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Offline camsdaddy

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« on: January 05, 2005, 09:19:11 AM »
hello I recently aquired my fathers model 336 30/30 that he has had for years. I was shooting a .270 but I have decided for the type of hunting I do the trusty ole 30/30 should suit me fine. I have a few questions
1. I know dif guns shoot def loads better but can anyone recommend what they have the best luck with for med size whitetail and the occasional coyote I will have to stick with factory loads but would like to make this my fulltime truck gun.
2. I am search of a good cheap (oxymoron) scope my main interest is not magnification but rather low light shooting situations. Would be great if I could shoot yates in full moonlight for well under $200.
3. Are there any simple tricks to improve accuracy on these guns
in closing I realize there are guns better suited for coyotes but I have admired this gun for years and always been a 30/30 fan. and I figure for less than a new bolt I could have a super 336 I would love to be able to prove in south ga you dont need a cannon 7 mag 300 mag to kill whitetail
have a few I would like to remind the gun that has ruled the deer woods for years
thanks in advance

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 11:48:31 AM »
I have a 336 in 30/30 for the last 25 years and kinda retired it, but still
shoot it occasion just dont hunt with it anymore.
I always have liked using 170 grain winchester silver tip power points.
Also liked the remington 170 grain too.
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 03:28:35 PM »
As far as the ammo, I have found in my rifle that the 170 grain bullets shoot better, both with factory loads and handloads. As for improving accuracy I have found that Marlins need very little to them to shoot well. I dont have a Marlin that doesnt shoot. No trigger jobs or anything, they shoot right out of the box. for scopes esp in low light or night shooting I think Leupold is the way to go. You get their rifleman series for under 200 at Walmart. The 2-7 should work well!! Good luck and let us know how it shoots.

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« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2005, 02:21:53 PM »
I must be the only one here who shoots just about anything in my 30-30. To me for a varmint and deer load I haven't found anything that does both perfectly because I don't want my varmint loads to ricochet and my "truck" guns first duty is coyotes. Or used to be cause now it's feral hogs, you can see the dilemma. Since you don't reload I'd say use one of the 150 grain loads as they are generally a bit softer but still do fine for most uses. I have loaded 110, 125 and 130 grain hollow points for coyotes, 150 grain soft points for deer and cast bullets for everything. As far as a low cost scope I just bought a 1.5x4.5 Bushnell Banner that is very clear and though I have mounted it I haven't shot it in yet.
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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2005, 12:22:10 PM »
camsdaddy,

My son has a M336 Marlin chambered to the 30-30 and his loves the Winchester 170g Power Point factory loads. Factory number on the box is, I believe, "30303".

You can check this out on the Winchester Ammunition website.

My M94 Winchester prefers 150g bullets.

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2005, 06:26:08 AM »
My information and experience for over 35 years.


1.  For some reason, the 336 Marlins seem to always shoot the 170 grain loads better (more accurately).  Maybe it has something to do with the Micro-groove rifling that they started using in the late 1950s.   But, you are shooting a carbine, and you've got to realize that 4 inch groups at 100 yards are regarded as the norm, and that 2 inch groups at 100 yards are regarding as very good.  (I have seen some 1 inch shooters though.)

2.   As far as variable scopes, I have now gone strictly to the Leupold Vari-X II in 2x7.  They are a perfect blend of lightweight, compact, good light gathering, and solid reliability.   If you just go to a few gunshows, you will find these in used, nearly excellent condition, for $125 to $150.   If you buy one like this, and there is any problem, ship it back to Leupold and in all likelihood they will fix it for free and send it back in 7 days.  You just can't go wrong with a top of the line Leupold.  I have a few that are 25 years old, and they remain perfect.

3.   As far as 150 grain bullets, no deer that is well hit with a Remington 150 grain core loct, or a Winchester Power Point, is going anywhere.  There will be no substantial difference on the game in using the 150 grain vs. the 170 grain.   The 150 shoots a little flatter, so if coyotes are in the mix, and your rifle shoots the 150 grain factory loads well, you don't have to worry about having enough power on deer out to 150 yards.   I have shot two deer, at 125 yards, using the 150 grain Remington core locts, broadside behind the shoulders, and in both instances, the bullet went clean through and out the other side, leaving a 50 caliber exit hole.  

4.  The 30-30 is a superb deer round, out to 150 yards.  I would wager that lever actions in 30-30 ruled the roost in Georgia for more that 70 years (before the .270 became popular) and nobody thought they were undergunned!  (Ask your dad.)  They just didn't take shots beyond 150 yards.   Even after more than 100 years, tens of thousands of new 30-30s are sold every year!  There is a reason for this.  THEY PERFORM.  

5.    About two years ago, one of the big ammo makers (Remington or Winchester) released to a sports writer the number of boxes of centerfire ammo it sold during the year, for the top ten sales.  Most people thought it would be the 30-06 or the .270.  Wrong, the 30-30 Winchester was number 1 by a large margin.   Then, I think, followed the .30-06, the .270, the Rem 7 Mag,  the .308 Winchester, and the .300 Win Mag.

6.  The real world plus that the .270 gives you is shots out to 250 yards, across those bean fields, using 130 grain bullets.  So if you plan to shoot beyond 150 yards, be a good sportsman and leave the 30-30 behind.    

  Hope this helps.  :)


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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2005, 07:05:45 AM »
My information and experience for over 35 years.


1.  For some reason, the 336 Marlins seem to always shoot the 170 grain loads better (more accurately).  Maybe it has something to do with the Micro-groove rifling that they started using in the late 1950s.   But, you are shooting a carbine, and you've got to realize that 4 inch groups at 100 yards are regarded as the norm, and that 2 inch groups at 100 yards are regarding as very good.  (I have seen some 1 inch shooters though.)

2.   As far as variable scopes, I have now gone strictly to the Leupold Vari-X II in 2x7.  They are a perfect blend of lightweight, compact, good light gathering, and solid reliability.   If you just go to a few gunshows, you will find these in used, nearly excellent condition, for $125 to $150.   If you buy one like this, and there is any problem, ship it back to Leupold and in all likelihood they will fix it for free and send it back in 7 days.  You just can't go wrong with a top of the line Leupold.  I have a few that are 25 years old, and they remain perfect.

3.   As far as 150 grain bullets, no deer that is well hit with a Remington 150 grain core loct, or a Winchester Power Point, is going anywhere.  There will be no substantial difference on the game in using the 150 grain vs. the 170 grain.   The 150 shoots a little flatter, so if coyotes are in the mix, and your rifle shoots the 150 grain factory loads well, you don't have to worry about having enough power on deer out to 150 yards.   I have shot two deer, at 125 yards, using the 150 grain Remington core locts, broadside behind the shoulders, and in both instances, the bullet went clean through and out the other side, leaving a 50 caliber exit hole.  

4.  The 30-30 is a superb deer round, out to 150 yards.  I would wager that lever actions in 30-30 ruled the roost in Georgia for more that 70 years (before the .270 became popular) and nobody thought they were undergunned!  (Ask your dad.)  They just didn't take shots beyond 150 yards.   Even after more than 100 years, tens of thousands of new 30-30s are sold every year!  There is a reason for this.  THEY PERFORM.  

5.    About two years ago, one of the big ammo makers (Remington or Winchester) released to a sports writer the number of boxes of centerfire ammo it sold during the year, for the top ten sales.  Most people thought it would be the 30-06 or the .270.  Wrong, the 30-30 Winchester was number 1 by a large margin.   Then, I think, followed the .30-06, the .270, the Rem 7 Mag,  the .308 Winchester, and the .300 Win Mag.

6.  The real world plus that the .270 gives you is shots out to 250 yards, across those bean fields, using 130 grain bullets.  So if you plan to shoot beyond 150 yards, be a good sportsman and leave the 30-30 behind.    

  Hope this helps.  :)


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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2005, 01:46:04 PM »
I have never seen a scoped Marlin that wouldn't shoot better than 2 inch groups with a load it liked. I just got back from the range and the worst performing reload put 5 shots into 1 1/2 inch. The most accurate load using the 130 grain hollow point varmint bullet designed for bolt action rifles just barely edged over an inch for 5 shots. You have to take your time so the barrel doesn't get too hot though. If you can get the Hornady ammo loaded with their 150 grain RN and it shoots well in your rifle that would be a hard load to beat.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2005, 06:52:26 PM »
I recently found my Marlin 336 30-30 loves the Lyman 311284 cast with WW lead at about 223grns w/24gr of IMR-3031., sized to .309. and lubed with LBT Blue.

I'm getting 1.34 " groups with that hunka lead..  :lol: