IMHO a pen is a pen, whether its 5' X 5' or it's 25,000 acres.  I think I would love the opportunity to manage a high fence property, and all of the challenges that would go along with it. Being able to watch certain animals mature would be great, but then to sell them to a "hunter" for a "trophy" hunt?  I guess because I'm not involved in anything like this I have a hard time getting comfortable with the idea.

Just my OPINION.

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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2004, 04:58:22 PM »
couldn't agree with you more... it would be a fun to manage one of those places.  i'm not a fan of high fences but i wouldn't deny someone the opportunity to do whatever they think it fun... i just wish those people would seriously consider the bad press their actions can bring on all hunters.

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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2004, 05:28:42 PM »
The bottom line is that the state of Texas has been hippocritical on this issue from the time the first "game fence" was erected. The game animals of this state are supposed to belong to the people of the state (the term people used collectively, meaning ALL the people), but fences that restrict their free movement make them essentially belong to landowners. The state still claims that native game animals belong to the public, yet allows landowners to erect fences that restrict their free movement. You just can't have it both ways. In word the state claims game animals are public, but in action and deed they have allowed them to be privatized.

Whether this is a good or bad thing is purely in the eyes of the beholder. Watching a game fence go up is sure to stir passions one way or another. To the hunter on the free range side, who can't afford to own enough land to "manage" the deer population, a high fence can mean restricted deer traffic and reduced opportunity to hunt. To the landowner who erects the high fence, it represents the ability to carefully manage the deer population without crippling interference from others who do not share the same goals of management, and are not willing to make the sacrifices necessary to attain a high quality population.

It is my personal opinion that all high fences should be outlawed. The game animals should in fact belong to the public, and no landowner, however large or influential, should be allowed to confine these naturally free-ranging animals. There is no other fair way to do it. If game fences are allowed, then the animals become essentially personal property and may no longer be accessed by the public.

I also think that harvest should be regulated by acreage. Permits by sex should be issued to landowners or lessees based on population density. No more than the quota of animals allowed by permit should be harvested per tract of land. This would eliminate much of the need for high fences, because large numbers of animals could not be harvested on smaller acreages ajoining larger tracts on which deer are managed intensely. Five hunters could not kill five deer on a 50 acre tract, for example, if the tract had a quota of only one deer. Permits on land of less acreage than that required to sustain one deer harvested annually would have to receive permits on a rotating basis, one permit every two or three years, as the case may be. This would reduce overhunting of areas divided into smaller tracts.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2004, 03:41:36 AM »
Quite a touchy subject.  Like Huntsman, I wish high fences were outlawed, but doubt that will ever happen.  Too many dollars flow into the economy from those places and the rich men who hunt them.

Here is my reason for my opinion.  Someone of meager means, works hard all his/her life, manages to buy a little place to retire on, so 50 to 60 acres.  He isn't gonna sublease his little place, he jsut wants peace and quiet and maybe shoot a couple of deer each season.

Suddenly all of this neighbors high fence around him and now he sees nothing n the way of wild game.   It may seems farfetched, but it does happen.  

About issung permits based on land size.  That might work with some tweaking.  I recall a 40 acre place in the hill country where the absent owner leased it to 4 or 5 guys to day hunt.   I found so many feeders and blinds on our fence line and the traffic was incredible, not to mention how suddenly we weren't seeing deer or other game at all.

When questioned by a neighbor, two of the guys said they had leased the place and really had no idea how large, or small, a tract of land it was.  They were shown where to hunt by the owner and that was that.

When I someday buy my retirement place, I hope to be able to afford something large and have family to buy places next to it.  Hopefully it won't be high fenced in some day.
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2004, 06:01:06 AM »
Well...we all know the saying about opinions! I personally don't see any sport in "Canned Hunts".....Kind of like going hunting for a tiger or an elephant at the Zoo...WoW!!!..! :roll:  I saw a video a while back about a lion hunt on a private "preserve?". There were about 4 people present...3 with rifles and one "girlfriend" of the "big hunter". cornered the lion at a fenced corner and shot him...he retaliated by running and attacking the shooter...he got off a couple more shots while he was no doubt filling his shorts and the lion knocked him down and came at him again while the other two guys emptied their rifles at him... :roll: They finally cornered him again and killed him.....everyone high fiving and the girlfriend of Bwana was obviously impressed....WoW!!!  What a bunch of BS... :oops:   Unfortunately the lion was the only one shot in all the shooting.... :(.......................Ok back to the real meat of this post....I don't own any land so I can't comment on how pissed I'd be if I found "Freeloaders" camped out on my fence line or tresspassing and waiting for an opportunity to pop an animal that I feed and provide for.... :wink: :money:
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2004, 08:12:20 AM »
Hmmm. Ok I might as well interject my opinion here.

I live in the state of Massachusetts and primarily hunt the Massachusetts, Connecticut and sometimes New Hampshire or Maine. In the northeast, high fencing pretty much doesn't exist. I always wondered why some wealthy individuals in the past didn't buy up a lot of farm land and make a shooting preserve for their cronies . I had jury duty and looked up the various laws at the courthouse library.

Basically, the only shooting preserves that are allowed are for game birds and during certain times of the year. So it seems that in my state  a high fence operation would be outlawed.

 I also want to say that there is a certain attitude that the game belongs to the public and shouldn't be fenced in. I was talking with a taxidermist who has access to Corbin Park, 32,000 acre hunting preserve for an exclusive membership( if you want to join, it will cost you 250,000 to buy a share and then 35,000 a year. So the average hunter will never get in.) He told my dad and I that the place was formed around WW@ when acreage was really cheap in New Hampshire. He said that the last parcel was fought in court. A farmer refused to sell to the group and won the court case, but they made it a "living hell " for him. So he eventually sold.
I believe people are afraid of something like this happening again.

I hunted once in Texas about two summers ago. I went after feral hogs unsucessfully and saw how one large rancher fenced in his property. There were smaller tracts of land in and around and I thought to myself that these people are stuck. It would almost be worthless to own a 20 acre plot next to such an operation as the game would be prevented from travelling to and from such areas.

So I do believe that if a plot of land has native game, the fence needs to be down. If a landowner is going to run a high fence, it should be done as to lessen any impact on neighbors.

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« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2004, 05:17:09 PM »
No thank you i don't like to hunt out of zoo's

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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2004, 06:07:40 PM »
i find it interesting that the only replies here are negative... if you post a question like, "where can i go to shoot a buffalo in penn" you'll get all sorts of replies for hardcore highfence fans... were are these guys now?  my dad always said, "don't do something you're afraid to admit you did."  seems appropriate now.

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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2004, 04:00:44 AM »
Here is the real deal, in Texas land owners have special rights. The Texas way is "this is my land and I will do with it what I want" and don't let me catch you on or near MY land or else. That is the way it is and is going to be.

I hate that attitude but it how it is. That way of thinking is so ingrained in the culture that it will not change. Fine, but how about this-

If he deer and game belong to the state of Texas why do the land owners
not have to pay the state for the privatization of the herd they just enclosed?  Lets say you own 3000 acres of land and want to high fence it.
(I do not agree but....) In my opinion if the state biologist say the average
number of deer in your area is 20 per square mile you should have to
pay for the 93.75 deer you took from the state.


 Lets say you were not an ethical hunter and went out one night and shot
 a doe on the side of the road. Lets then say the game warden gets you
and give you a ticket for poaching a deer. I have heard that the fines are
two parts. 1) for the criminal act. 2) restitution for the deer and the deer's
offspring.


So let's then assume the fine is around $800.00 (just a round number I have no idea what the fine would really be). So $800x93.75 per deer=$75,000
That is what the land owner should have to pay the state and the citizens for putting up a high fence and "poaching " the deer from the state.

Basically a fee for  the breed stock.
If you were a cattle rancher you would have pay breed stock to start your
business. So why does a land owner get special favor when it comes to deer?

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« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2004, 06:41:11 AM »
could not of said it better

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« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2004, 06:41:11 AM »
could not of said it better

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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2004, 11:29:42 AM »
ok, here goes,....just my 2 cents and from my personal experience (this past week and season).

I would dearly love to have a high fence and would put one up in a heartbeat if I could afford the $4.30 a foot charge construction would begin tomorrow.
As far as the deer belonging to the state, that is VERY TRUE, but if we are splitting hairs, what state dept. do I send the bill to for them eating MY browse?
Just this past week the idiot neighbor on my NE side shot a buck that I had passed on trying to let grow.  He let one of his beer drinking buddies shoot it.  Another bar stool buddy also shot a buck off of his place.  I know of 3 bucks shot off of this little 124 acre "ranch."  His blind and deer feeder ofcourse are RIGHT on the fenceline.  Why should I let deer mature with neighbors like this?
The WORST experience is with a 20 acre neighbor on the southside that I surround on 3 sides.  They have killed 4 bucks this year on only 20 acres!!  Yes, you guessed it, I can lean across the fence and touch their feeder.  Nothing would make me happier than to game fence my ranch and watch the 20 acre piss ant "hunt" all the deer he can find on his own land!
I have 8 feeders surrounding my property (that I can see).
So please no self rightous talk about how high fences are evil, they are a godsend to proper game management and protection from terrible neighbors.

just my 2 cents..................................

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2004, 11:37:41 AM »
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Here is the real deal, in Texas land owners have special rights. The Texas way is "this is my land and I will do with it what I want" and don't let me catch you on or near MY land or else. That is the way it is and is going to be.

I hate that attitude but it how it is. That way of thinking is so ingrained in the culture that it will not change. Fine, but how about this-

If he deer and game belong to the state of Texas why do the land owners
not have to pay the state for the privatization of the herd they just enclosed?  Lets say you own 3000 acres of land and want to high fence it.
(I do not agree but....) In my opinion if the state biologist say the average
number of deer in your area is 20 per square mile you should have to
pay for the 93.75 deer you took from the state.


 Lets say you were not an ethical hunter and went out one night and shot
 a doe on the side of the road. Lets then say the game warden gets you
and give you a ticket for poaching a deer. I have heard that the fines are
two parts. 1) for the criminal act. 2) restitution for the deer and the deer's
offspring.


So let's then assume the fine is around $800.00 (just a round number I have no idea what the fine would really be). So $800x93.75 per deer=$75,000
That is what the land owner should have to pay the state and the citizens for putting up a high fence and "poaching " the deer from the state.

Basically a fee for  the breed stock.
If you were a cattle rancher you would have pay breed stock to start your
business. So why does a land owner get special favor when it comes to deer?


to carry this idea further, say that I am a cattle rancher and want to put my animals on somebody else's land.  I would have to pay them a lease fee for the grazing rights.
Therefore,....to transfer this to deer.  The state owns the deer.....where do I spend the bill for the state's deer for their "browsing fee"???  A deer counts as .6 of a animal unit when commuting stocking rates.  This directly affects the number of livestock a rancher can run on his place.  Shouldn't the state then reimburse the rancher for the money he is loosing because the state's deer are lowering his stocking rates??

just another way to look at this is all..........................  :grin:

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2004, 11:55:31 AM »
Why bother getting a license? Why should someone  fence in all the game and prevent others from enjoying a hunt without having to pay through the nose .

If someone shoots a deer that crossed a property boundary, then that is the way it is. I remember hunting on a friends property in Connecticut waiting for a buck that I knew was using a trail I set a stand up on.

Well, near the end of shooting light I heard a shot on the adjacent property. I wasn't happy but I got over it. That is the way it is.

I sometimes wonder if a good lawsuit would change things. I know that in the past, a "spite fence" could be erected to force some one  to move or alienate them. Laws were passed against such things. I wonder if that could be done to someone who cuts off someone's camp?

I don't have a problem with an enclosure ( such as an exotic game preserve )as long as it doesn't cut off the natural game trails and overtly affects neighboring property owners.

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« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2004, 04:24:28 PM »
Well, I sort of see it like this.  If I OWN the land, and I pay property taxes on the land, then if I want I can certainly put a fence around my personal property and no one can stop me.  This is America, by the way.

And as far as hunting ethics, what's worse, hunting free ranging animals in a large fenced in enclosure, or putting up automatic corn feeders on a 20 acre low fenced plot?  While I will admit that there are some non-ethical canned hunts, just the fact that a ranch is high fenced does not in itself make it an unethical hunt.  Anyone that says that it does has obviously not hunted a large high fenced ranch.  I will assure you that the deer don't know they are fenced in.  But I will also assure you that all the deer in the area of that automatic feeder on the 20 acre plot know where it is and when it goes off.  

So if you guys want to bitch about something, maybe you should bitch about spot feeding of wild game by automatic corn feeders for the sole purpose of attracting them to 'shooting fields' that even a novice hunter should be able to make a kill over.

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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2004, 02:05:15 AM »
I agree that I should be able to do with my property as I see fit, as long as it doesn't adversely affect my neighbors.

If a stream flows through my property and I dam it, thus shutting off the water to your property, woud that be a fair thing? I sort of see it the same way with wildlife.

Why should my license money go to a game department that will allow someone to fence in wildlife?

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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2004, 08:48:13 AM »
I find it absolutely amazing that you guys think it is the responsibility of the large land owner to supply smaller land owners with game to kill. If you do not own enough land to support a deer herd you have no right to expect folks around you with more land to supply you with deer. Geez, that makes as much sense to me as the parents suing walmart for selling a gun to their daughter legally who used it to commit suicide.


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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2004, 11:03:06 AM »
Well it is like this i own an 83 acre ranch next to a 50acre and a 300acre and a 70 acre behind me. The 300 acre leases the land to too many hunters and are trying to make to much money. I hunt with a feeder(one don't have 8 ) and in a blind but only cause i would not hunt without one being that the crazy ass beer budies on the 300 acre next door would probaly shoot at me if i was walking a round and not posistioned in a safe place. plus I have my cousin who also hunts in a stand with a feeder and the feeders make it safer for us to hunt at the same time because we have shooting lanes and make them so that we never shoot at the camp or each other so if you are saying that feeders are worse then big game fences which i must mention that they probaly use more feeders or giant food plots than small farms that is just tuff crap. And i am sorry that you can't share wildlife with the rest to Texas seeing that they are your deer and you own everyone of them that steps on to your giant game ranch. I guess their is just no room for blue collar hunters anymore their just crap out of luck cause somone can't play nice

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« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2004, 11:14:57 AM »
Quote from: bayloralum1996
Quote from: TXSURVEYOR
Here is the real deal, in Texas land owners have special rights. The Texas way is "this is my land and I will do with it what I want" and don't let me catch you on or near MY land or else. That is the way it is and is going to be.

I hate that attitude but it how it is. That way of thinking is so ingrained in the culture that it will not change. Fine, but how about this-

If he deer and game belong to the state of Texas why do the land owners
not have to pay the state for the privatization of the herd they just enclosed?  Lets say you own 3000 acres of land and want to high fence it.
(I do not agree but....) In my opinion if the state biologist say the average
number of deer in your area is 20 per square mile you should have to
pay for the 93.75 deer you took from the state.


 Lets say you were not an ethical hunter and went out one night and shot
 a doe on the side of the road. Lets then say the game warden gets you
and give you a ticket for poaching a deer. I have heard that the fines are
two parts. 1) for the criminal act. 2) restitution for the deer and the deer's
offspring.


So let's then assume the fine is around $800.00 (just a round number I have no idea what the fine would really be). So $800x93.75 per deer=$75,000
That is what the land owner should have to pay the state and the citizens for putting up a high fence and "poaching " the deer from the state.

Basically a fee for  the breed stock.
If you were a cattle rancher you would have pay breed stock to start your
business. So why does a land owner get special favor when it comes to deer?


to carry this idea further, say that I am a cattle rancher and want to put my animals on somebody else's land.  I would have to pay them a lease fee for the grazing rights.
Therefore,....to transfer this to deer.  The state owns the deer.....where do I spend the bill for the state's deer for their "browsing fee"???  A deer counts as .6 of a animal unit when commuting stocking rates.  This directly affects the number of livestock a rancher can run on his place.  Shouldn't the state then reimburse the rancher for the money he is loosing because the state's deer are lowering his stocking rates??

just another way to look at this is all..........................  :grin:

 :) Yea, but the state is not making money off the deer in the same way you would make off your cattle

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« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2004, 12:23:27 PM »
kinda off the subject alittle,.....but we need to clear up another term that the anti's like to use against us.  Hunting over a corn feeder is not hunting, its shooting.  Where is the sport in being able to bring an animal to an exact distance known spot within a 15 minute time frame????????
A better term is deer killing.
I'm not completely against it, it is a necessary evil here in Texas to get the overall deer numbers in some kind of a balance.  I'd hate the idea of a bunch of suburbanite idiots actually trying to still-hunt around blasting away at everything that moves,..........VERY DANGEROUS!!  Most guys who travel out to the deer lease, cases of budweiser in tow, actually have no idea about deer movements, where they bed up, etc.  

so please,................ when you talk about deer feeders, use the proper term.....shooting.

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« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2004, 12:43:27 PM »
well If hunting from a blind with a feader is shooting then tell my why in the past 5 years i have only killed one deer seen a couple but was not able to shoot. When people tell me that it is wrong to hunt like this I recite a quote from Thomas Jefferson "I'm a great believer in luck and I find the harder I work, the more I have". You could say that hunting is hard work but running a feeder that throws you constant problems and hunting at the same time is hard work to. Besides i don't have the time to go and scout where and when every deer wants to eat and my feed benifits the wildlife beyond the season and also helps other game animals as well.

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« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2004, 04:59:25 PM »
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Well it is like this i own an 83 acre ranch next to a 50acre and a 300acre and a 70 acre behind me. The 300 acre leases the land to too many hunters and are trying to make to much money. I hunt with a feeder(one don't have 8 ) and in a blind but only cause i would not hunt without one being that the crazy ass beer budies on the 300 acre next door would probaly shoot at me if i was walking a round and not posistioned in a safe place. plus I have my cousin who also hunts in a stand with a feeder and the feeders make it safer for us to hunt at the same time because we have shooting lanes and make them so that we never shoot at the camp or each other so if you are saying that feeders are worse then big game fences which i must mention that they probaly use more feeders or giant food plots than small farms that is just tuff ****. And i am sorry that you can't share wildlife with the rest to Texas seeing that they are your deer and you own everyone of them that steps on to your giant game ranch. I guess their is just no room for blue collar hunters anymore their just **** out of luck cause somone can't play nice


Big K,

It looks like you need a high fence to keep your neighbors out.  LOL

For your information, I don't own any land or deer in Texas, but I have been lucky enough to have the opportunity to hunt quite a few large quality ranches there, both as an invited guest and as a paying customer.  Some of the ranches were high fenced and some were not.  In all honesty, I couldn't tell the difference anyway once I was inside the fence, and since I feel that I am somewhat smarter than the average deer, I would guess they don't know the difference either.  

I would agree with your statement that the large ranches have feeders, probably more than the smaller spreads.  However it is my personal choice that I don't hunt over a feeder.  I'm not saying it's wrong to hunt a feeder, that's everyone's personal choice.  I feel that some scouting around will show you the movement habits of the deer and you have a better chance of taking a trophy there than under a feeder.

As I said, Ihave no land in Texas, but I do own property in another southern state.  If I could afford it, I would high fence it in a minute.  We have been trying to manage this property for the past several years, but it is virtually impossible without controlled access.   And by this I am not speaking of controlled access for the deer, I am speaking of controlled access to the friends and neighbors who think that the deer are public property no matter if they are living on my private property.  All of you anti-fence people out there need to realize that the fence is not necessarily to keep the game in, it's to keep the trash out.

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« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2004, 05:59:15 PM »
High fences are an inconvienience and I'm sure that they limit possible paths of travel for game to some degree.  I figure that what a fellow does with or on his own land is his business.  If he wants to raise deer like livestock and then shoot them, more power to him.  Hunting on a feed-lot doesn't really have an appeal for me.

A fellow only has to know where the fence ends.

Personally, I don't see the difference between sneaking up to snipe a critter on a known game trail between a bed and a food plot and setting up to snipe a deer on a created trail between a bed and a feeder.  Both are "shooting deer".  Technically, anything involving the use of a firearm or an arrow is just "shooting deer", isn't it?  As a hunting purist you probably strip down to your skin, crawl on your belly, and kill using only your teeth and the occassional head-butt.  Look Ma, no hands.

There's no law or ethical code that says everyone has to hunt using the same techniques.  Tellin' some fella that the way he does it "ain't hunting" is kinda like tellin' a dark fella that he's a n****r.

If guy #2 is not breaking the law, being unsafe, or violating the rights of guy #1 in some way, maybe guy #1 ought to mind his own bees-wax.

A good rule of thumb: "If it bugs you, hunt somewhere else".
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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2004, 04:26:31 AM »
To you folks that think because you hunt within a high fence that you go out and pick your trophy and shoot it is nuts. It does mean that their are trophy animals on the place, but 5 yr old whitetails do not get stupid behind the high fence. The fortune these ranchers spend on brood animals and all the other expenses is staggering. Yeah I would like to have 50 acres next to a monster size ranch with no high fence that some brood buck that cost the man 10 thousand up can walk over on my place. Dream on. You talk about a Zoo. Not that I totally disagree with the sentiment you posted in this space but it kinda violates site rules so I deleted it. GB.----vernonp

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« Reply #25 on: December 30, 2004, 07:19:46 AM »
$10k won't buy much of a breeder buck these days.  There is one for sale in Texas now for $400,000.00.  Think he'll go on a low fenced ranch?

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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2005, 10:07:09 AM »
I spoke with a fellow last week who just sold a 4 year old breeding buck for $175,000.00. He won't be turned loose, but held in a smaller breeding pasture and the does broght to him. I find this whole business of high fencing, genetic controlled breeding bucks and the like distasteful. It all happends because some folks in Texas are willing to pay 5-6K bucks to shoot a deer with very big horns. These bucks are shot in food pltts from blinds. This requires no hunting skills, just a big check book. The high dollar hunters have all but ruined Texas for the average working guy who like to hunt.

a couple of years back I shot a large mule deer buck in the Glass Mountains of Texas and left it field dressed and hanging in the shade at the ranch headquarters. When I came back, the forman said a fellow shoped by and offered him $2,000.00 for the dead deer. He didn't sell it as it wasn't his, but I wish he had.

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« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2005, 02:07:46 AM »
It may sound odd, but when someone offers a large amount of money like that for a deer that was shot by someone else, I have little to say about that man's character.

To me, hunting is part physical and spiritual. It is a way to connect with nature that goes back eons. I really couldn't see how someone could buy an animal shot by someone else and then brag about the accomplishment. To me, thbis cheapens the relationship between hunter and nature.

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« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2005, 04:10:52 PM »
Boy shure would be nice to get ALLOWED a chance in a life time, a true hunt in texas sitting in your heated blind your range finder the atomatic corn slinger the 30 ' 06 resting in the window. nothing like a canned hunt.

Graygeard I thought the good lord supplied the game not high fencing....
It's a fact that those high fences produce bigger bucks , so does concervation....
Maybe if we got back to our hunting roots , and hunt as needed taking the bad bucks first there wouldn't be a need for canned hunts, but then again
they couldn't charge 2000 dollars for 1 buck
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« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2005, 04:38:19 PM »
Yep, it's always easier to blame someone else than to actually get off yer skinny butt and do a little bit of scouting to find the game that you can shoot at.

"I didn't get to hunt because some guy with too much money is waiting for livestock to stand in front of his expensive blind."

Right.

What's the term for this?

Sour Grapes?
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