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Offline TrapperZach

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« on: December 28, 2004, 04:28:04 AM »
on my gun there is a dove tail type mount i think its called will a regular  scope mount work for this or do i need somtin specal?
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2004, 04:38:20 AM »
Hello  Welcome to the site :D
 On H&R - Nef center fire rails I use Loupold High Rings ( for
 Weaver stile base) pick them up at Wally World for about $16
 a set. Work very well for me. Marv.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2004, 04:54:49 AM »
Trapperz, are you asking about the 5" or 6" long "scope rail" that screws onto the barrel over the chamber area with 3 small screws or the "scope rings" that mount onto that rail?....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2004, 05:05:15 AM »
its 5 inches long its the black thing sckrewd on top of the chamber and i am asking if regular old simons scope mounts will work on this type rail thing?
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2004, 05:21:55 AM »
You need weaver style  scope rings for the nef/H&R mount. I use Weaver rings mostly and have had no problems.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2004, 05:26:50 AM »
That 5" long black thing is the scope rail. The Simmons rings will work if they are for a centerfire size Weaver style mount. Try one on the rail without the scope to see if and how it fits and to familiarize yourself on how it attaches. The centerfire rings have a larger distance between the gripping sufaces at the attachment area. The scope rail takes any "Weaver" style scope rings. To mount a scope on a Handi or Sportster and depending on the size of the ocular and objective lenses you may need at least "medium" or "high" rings. The regular height rings are just to short to allow for mounting or hammer clearance unless the scope has a lot of eye relief and is mounted ahead of the hammer as some shotgun scopes and all Red Dot sights are. I have some Simmons scope rings and think yours are "Weaver" style rings, the only question is if they are rimfire or centerfire rings and if they are high enough to mount the scope you are going to use. Weaver style rings are by far the most prevalent and popular style out there, it's not the manufacturer but the style that is important to you right now, yours might fit. I just changed a scope last night and used an old set of weavers I had lying around and they worked and fit great. And, since were talking about it I'm going to bore sight that gun right now!!! I'll remove the barrel from the frame, put it on a cardboard box (with notches cut in it's sides) on the kitchen table and bore sight on the center of the wreath hanging on my neighbors door across the street!!!....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2004, 05:43:36 AM »
ok thanx im goin to get the mounts tonight hopfuly and i have a simmions deerfield and i saw the simmions scope mounts at the wallyworld the other day ill see if they are the weaver style it should say on it sholdint it??
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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2004, 05:47:28 AM »
WW sells the leupold rifleman rings, several shooters here use them and are very happy with em!
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2004, 05:48:55 AM »
yeah it will say for dovertails or weaver type bases. at least my weaver ings say on the package
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2004, 05:52:19 AM »
will my scope fit in lets say weaver or loupold rings
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2004, 05:55:12 AM »
If it's a 1" tube Deerfield, it will fit 1" weaver style rings.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2004, 06:22:28 AM »
how do i figuer out if its one tube.
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2004, 06:31:37 AM »
The diameter of the skinny part should be 1".
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2004, 09:02:30 AM »
i took a string and rapped it around right beside the scope agusters and mesured it and it mesured out 3 1/2 inches do you mean the smaller end of the scope??
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2004, 09:14:23 AM »
you have a 1" scope then. Your in good shape, now just get you some 1" weaver style rings and your done  :grin:
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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2004, 09:41:38 AM »
be sure you get at least the "medium" height rings. If you can get back to Wal-Mart easily I suggest you get both the medium and high rings and bring back the ones you don't use. Also, even though I personally use Millet Angle Locs, between the Weavers, which are a good ring, and the Leupold, I might get the Leupold, if the price difference was not to much....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2004, 10:26:18 AM »
ill proly go with medum the gun has a hammer extinsionon it so that should hel and i like a titer looking gun.
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2004, 04:44:27 PM »
I think I smell a primrose path here.  :wink:
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2004, 12:50:12 PM »
well got the mounts today and got it bore sited with the cardbord box. glad all they had was the high mounts medum wouldint have worked.
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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2004, 03:26:55 PM »
Thats what most have found here TrapperZ, the high mounts work best for most of us....<><.... :grin:

Donaldo, you were so right!!!
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2005, 05:48:11 PM »
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Thats what most have found here TrapperZ, the high mounts work best for most of us....<><.... :grin:

Donaldo, you were so right!!!


aaaaargh!!! just as I found out today. :?

Finally got the Sportster in my hot little hands and the combination of:

Redfield Tracker scope + Weaver Medium rings = aaaarrrggh!!! bummer!

Oh well no chance to do anything about it 'til next week.

It gives me a chnce to give it a good clean though.  :grin:

o/t is dry firing these things repeatedly really bad???  :P
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2005, 08:51:25 PM »
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o/t is dry firing these things repeatedly really bad???


Dry firing a Handi even once can result in a broken firing pin, I wouldn't recommend it at all unless you use a snapcap or fired brass in the chamber.
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2005, 12:44:10 AM »
Thanks for the info quickdtoo. :grin:

Do you know if it's just because the pin will strike the chamber? If so can it be dry fired when the barrel is broken?

I see why so many of the plastic stocks get swapped for wood too. It's not the nicest stuff I've ever felt on a rifle.  :wink:
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2005, 06:02:00 AM »
I think they break cuz the pin comes to an abrupt stop at the end of its travel instead of hitting a primer.  The firing pin is in the center of the bore so it would make no difference whether the action was open or closed, unless there is something to cushion the firing pin like a cartridge or a snapcap.
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2005, 07:08:03 AM »
A sporster has a offset firing pin .The centerfire rifles have the firing pin in the center. :grin:
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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2005, 07:27:09 AM »
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A sporster has a offset firing pin .The centerfire rifles have the firing pin in the center. :grin:


Missed the Sportster statement....thought this was the NEF/H&R centerfire forum, guess I'm in the wrong forum! :roll: A rimfire isn't good to dry fire either as the firing pin slams into the barrel which will also damage the pin. The barrel is much harder material than the brass case so there is no cushion affect.
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2005, 11:53:08 AM »
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Missed the Sportster statement....thought this was the NEF/H&R centerfire forum, guess I'm in the wrong forum! :roll: ...


No the questions just stemmed from my reply to the need for high rings on the Sportster/Handi. ;)

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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2005, 12:03:41 PM »
Not a problem.. :wink: ..just trying to mix a little humor and sarcasm as the same time....doesn't always work.... :oops:
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2005, 12:25:09 PM »
;) np quickdtoo

now back on topic...

has anyone found difficulty in getting the scope positioned back far enough with the "wide" mounts like the Weaver QD rings? It looks like the Burris Sigs are narrower and allow the scope to be positioned closer to the eye.

Maybe I just need to get used to the new stock shape... :?
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2005, 12:51:58 PM »
That's one more good reason to use the Burris Signature rings! If Midsouth ever gets the mediums in we'll have a good source at a good price....Mediums work most of the time, it just depends on the size of the power ring on the scope, usually.

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00023420521

http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00023420531
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