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Offline sc03a3

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« on: January 09, 2005, 02:52:18 PM »
:D greetings, new guy on this forum with a question and request. i just picked -up what i believe is a no.1 rem. receiver and trigger guard, its marked remington arms co. and then a bunch of pat. dates, last date is 1874, serial no. is 13xx, rec. ring is 1.375 long and just under 1" i.d.. i would like to build this into a 38/55 do you folks think this is feasible? if so, i need a breech block,hammer, and all springs, any info would be appreciated. thanks for looking.......sc03a3

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2005, 08:29:19 AM »
It is quite feasible to build a 38-55 on a #1 rolling block, that is one of the most suitable cartridges for it.  It will make an excellent rifle, if used with black powder or reasonable smokeless loads.

The condition of your project should be a concern though.  Parts for the rolling blocks are neither plentiful or cheap.  I have probably more parts for the rolling block than almost anybody in the U.S. (not offering to sell, though) and I can tell you first hand that it will be tough to find an appropriate breech block for your action.  Hammers and other parts are relatively easy to come by, but I probably get 5 or 10 loose hammers for every breechblock I get.  When I get a loose breechblock, it often is a non-standard size or in poor condition, left over from someone elses earlier mistake.  A good breechblock will usually bring around $100 on the parts market.

There are castings available from a couple of sources, but unless you are very good at working on rolling blocks I wouldn't even consider doing that.  The rolling block is a deceptively simple action with few parts and what looks like non-critical dimensions.  But, the relationship between the parts is critical to work correctly.  That's why all the rolling blocks are the same.  Once Remington worked out the geometry, everybody else copied them, because that's what works, and it's hard to arrive at different geometry that will work.  Some of the swedish RB's are different, but they don't differ by a whole lot, usually only block width and extractor style.

Bottom line is that if you want this to happen, find a complete, workable action and start from there.  Starting from parts and assembling unrelated parts into an action is not an easy path for your first RB, and will probably run more money before you're done.  

Best of luck,
dave

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2005, 12:21:46 PM »
sco3a3, try Ebay, i've seen several for sale in the last year or so. I don't know a lot about them but I think the no#5 rolling block hammers and breech blocks will fit. That statement should bring in some offerings of wisdom from the Guru's like John Travler and a few more and then we all will be a little wiser, Ok boys , lets have some info. :grin:

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2005, 06:33:56 PM »
thanks for the info, i tried the parts from my no.5 in this receiver and they work fine. i found a place here in ok. that has cast parts, i will give them a call, i have the machine tools to do this type of work and now the time, so i may go this route, thanks again for the info.....sc03a3

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2005, 06:53:26 PM »
If you have the expertise to do it, the castings are definitely the way to go.  Borrow some parts to copy, it will really speed up the process.  The block will need a heat treat, so will the pins, which are easily turned from 1/2" drill rod.  Trigger and block lock lever springs can be easily made from .050 spring wire instead of the original flat leaf springs if missing.

Screws for the rolling block are available from Cedar Creek Screw and Machine, PO Box 1531, Woodland WA 98674-1531, Ken moss is the name.  kenmoss@pacifier.com is the email.

While you're doing the machine work, I would suggest milling the military action to sporter configuration.  A couple of years ago in the ASSRA Journal, there was an excellent series of articles on how to do it.  I would suggest getting a copy of them to work from.

Good Luck,

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2005, 07:19:54 PM »
thanks dave, thats the kind of info im looking for. i have already made the pins,and was going to make the block and hammer if i did not find the parts i needed. after finding that cast parts are available it will easier to finish them than make new ones. thanks again ....sc03a3

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2005, 09:49:53 AM »
SCO3A3, I have made several pins using the heat treated 4140 chrome moly rod that I purchased from Mcmaster Carr (Mcmastercarr.com). I have shot one of the rollers in 45/70 close to a thousand times with no gain in head space at all. I use smokeless and black powder at safe levels.

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2005, 09:58:11 AM »
ssdave , how could a man lay hands on a copy of the ASSAS article you mentioned ?