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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2005, 09:20:36 PM »
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No, I've not been out with any Barnes'; but I've paid attention to those bc's and the sd's, as you can see in my posting.    It's just an amazing thing, to me, how they get those .270 and .280 cartridges to do what they do...........without going to magnum-sized charge weights.     I really get a kick out of those velocities you posted 8) .    400 fps difference between those two calibers with similar sd's.......leaves me with the .270 as a front-runner.    And those Barnes bullets help to lift some of these smaller calibers up to even greater status as giant killers.

Jack O'Connor  8) was right, too, about those good pressures with proper loads of H4831 even with the heavier bullets.    I'm thinking that the Handi' could be loaded like that, if loads are properly worked-up to.    Hey, even if you lose 100 fps with the 180 gr' in the .270 Handi' -- you still get 300fps more than the .308 :P .     It's just a bigger hammer!

I've thought about loading some of those match-grade bullets, hpbt's by Sierra -- but can't get up off my wallet long enough to spring for them :shock:  :shock:      I buy Hornady's in 130, 140, and 150 gr' spire points, and don't cry as much over the cost.    

The odd part about all this: I really would pick a stainless steel .308 over anything else "if I could only have one rifle.....and be allowed to handload for it."    It's just an efficient, medium-range, hunting cartridge with amazing accuracy potential.    

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« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2005, 05:59:25 AM »
SS...you raise and reiterate many valid points.

Not to rankle any feathers  :-)
But to decide 270 loses to 308 because police and military units/snipers use it is no ringing endorsement.......Folks who were still in love with the '06 made that decision back in the 50's, and they did it based on the caliber of the projectile, not on the merits of the whole shebang.
As for law enforcement, their decision to go with the 308 can be explained away as a case of "it works for somebody else, it will probably work for us..."  As a civil servant in public safety (LE in the past, fire service currently) I can say that that mentality is pervasive.
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« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2005, 06:28:24 AM »
What I dont like about tracking SD only is that weight and frontal area have been ignored, and therefore kinetic energy.  If we continue that line of reasoning, why would you not choose a 2506 over a 270, or a 243 over a 260.  Or lets chase it to the end, we should be shooting long skinny needles.   Granted, for any given case capacity, there may be a bore diameter that is optimal for some application, but not for all applications.

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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2005, 06:49:02 AM »
Both are great calibers, real chips off the '06 block. :grin:

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« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2005, 07:03:53 AM »
Quote from: brown-trout
SS...you raise and reiterate many valid points.
 
Not to rankle any feathers  :-)  
But to decide 270 loses to 308 because police and military units/snipers use it is no ringing endorsement.......Folks who were still in love with the '06 made that decision back in the 50's, and they did it based on the caliber of the projectile, not on the merits of the whole shebang.
As for law enforcement, their decision to go with the 308 can be explained away as a case of "it works for somebody else, it will probably work for us..."  As a civil servant in public safety (LE in the past, fire service currently) I can say that that mentality is pervasive.
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 Just to let you know...I'm a fan of both calibers...and have shot both and reloaded both for many years...and I'm not meaning any disrespect here...but the reason most swat teams and HR teams go with the 308...is... the rifles that are produced in that caliber....the bulk of all precision rifles and ammo.. that meet or exceed those departments requirements are produced in the 308.....all one has to do is to look and see in the last 40 years which caliber has been used...those that don't want...or can't tolerate the magnums go with the 308...and yes...since the government went with it over the 30-06...of course the civilian market sways that way...look at the 223...same thing...and so too will the vast majority of the civilian market when the new military round is widespread...the civilian market always does that...after all...some of the best shooters in the world are in the military..and with Camp Perry and the Palma matches being so prevalent...it only stands to reason which cartridges and rifles are immulated...the 308 was spec'd for a semi-auto & full auto rifle..to provide ample firepower firing nato ball ammo...it has served admirable for all these years...and probably will continue to do so for many more... and with that the question is...is the 270 better...the answer isn't clear cut...it all depends on who is pulling the trigger in which gun...and at what...hunting wise...the 270 does offer more than what folks normally think it does...a-lot more...but to say it's a better cartridge than the 308 isn't quite entirely true...it all depends on the application and the shooter...does the 270 offer more than the 308 in terms of performance...yes it does...a higher sectional density and better ballistic co-efficient...makes it better...for years when I was only shooting the 270...I reloaded every bullet available for it...I called every bullet manufacture and pleaded for a quality match bullets...that pleading fell on deaf ears then...there just wasn't enough interest then...now...Sierra is the only commercial maker...and if the military truly accepts the lastest cartridge...I can assure you Seirra won't be the only ones to do so...and I feel that when that happens...people will wake up and realize just how great a caliber it is...and has been there all-along waiting in the shadows of all the other great cartridges...Jack O'Conner knew...and preached it's virtues a long time ago..But magnum mania always takes over...but this time the gun writers will have to compare it to something,and I know what that will be....I feel it's about to be rediscovered again.......and it's about time... :D  
 
 
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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2005, 07:16:23 AM »
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What I dont like about tracking SD only is that weight and frontal area have been ignored, and therefore kinetic energy.  If we continue that line of reasoning, why would you not choose a 2506 over a 270, or a 243 over a 260.  Or lets chase it to the end, we should be shooting long skinny needles.   Granted, for any given case capacity, there may be a bore diameter that is optimal for some application, but not for all applications.


Bajabill:

The better the S.D. and the B.C. the better the bullet...and it is a indicator for one to judge that bullet...and the application it's used for...some of the most areodynamic bullets are in smaller calibers than the 30 caliber...look at the 6mm bullets...their performance is legendary...and now with the advent of better bullets becoming available for the 270...it gives you more choices...and that's a good thing...and a-lot of people do just that...they do choose a 25-06 over a 270...and a 243 over a 260...a-lot of it has to do with ammo selection...and with all the new bullets becoming available for most of the calibers...and with the ammo manufactures offering them in their line ups...it gives you more choices...you don't have to just "settle" for one...unless of-course you want too...

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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2005, 07:24:31 AM »
i have both the .270 and .308.  i prefer the .308.  REcoil is a lot less, at least to me.  i can shoot the 08 all day, the .270 becomes punishment after about 12 rounds (but i can still handle it...)

I agree that reloading is the best way for cheap, and usually very accurate, ammunition as you can tailor the load to your gun.

For instance, i load .223 ammo with match bullets for about $4 per box of 20, and that's on the expensive side of things.  Groups are better than almost all factory ammo i've used (except those darn Winchester 45gr).  Anyway, price for the Wins and my reloads are about same...

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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2005, 03:49:59 PM »
If you don't mind, I'm going to ask yet another question with these two calibers.  Say I were to be hunting only deer with the rifle, and only shooting factory ammo.  Which cartridge would you prefer and which would be easier on me at the range?  Thanks for all the help guys, its greatly appreciated.

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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2005, 07:14:10 PM »
Nova:

While the 270 with a few loads wiill shove ya...so too will the 308 with certain loads...but neither of them will hurt you...provided you have the recoil  pad in your shoulder pocket...

Factory loads only...and strickly for hunting deer...that would discount a-lot of the 308 ammo I see sitting on the shelves...let see though...


Mid South Shooters supply...21(actual) big game loads for the 270...22(actual) big game loads for the 308

Natchezz supply...34 for the 270...and 33 for the 308....


So you see...there isn't really any shortage of factory loads for either one...

My advise is to find someone with a 308...and a 270...and shoot them both...see how you like each one....and again...if you can't deceide...get both :-D they are both great cartridges...keep one and trade the other...or keep them both...you won't go wrong with either one...


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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2005, 07:58:01 PM »
Doesn't it bother ANY of you guys that I am dame near getting exasperated by this already.    We have disgusted this to death now! :x

I'm telling you that the recoil impulse of the .270 is shorter lived because the bullet spends less time in the barrel.   8)   I'm telling you that the lighter 130 gr' bullet makes the perceived recoil itself less.....at least to me, and I've fired both of them AT THE RANGE.....Dagg Nab It! :shock:     I'm trying to tell you that the significantly flatter trajectory of the .270 is very advantageous in deer hunting :x   and the terminal velocity of the 130 gr' bullet in the .270 beats that of the 150 gr' bullet in the .308 all the way out past 500 FREAKIN' yards :shock:  :shock:

Nova: Can I beg you to buy a .270 already!!! :eek:  :eek:

Mac:  Is it me, or is there something wrong with this already????? :x

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« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2005, 08:32:13 PM »
SS:

Naw...it ain't you... :lol:

but lets face it...there is always 2 sides(ooops :oops: ) 3 sides to every coin...and some folks have to nudged gently into seeing the obvious...and since everyone has a valued opinion here :wink: might as well show the full story and then let him deceide...it doesn't really hurt  to be honest afterall ...


Nova...since we are talking about the Handi rifle here...you can get both barrels...SS loves the 270...so do I...I also love the 308...30-06.. 45-70..30-30...25-06....and about a bazillion other calibers.....so do yourself a favor...get both :-D  :-D  :-D and become a Handi-holic like the rest of us... :wink:


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« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2005, 09:02:02 PM »
Can't say anything good about the .270, never owned one.  Shot a couple did not like them.  Own two .308s (Parker-Haile and TCR) they are excellent shooters.  If I was not so in love with the 30-06, I'd probably carry one hunting, when I went south.  Or during the winter here.  Up here it will get you killed during the spring, summer, or fall.
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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2005, 07:15:21 AM »
THe $11/box of ammo at walmart will kill deer you can accurately shoot as well as any, in either the 270, 308, or 30-06.  For that matter, the $10/box of 30-30 does the same, just not at the deer that are far from you.  The trajectory issues between the 3 are less of a concern than your shooting ability at the range where one will eventually separate from the other.  So that criteria is not going to drive you to one or the other.

Im a 30-06 fan so I would nod to that direction over the 270 (I have no need for a 308 :grin: ).  I also have 270 wsm and wont tell you it is more lethal than a 300 wsm.   When you want to discuss terminal effectiveness, there is more to the issue than the speed of the object.  I also doubt that terminal effectiveness can be consistently quantified.

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« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2005, 10:53:53 AM »
Thanks a lot to everyone who replied to this post.  This is really a great and HELPFUL group of guys.  I've been thinking about this, and I think when it comes time to get that barrel is will be in the 270 Win. caliber.  Considering most of my hunting will be deer, I think this just makes more sense.  Now I just need to wait till I have some extra cash and send in my frame.  After that who knows what caliber will be next, a 30-30 or 44 Mag with iron sights sounds like fun....I think I'm catchin the disease.  Before long I'll be a full blown handi-holic.

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« Reply #44 on: January 06, 2005, 07:26:50 PM »
Nova:

Good for you... :)  :)  :)

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« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2005, 07:37:21 PM »
I know I fly against some of the small and fast group here but I vote for the 308.  By the way, I have owned both and the recoil difference between the 270, 308 and 30-06 is so minor I doubt we could tell the difference in a handi.

If one wants to compare Rem factory load ballistics for elk, here are some facts from Remingtons own ballistics comparison charts.

PRC270WB Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® Ultra 9 1/2        BC  0.360
PRC308WC Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® Ultra 9 1/2        BC  0.402

Velocity
VELOCITY (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type Bullet                      Muzzle 100   200   300  400   500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 PSP CLU 2925 2667 2424 2193 1975 1771
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 PSP CLU 2620 2404 2198 2002 1818 1644

Energy
ENERGY (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet                      Muzzle 100   200  300   400   500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 PSP CLU 2659 2211 1826 1495 1212 975
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 PSP CLU 2743 2309 1930 1601 1320 1080

Trajectory
LONG-RANGE² TRAJECTORY*
Cartridge Type Bullet                       100 150 200  250  300  400   500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 PSP CLU 1.7 1.5 zero -3.0 -7.6 -22.5 -46.4
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 PSP CLU 2.3 2.0 zero -3.8 -9.5 -26.4 -56.4


As you can see they are close with the 270 having a slight edge on velocity but the 308 ALWAY has more energy.  By the way the 270 with a 150gr bullet fairs even worse, with a BIG drop off at the 200yd mark.  The 180gr 308 is actually 2" higher than the 150gr 270, so I didn't show it.

Dropping the 308 to a 150gr makes the 270 look even worse when comparing against the 150gr 270 load.

Trajectory is so close in the two as not to even be a consideration in my mind.  If you can hold steady enough to make a noticable difference of 4" at 400yds, in the field, you are a WAY better shot than I am.

I've done some serious research and the 308 and 30-06 cases seem to perform at their best with bullets in the 338 dia.  Much better than the parent caliber, and better yet than larger claibers using the same case.  Ie 35 Whelen and 375 Scovill.

My elk hunting buddies both used 270's with 150gr bullets this last fall.  Both were disappointed to learn that my 180gr, 30-06, was a virtual twin to their 270's in all categories.  And that is with medium level handloads in my '06.

308 ammo is more readily available and cheaper overall.  And as many target guys are showing, the 308 is inherintly more accurate, but that is a whole nuther debate.  Good luck.
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« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2005, 08:52:03 PM »
Handi:

With all due respect...your comparing apples and oranges...take a look at the Nosler #5 reloading manual...and to really compare the two...look at a powder that is used in both...with the same weight bullets...I did...


IMR 4320 max loads...47.0 grains for the 308...45.0 grains for the 270...
velocities...308...2842 FPS...270...2818 FPS...

308   150 grain BT..BC... 0.435...SD...0.226
270   150 grain BT..BC0...0.496...SD...0.279

These are almost identicle to 300 yards...with the velocity edge going to the 270 by 164 FPS...drop is -13.5" for the 308...drop on the 270 is -13.0" with a 100 yard zero...I did it this way for comparision only...at 500 yards...the velocity is 1847 FPS for the 308...and 1948 FPS for the 270...with only 100 fps seperating the two...the 270 will still penatrate deeper with the higher sectional density...so in the real world does this mean a-lot...it would for your elk...but probably not at all for a whitetail...


Would I use a  30 caliber 150 grain BT for elk...nope...I would use the 150 grain .270 cal though...I really don't see any advantage when comparing these 2 loads from Remington...other than which bullet has the Higher SD......and since Nova is talking deer...not elk...sam-o-same-o...but...if we were talking elk... lets take another look at Remingtons site...at another load more suitable...


      
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Index No.   Cartridge Type   Wt. (grs)   Bullet Style   Primer No.   Ballistic Coefficient
PRSC270WA   Premier Scirocco Bonded   130   Swift™ Scirocco™ Bonded   9 1/2   0.433
PRSC308WA   Premier Scirocco Bonded   150   Swift™ Scirocco™   9 1/2   0.435
VELOCITY (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type   Bullet   Muzzle   100   200   300   400   500
Premier Scirocco Bonded   130 SSB   3060   2838   2627   2425   2232   2048
Premier Scirocco Bonded   150 SS   2820   2611   2410   2219   2037   1863
ENERGY (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type   Bullet   Muzzle   100   200   300   400   500
Premier Scirocco Bonded   130 SSB   2702   2325   1991   1697   1438   1211
Premier Scirocco Bonded   150 SS   2648   2269   1935   1640   1381   1156
SHORT-RANGE¹ TRAJECTORY*
Cartridge Type   Bullet   50   100   150   200   250   300
Premier Scirocco Bonded   130 SSB   0.0   0.6   zero   -1.7   -4.7   -9.0
Premier Scirocco Bonded   150 SS   0.0   zero   -1.1   -3.6   -7.6   -13.2
LONG-RANGE² TRAJECTORY*
Cartridge Type   Bullet   100   150   200   250   300   400   500
Premier Scirocco Bonded   130 SSB   1.4   1.3   zero   -2.5   -6.5   -18.8   -38.2
Premier Scirocco Bonded   150 SS   1.8   1.6   zero   -3.1   -7.8   -22.7   -46.0
Note:    These ballistics reflected a test barrel length of 24" except those for 30 Carbine and 44 Remington Magnum which are 20" barrels.
    Specifications are nominal. Ballistics figures established in test barrels. Individual rifles may vary from test barrel results.
    “zero” indicates yardage at which rifle was sighted in.
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Were only a few inches off...but...depending on how steady a hold you have...and how your sited in...it can make a big difference...lots of folks set their rifles up for shooting M.P.B.R...and go for a dead center hold...out to a given range...5" above...5" below...and the 270 would take the advantage on this...

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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2005, 03:38:05 AM »
My list of reasons the .308 wins:
1.) It shoots .308 Jacketed bullets
2.) It shoots .308-.310 cast bullets
3.) It shoots .30 caliber bullets
4.) It shoots loaded .308 caliber rounds.
5.) It shoots reloaded .308 caliber rounds.
the 6th and final reason
6.) It doesn't shoot .270 bullets. :wink:

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« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2005, 04:21:57 AM »
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I know I fly against some of the small and fast group here but I vote for the 308.  By the way, I have owned both and the recoil difference between the 270, 308 and 30-06 is so minor I doubt we could tell the difference in a handi.

If one wants to compare Rem factory load ballistics for elk, here are some facts from Remingtons own ballistics comparison charts.

PRC270WB Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® Ultra 9 1/2        BC  0.360
PRC308WC Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 Pointed Soft Point Core-Lokt® Ultra 9 1/2        BC  0.402

Velocity
VELOCITY (ft/sec)
Cartridge Type Bullet                      Muzzle 100   200   300  400   500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 PSP CLU 2925 2667 2424 2193 1975 1771
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 PSP CLU 2620 2404 2198 2002 1818 1644

Energy
ENERGY (ft-lbs)
Cartridge Type Bullet                      Muzzle 100   200  300   400   500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 PSP CLU 2659 2211 1826 1495 1212 975
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 PSP CLU 2743 2309 1930 1601 1320 1080

Trajectory
LONG-RANGE² TRAJECTORY*
Cartridge Type Bullet                       100 150 200  250  300  400   500
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 140 PSP CLU 1.7 1.5 zero -3.0 -7.6 -22.5 -46.4
Premier Core-Lokt Ultra 180 PSP CLU 2.3 2.0 zero -3.8 -9.5 -26.4 -56.4


As you can see they are close with the 270 having a slight edge on velocity but the 308 ALWAY has more energy.  By the way the 270 with a 150gr bullet fairs even worse, with a BIG drop off at the 200yd mark.  The 180gr 308 is actually 2" higher than the 150gr 270, so I didn't show it.

Dropping the 308 to a 150gr makes the 270 look even worse when comparing against the 150gr 270 load.

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Handi'

The last time I looked, Rem's factory load in the 150gr' for the .270 was a ROUND NOSE....not what you'd want in a deer load out of that caliber.    The round nose would be for closer range at bear or elk, I'd say.       In your comparison, the 140 gr' .270 is so close to the .308 that the difference in energy doesn't matter in most real-world hunting.    The flatter trajectory matters, however, with an almost 2" difference at just 300 yds.

I'd think that Mac's comparisons make somewhat more plain the difference between the cartridges.   The velocities of the .270 will also open up the bullet better than will the .308's.   The .270's velocity is what I see as its saving grace, along with proper bullet construction and sectional density for whatever application we're pursuing.    

I'd actually rate the .270 as a bigger hammer with the possible exception of handling Big Bears.....and even there, the NRA's American Hunter just a couple years ago showed that only one or two one-shot killings occured with all the anecdotes they'd reviewed........and one of those was by the .270, of all things!    A woman used the .270 to kill a brown bear with a 150 gr' bullet, I believe, in one shot.    

Take care, Handi'

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« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2005, 08:52:12 PM »
Don't flame me, flame remington.  Yes the 150 IS a roundnose, but since he stated he DOESN'T handload I used the remington FACTORY loads for comparisons.

I also mentioned it because it was what BOTH of my companions chose to use.  They have killed elk with them in the past, so hunters are buying them for elk.  Not the bullet I would chose but they did.

I never compared the 150 270 to the 150 308 for elk.  I compared the energy levels of the 140 vs the 180.  I was using 180 Hornady's.  The bullets are of identical manufacter and I honestly do not see how that can be an apple/orange comparison.  

My point was the 308 handles heavier bullets much better.  I have never heard of a complaint that a bullet didn't open up on a 308, no matter what the range.  Just never have.  Doesn't mean it has never occured.

This same hunting partner killed a small mule deer here two years ago and talked for weeks at how much meat he lost when he shot it with his 270.  In my mind, the minute difference one would get in penetration would be negligible on any animal.  The 270, to me, was the beginning of the gofastmagnumcraze that hit this country.  No, it was not the first or the fastest, but since Jack O' conner loved it so do many others.

I was simply pointing out that like I told my friends, the difference in trajectory is so small, that to me, it's not up to all the hype around it.  Like I said before, if he or anyone else can hold well enough in a hunting situation, as to make a real difference of 4" at 400yds then get the 270, cause he is a better shot than I am.

That said, I vote for the 30-06.  It is MY favorite.
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« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2005, 09:09:21 PM »
Handi:

Good choice :wink:

I vote for them all :-D  :-D  :-D

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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2005, 03:09:21 AM »
Out here in Mt I pack 300 WIN MAG for a deer and elk rifle. Does nef make a barrel in 300?

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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2005, 11:20:12 AM »
Handi'

No flaming intended of you at all.   Just an observation that I feel offers an explanation of relatively poor performance in a 150 gr' bullet -- made by Remington's decision.    

That's part of the reason to handload.    150 gr' Hornady spire points with the interloc feature in the .270 are great long-range bullets.    

If you look back, I don't think I've ever (intentionally) tried to flame you.

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« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2005, 11:28:59 AM »
Question for you guys...has anyone tried Federals Loadings with the Scirocco bullets in the 270 or the 308...both look great...and could do the job for either cartridge?? Haven't sprung for any bullets yet...kinda pricey...if ya know what I mean...

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« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2005, 11:49:49 AM »
Nova, since I was the first to respond to your query I will repeat my response:

The .308 fits the bill perfectly for what you are looking for....<><....  :grin:  


I re-read your post stating your intended targets and distances as well as the criteria you set forth to assist those of us here who were willing to venture an opinion. My opinion still stands. Most shots at 100-150 yards, max distance of 200-250 yards, used mostly deer hunting (Whitetails) with the possibility of Black bear, Elk and Mulies in the future.

.308 by a landslide....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2005, 12:22:34 PM »
I think your all crazy! Go for a .280!  :-D  
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« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2005, 12:37:09 PM »
BB:

That's a good choice too...ain't it great being a Handi-holic... :-D  :-D  :-D

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« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2005, 01:14:47 PM »
Quote from: Big Blue
I think your all crazy! Go for a .280!  :-D  
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It's an even better cartridge than the .270 when loaded to similar pressures.    Good idea.........if he'll go for that 26" barrel.

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« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2005, 01:38:29 PM »
I just wished they made a 26" 270 Ultra...and a 26"  308  Ultra...and a 26" 30-06 Ultra...if they did...well...there wouldn't really be a need for most anything else...in those 3's class...and just think of the velocity gain with the right handloads.....they would be pretty darn close with most of the belted magnums

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« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2005, 03:32:50 PM »
Hey, BB, what a great idea!!!, a 26" .280 Remingtom Ultra barrel, the best of all worlds!!!! The .308 he asked about very well could be second to that great caliber!!! (or your great 30-06 Mac!!! :-D , which he did not ask about!!! :-D )....<><.... :grin:
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