Author Topic: Got myself in trouble for a CC article (Read 1755 times)

Cheyenne Ranger · « **on:** January 09, 2005, 01:16:51 PM »

Well, it seems the best intentions get you in trouble. I wrote an article for the Cowboy Chronicle and they just published it on p40. Several people on the SASS wire called it a way to cheat and accused Tex and crew of giving instruction in such.
I had written it as a temporary way to use a 12 ga slide for 20 ga shells for a new shooter--turns out my goal, while "noble" was illegal under SASS rules. Been awhile since I've been accused of cheating--figure I'll just hang around our CAS site here. Let the SWR (SASS Wire Regulars) do their thing to someone else.

Why can't we all just get along?.... :grin:

CR

Prof. Fuller Bullspit · « **Reply #1 on:** January 09, 2005, 01:33:43 PM »

I read that article. I didn't think you were suggesting that this was a permanent solution nor a competitive advatage. It was clear that you were showing what could be done to help a pard without a shotshell slide in his caliber.

The editor's comment at the end of the article also made this clear. I expect things will settle down over there. Sometimes people are a bit more harsh than they might intend to be.

leverfan · « **Reply #2 on:** January 09, 2005, 04:20:26 PM »

I read the article, and I read the subsequent lynching on the SASS wire. The folks on the wire are not, as a group, as polite as folks over here on GBO. It looks like members' email addresses are on public display over there, too. I, for one, have decided to just lurk on the wire, rather than join it. GBO is a heck of a lot more comfortable.

CR, I understood the point of your article. And, some of the same folks that were raking you over the coals on the wire post about rewelding and grinding hammers to modify them (against the rules), or use Kydex-lined Evil Roy holsters (against the spirit of the game, IMHO). You were consistent with the spirit of the game, and welcoming new shooters to club level matches. There's a wide gulf, sometimes, between the letter of the law, and the spirit. I'm old fashioned, it's the spirit that matters to me.

Cheyenne Ranger · « **Reply #3 on:** January 10, 2005, 02:09:41 AM »

Yeah, agree with ya'll. Seem some of them just "look" for something to gripe at. Figure if they saw my reply they would either fish or cut bait. Getting the feeling they are out to get Tex and CC more than personal attack on me. Such is life....

CR

Seafarer · « **Reply #4 on:** January 10, 2005, 08:16:12 AM »

Hey Ranger,
Don't sweat it to much, some people have no life except lurking around the internet being hurtful in any way they can find. I check 10 to 15 forums a couple of times each day. I don't post much because they are out there, unless something hits a nerve.
I expect a lot are just some kind of wanna-bes' that don't shoot in anyway. I was just out in the dog yard cleaning up what these people are full of. Somewhere we, as a country, have lost some of those inportant values some of us were taught. If you don't have anything to say comes to mind. Don't get me wrong a different opinion or in this case a diplomatic post about how your idea may be construed to be a way to cheat is OK, otherwise how do we learn.
Have a good one and just skip over the bad stuff.
Seafarer

montana · « **Reply #5 on:** January 10, 2005, 01:36:17 PM »

Yep exactly the reason I seldom post anything on any forum anymore. I've been a regular here at GBO since it started (back in the ol log cabin days, n just three of us to start) now there be so many people and so many toes(opinions) ya can't say schmidt. That and I don't have the education of some and sometimes I get a short circuit twix ma finger and brain, then things don't always come out right. So just color me a lurker an old one at that. Charlie Bull :twisted:

Cheyenne Ranger · « **Reply #6 on:** January 11, 2005, 02:03:22 AM »

Went on and posted again on this same topic, then decided to do a bit of editing and let sleeping dogs lie (they could tell the truth :grin: )

My biggest problem was thinking I was giving a way to help and then have it rammed down my throat.

Wonder why all the critics never pen an article for CC? There were some good ideas on how to do this legally but didn't see anyone stepping up to write it. Easier to gripe.....

Now I'm going to take my ball and go home :wink: :wink:

CR

williamlayton · « **Reply #7 on:** January 11, 2005, 02:31:51 AM »

This is off topic.
I am pleased as punch too see your doin good in the recovery department CR.
Blessings

Cuts Crooked · « **Reply #8 on:** January 11, 2005, 05:48:57 AM »

Cheyenne, Mi Amigo, don' sweat the small stuff! If yer article helps one single new shooter git off to a good start, then it's worthy of your efforts! And I applaud you fer it!

As you know I'm an occassional contributor to the CC, and I get tired of the bickerfests that crop among the SWR too. I've told a number of them that if they don't like what's in the Chronical, then they oughtta hit the keyboard themselves and pound out something they would like to see in print. Don' get no takers though. But they are keyboard Warriors and Heavan Forbid that they put something in print that could be critiqued by others! :excuseme:

Far as I'm concerned...YA DONE GOOD PARD!!!!!!

Graybeard · « **Reply #9 on:** January 11, 2005, 06:19:28 AM »

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Yep exactly the reason I seldom post anything on any forum anymore. I've been a regular here at GBO since it started (back in the ol log cabin days, n just three of us to start) now there be so many people and so many toes(opinions) ya can't say schmidt. That and I don't have the education of some and sometimes I get a short circuit twix ma finger and brain, then things don't always come out right. So just color me a lurker an old one at that. Charlie Bull

Hi Dan. Been wondering what happened to you. Haven't seen any posts from you in a coon's age. Hope all is well up your way. Still hope to make it up there one of these days for a short visit and to see yore stompin grounds.

Things like happened at the SASS Wire are just exactly what my rules here are designed to prevent. We are just not gonna let that happen here. If I see an attempt to I'll head it off. If I don't see it I expect my moderators to see it and head it off. We just ain't gonna act that way here.

montana · « **Reply #10 on:** January 11, 2005, 01:14:22 PM »

Hey GB...Well since I got my wife and son-in-law involved in CAS seems like all I get done is reload ammo. Built 2 gun carts building another for my leather provider. We belong to two clubs and one of em shoots year arround, which rat now ain't the funnest thing to be doing. Its real white out and lookin at below 0* at night for the next 3 + days. Other than that I do show up here daily if only to check things out before I head out to my hidy hole for some quiet time. Amigo, I to look forward to the day we can face to face again. Later my friend Montana :twisted: Charlie Bull :twisted: Dan

Greybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2005, 05:34:22 PM »

Yeah we're having some tough weather here to Dan. Today when me and Faye were out looking for a new stove and dish washer fer her I had to turn on the AC cuz it wuz too dang hot with just the vent open. Rough winter down here in Bama. I think it only got up to high 60s today. :-D

Henry Horns · « **Reply #12 on:** January 13, 2005, 03:25:07 PM »

C.R.
Sorry to hear you taking flak over your helpful suggestion. :?
If I get the postman to cough up my Chronicle I'd like to read your article.
I had the same dilemma with Hazel Anna not having a 20 ga.slide so I found one for her for Christmas. Would rather have done somethinh less expensive for awhile.
Hang in there Cowboy.

Henry

Holiday · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2005, 03:59:10 PM »

CR, don't sweat the folks over there. I read the flaming first, then the article. I have found that some of the folks over on the SAS Wire take theirselves a little toooo serious. I seem ta remember getin' into CAS for the fun of it. I think they need to learn that.

howdy doody · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2005, 05:12:57 PM »

Howdy Cheyenne Ranger,
I didn't get the CC, but I always remember that some folks just look for stuff to call you out on. We have costume police, rules police and equipment police. Well, my take on it after shooting many local events is that most everything done in a good spirit is accepted. Now at a annual, regional or other Sass sactioned event, I would use caution on equipment choices and such. From what it sounds like to me your idea is to address new shooters and such and that would be on a local level as you won't see new shooters these days showing up at big matches to shoot for the first time like you did years ago. As was said before, don't sweat it. I have come to realize as the organization grows in membership you still hold that small percentage of folks that like to squak and nowadays there is more of them, but the percentage is very small. Most CAS shooters are out in the outdoors shooting to have a good time with good friends and that is the whole of it. The number of gripers is tiny. Have a good time, thanks for trying to help others, that is the cowboy way. :lol:

Throckmorton · « **Reply #15 on:** January 21, 2005, 05:02:42 AM »

A lot of folks don't read an article or post clear through before they answer.I post on a lot of Boards and the answers and replys you see to a querry have NOTHING to do with what was asked.Your article PLAINLY stated that it was a temproary fix,and so did the eds. comments.
This is a game,and ANY THING we can do,especially at club level,to allow a shooter to shoot that day is ok with me.....
UNLESS it's evil roy or lead dispencer or Ht or.... asking to bend the rules. :grin:

Dalton Masterson · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2005, 02:18:57 PM »

Cheyenne Ranger, Howdy!
I personally liked your article, and am gonna use that tip for my wife, until I get her some 20 ga. slides made. My local club wont mind, as its not a big shoot, and at least we are there shooting. I am sure that there are lots of others out of the 60,000 SASS members that feel the same way. To be honest, my dad shoots 16 ga, and I did the same thing for his first shoot last year. It does work well, and beats having the shells fall on the ground! Happy shootin' DM

waynemorgan · « **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2005, 09:52:38 AM »

i got the same treatment here a few weeks back .some peoples life just sucks so bad all they can do rag on someone else :?

Old Cane · « **Reply #18 on:** March 30, 2005, 10:36:28 AM »

Well, between Tex, who always seemed to have something derogatory to say in his editorials, and those evil spirits on the wire I counted the days until my SASS membership expired a few years back. I quit shooting after about 8 months and started throwing the CC in the trash when I got it after 6 months.

I miss the guys at the clubs I shot at and all the nice ones I met here and other places and I realize I didn't have to belong to SASS to shoot but what's the point of getting better and then not be able to go to a big shoot?

So yeah, I can see you getting blasted. You had an idea (I didn't read it and don't relly know what it was but I can relate) that might help someone and they didn't think of it themselves so you must be a cheater! Ha! Caught you, you ole skunk. Suprised old Tex didn't accuse you and it got published in the first place. Now, if someone on the wire had presented it and it goes 'round and 'round through the posters over there, some knowing the rules, some thinking what the rules ought to be and some just out in left field there would be some shooter showing up the next week and being told by their club they can't do it and others at other clubs saying to new shooter "here, just try this".

Why can't we all just get along? Because we just can't. In general shooters are some of the nicest people I have ever dealt with and the CAS bunch the cream of the crop. But it only takes an original idea or a few bad apples to spoil it for the rest.

Lawful Larry · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2005, 04:40:10 AM »

CR, don't sweat that bunch over at the SASS wire. Nothing you say or do will stop them from being ignorant. They have had a history of bushwacking folks for years. Been jumped myself for standing in for a pard when attack. They can get vicious for sure. :biggun:

If ya got an idea, I know I want to hear it. And I am sure others here want to also. :wink: