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Offline Lawdog

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« on: February 02, 2003, 11:58:40 AM »
This should get some response.  What make and type of fishing line do you use the most for the type of fishing you do.  Me I'm a spinnerbait man so I load up my reels with Berkley 14 lb. test XL unless I'm fishing near rocky cover, piers or trees then it's time to switch to 20 lb. test XT.  By the way what is your favorite brand of baitcasting reels.  I used Quantum for years, still do but the wife gave me a Shimano Calais a year ago last Christmas and it's so smooth it's now my new favorite.  It's the first one I pick up and the last one I put down.  Lawdog
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2003, 02:16:43 PM »
Man, this could develop some long long responses.

First off, line types:

Basically, I use 4 types, Cabellas Pro Line mono, P-line, Fire Line, and Mason's Braided nylon.  It obviously depends on the application intended.

For spinnerbaits, buzz baits, and some other relatively fast moving baits where feel and stretch is an issue, I like P-Line better than mono or spectra type braid.  P-Line is a polymer type line like mono and has similar casting properties, and it doesn't dig into the spool like the braids and get real aggrivating.  What it does not do well at all is fish slow presentations.  P-line tends to have a lot of memory unlike most mono and on a slow presentation, it looks akin to a banjo string stretched across the water.  Obviously, this hinders feel and hookset.  It is relatively low stretch and that characteristic allows you to feel your blade turning on a spinnerbait.  This is critical with that type lure.

For crank baits, top water baits including top water soft plastic, I use mono.  It has low memory and the stretch mono has helps compensate when you pull too hard with a graphite rod against a fish on a crankbait.  My choice of mono for the last 4 years has been Cabellas Pro Line.  The reason, its dependable and cheap.  I know, someone's going to claim its not as well made as the name brands.  I don't buy that, I have used it and used it.  Out of over 50 spools of it, I have only came across 1 bad spool.  I believe that mono basically comes out of the same factory off the same lines for most brands, it just gets a different sticker at the end.  BTW:  I once got a spool of Cabellas line that had a Trilene sticker under the Cabellas sticker.  The thing is, at $5.99 for 1200 yards, you can change often which I highly recommend on any mono.

For worms, jigs, and other slow moving baits, I use that cussed braided Fire Line.  When I say cussed, you can't fish that junk long without cussing.  If you hang up, you can guarantee the next cast will land there, it will slice you hand faster than a Case knife, and it is extremely hard on equipment like reels and rod guides.  It has 2 redeeming characteristics that make it viable otherwise I don't know of a sole who would put up with it.  Those are No Stretch (therefore you feel your bait much better) and no memory.  Past that it goes down hill fast.

My 4th type is the Mason's line.  That's the old fashioned braided nylon that looks as big as a small rope.  I use it for 1 thing, shiner fishing in Florida.  The 1 and only reason to use it is it can be waterproofed with boot waterproofer  to make it float.  A real plus on that tactic in the grass.  Mono or other sinking lines won't work.  There are some people now using fire line for this purpose (it floats out of the box).  While the bigger braid does have an advantage of having less of the above problems of Fireline it does still have them to a degree.

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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2003, 03:20:05 PM »
I use Spider Wire. Fireline, and Spiderline. I'll use Berkley XL if I can't get spiderline, and I like the Silver thread , too, altho I haven't seen it around much lately.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2003, 08:14:28 PM »
As a tournament bass fisherman and a sales rep for Penn Reels, I can say that I use 8lb. P-line for my spinning reels, and I use 30lb Power Pro on my baitcasters, Power Pro has an extreme downsize in diameter, so I can get away with no stretch and small diameter.  I love both of them.  Not to mention, both are extremely abbrasion resistant and have little memory.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2003, 06:59:27 AM »
I have always used cheap line for years but when i started fishing for bass 5 to 6 days a week I was losing lures and fish. I seen a line test on lurenet.com and Excaliber silver thread out preformed all the other lines in tests like bending and abrasion testing I have used silver thread for 4 years now on my spinning reels with less/no lost lures and no lost fish. The other line i use is fireline on one baitcaster and power pro braid on two other baitcasters and one spinning setup for fishing tight structure and thick weeded areas.                                  BigBill

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2003, 05:15:02 AM »
P- Line is hard to beat for bassin. regular stren is ok too. Berkley Whiplash (braid) is not bad for big ol musky. :D
if your looking for cheapbut good enuff, Bass Pro's EXCEL line will work fine. i change line often anyway. :-)

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« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2003, 04:59:23 PM »
Are you from up around Cave Run?

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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2003, 01:26:52 PM »
I use the old "Lynch Line" braid on my flipping rods. I still have a good supply and it'll do for a tow rope in an emergency. (Iuse the 80# test) For rats and frogs I use the Fireline, it allows me to bring a fish out of the pads without him getting his head down. Works well on buzz and spinners too! For all my mono applications I have been using "Silver Thread" for 15yrs with good results. It's small dia. and low vis color allow me to fish it in the heavier weights even in clear water. It is also one of the most limp monos I have used. Second choice is "Trilene" There are a lot of good lines out there now under the store brands. With few exceptions it would be hard to find a really poor quality mono nowdays---boils down to personal prefference I guess--------
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2003, 03:44:42 PM »
Just curious,

Of the braid users, paticularly the newer type stuff like Fireline and Power Pro, etc, have you found it pretty dependable, or somewhat full of surprises?  My experience with braid hasn't been the most plesant.  Seems like there are times when it will straighten a 7/0 tempered hook and pull the boat under water, and at other times, it just pops for no good reason.  I know, I know, retie often, but seems like it just surprises me every now and then.  It could be the type cover I fish, I don't know.

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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2003, 02:23:27 AM »
In the rocks the braids fray and break. Just have to check it often. But in the wood and grass that is on my home lake they work great! When flipping you have to move a fish away from cover with the hookset. I use a snap to set the hook and then try to sweep him from cover before he can get down in it and pull off. Hard to do this with a strechy line. Same thing allmost in the grass, have to keep his head up if you plan to get him out of the pads or grass. I use a lot of braids. I think the ability to "feel" a pick up outweighs most of the disadvantages of the braids. I think you need braids and mono to fish effectively.
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2003, 03:07:11 AM »
I figured that was probably my problem with it.  In these highland reservoirs, most of what i fish is Rock.  Its got 1 redeeming characteristic though, you can fee fish bat their eyes at it.

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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2003, 04:33:56 AM »
I fish a lot of plastic and the "feel" I get with the braids puts a lot of fish in the boat that I might not catch with mono. Forgot to mention earlier that it cuts thru grass and pads pretty well too. They say it's hard on rod guides too, but I've not found that to be true on my rods, yet anyway. The old "LYNCH" braids are white, but camo nicely with a green and a brown magic marker applied to the spooled line.
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2003, 07:23:13 AM »
Skipper,

When the braids first came out I tried "Fireline" and like you got surprised.  Wrap it around the back cleat and haul up old logs you snagged up on one time and the next have it break roll casting a 1/4 oz. spinner.  My best luck has been with "Spider Wire".  My only problem with it is just how quick you can cut yourself with it.  You learn quick not to wrap it around your hand or fingers when cinching down whatever knot you are using.  For braid I prefer the "Uni Knot" as it seems to hold better for me.  You got a better knot to use on braid?  I'm open to any new way of tying knots.  Lawdog
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2003, 01:51:47 PM »
The only reason I use Power Pro and Fireline is that the come in Florescent.  I fish a lot of night tourneys through the summer, and have to have it that way.  I really hate using 1 type of line in daylight and then switching brands/type at night.  I'd rather use the same thing all the time to keep the timing and technique the same.
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« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2003, 02:32:57 PM »
Lawdog,
The palamor (spelling?) knot works best for me with braids and mono. Homer Circle says the old "Hangman's Noose" is the strongest of all the knots. Braid is not compromised by the heat and friction as the knot pulls down like mono, so I'd say if it don't pull out it should work with braids---
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« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2003, 02:40:49 PM »
I actually did a test of braid knots when I first started using them.  The first trip, I had the knot pull out a couple times, and come home mad.  I went out into my shop and got a hook tied several knots to it and pulled on it by dallying the line to a big bolt and hooking the hook to a vise.  The best knot I found was a variation of the Palomar.  Instead of running the double loop through the eye once, I found running it twice significantly increased knot strength and eliminated the slipping knots.  

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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2003, 01:45:36 AM »
Skipper,
I kinda sorta did a simular test using weights. I wrapped the line around a broom handle and lifted the weights and recorded the break strength of the line. I started out at 50% of the line's rated test and added weight till it broke on a dead lift. I still have that info somewhere, but as I recall the braid didn't allways break at the knot. With the mono it allways broke at the knot. In my tests the palamor was the strongest knot. Twice thru the eye sounds good too but would be difficult to do with some of the smaller hooks I use. Those tests are what got me using the Lynch braid and Silver Thread mono. I use Spider wire and Fireline interchangeably on my spinning reels and find they both work well. They pretty much eliminate the loops. I'm looking forward to fishing this year. My boat is in the shop, but I should have it back next week. I live on a 7000 acre timbered lake and I can hear it calling me!
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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2003, 09:54:08 AM »
Savage,

Using a "Hangman's" knot would give new meaning to the term getting hung up.  :-D Sorry about that.  You're right the "Hangman's Noose" should work, I'll try it Sat. and see if it does.  Lawdog
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« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2003, 02:31:43 PM »
Lawdog,
It'd be easy to make two passes thru the hook eye on even the smaller hooks and still tie the noose-----might be stronger??
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« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2003, 06:36:21 AM »
2 loops on the hook eye will make almost any knot stronger.  That's a good idea with the Hangman's knot.  The worst thing on the hangman's is burning the mono when cinching it down.

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« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2003, 08:09:52 AM »
Skipper,
When chinching any knot with mono I allways moisten it with salava or spit, which ever is available. This lubrucates the mono and reduces the heat friction. Rarely have a knot fail anymore.
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« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2003, 02:30:12 PM »
Savage, is there a difference?
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« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2003, 03:02:08 PM »
Bama Boy,
Well, down here it's spit. But I bet it's saliva in Indiana!
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« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2003, 03:34:05 PM »
In Kentucky, its a Tobacco Stem.  I do that too, but sometimes, it will burn in spite of it, paticularly if the knot tightens before it hits the shank.  Usually I catch that though and retie immediately.

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« Reply #24 on: March 16, 2003, 08:20:59 AM »
Fish Fomula makes a better lubricant than saliva and I usually have more of it on a good hot summer day.
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