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Offline longwinters

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« on: January 09, 2005, 02:59:48 PM »
Well I have finished my test of the Nosler bullets that I am interested in.  Did loads with Partitions, Accubonds and Ballistic tips.  Used Winchester and Remington brass, Federal primers and H-4831 powder (57-58 gn) all cartridges were 3.33 OAL.  Used bullets in the formentioned types in 140& 150 gn bullets (as much as were available in the 3 bullet lines).  this was out of my 280 Sako.  Of course shooting off of a bench.  Temp was about 22 degrees with a slight back breeze.  Also the groups were 3 shot, as that is about all the longer I can stay mentally focused.

All groups were max of 3/4" down to 1/4" at 100 yds.  I was quite happy with the results since I am not that great of a shot.  I think the big difference was going to the H-4831 powder.  The load was from an article by John Barsness and is probably a couple of grains over what you will read in a reloading guide.  Infact, of the 3 that I have none even mentioned H-4831 as a powder to use.  

I know there are not many 280 shooters out there but H-4831 with 140-150 gn bullets seems to be magic . . . at least for me.

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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2005, 07:29:09 PM »
Longwinters:

Hogdons Annual manual list the following...


140 gr Nosler Part

H4831..start...54.0 grains...2732fps..41,000 cup...max 58.5 grains...2927 fps...48,5000 cup


150 gr Nosler Partition

H4831...start 50.0 grains 2579 fps...45,100 cup....max...53.7 grains...2709 fps...49,500 cup...

140 grain...3.230" OAL
150 grain..3.300" OAL

cases Remington trim to 2.530"...Remington 9-1/2 primer...velocities from a 24" barrel...

Hope that helps...


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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2005, 03:46:10 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2005, 04:53:58 AM »
That's good and accurate! Nice job.  

I like 4831SC because it meters so well.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2005, 12:51:53 PM »
Can anyone discuss the reason why, as in the Hodgdon data above,  Hodgdon will show a max load that is so far under the SAAMI max pressure for that cartridge?   Other companies do the same in their books.  Why don't they keep upping the load until they approach max CUP?  If dangerous pressure signs appear on the brass/gun/primer then why does the cartridge deserve the higher pressure rating? confused
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2005, 01:01:53 PM »
Hodgon manual eh?  I better get my hands on one since Nosler, Speer and Sierra manuals don't go there. :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2005, 05:13:46 PM »
clodbuster, Ammo manufacturers do a lot of testing to find the "right" loads for each cartridge. When handloading, I've always found matching the factory load is a good starting place for optimum accuracy and function. Usually factory loads are well under maximum pressure.

When you load "hot", (near max pressures), you will dramatically increase throat erosion (barrel life),  stress other parts of the gun and probably won't get the accuracy of a lower pressure load.

A slow burning powder can develop the same muzzle velocity as a fast burning powder. The difference is the slow burner will do it with a much lower chamber pressure.


For most any given cartridge, there is a powder with the right burn rate that will give the desired results without coming close to max pressure. In fact, many lower pressure loads will chronograph faster than max pressure loads. In other words, max pressure does not equate to max power or max accuracy.
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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2005, 05:42:45 PM »
I categorize three kinds of big game hunting cartridges:
1300fps Good to 100 yards. With a little practice to 150 yards.
2400fps. Good to 200 yards. With a little practice to 300 yards.
3000fps. Good to 300 yards. With a little practice to 400 yards.

Within those groupings, an extra 100 fps or 200 fps does nothing, so why push the pressure limits?  Bullet selection becomes more important.
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2005, 01:47:03 PM »
Iowegan  What you say seems rational enough but more specifically, my question is why not up the dose of H4831, a slow powder in the 280, and gain some more velocity when the pressure shown is 4000+ cup under the saami rating.  It seems too much potential is being left of the table. Why not get it and eliminate the need for a 7 mag?
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2005, 04:32:56 PM »
clodbuster, I understand your logic but its more for a safety margin. I like accurate loads and rarely find the hotter loads will give me what I want. I also like my guns to last as long a possible and I like to load my brass more than once or twice.

Here's the real reason: All powders will increase chamber pressure when the temperature goes up. This doesn't necessarily mean "outdoor" temperature. It means the temperature of the powder just before its fired. A hot chamber from firing a few rounds will increase powder temperature thus chamber pressures can climb to dangerous levels. That's one good reason to keep your loads well below maximum. If you have a Speer reloading manual, they have quite a dissertation on temperature. Speer only shows temperatures up to 100 degrees but your chamber can easily go to 150 degrees. Just lay your hand on the chamber and see if it doesn't burn you after a few rounds have been fired.

My personal policy has always been if I need more power than a factory load can deliver, I buy a bigger gun. Max chamber pressure for a 280 is 60k psi. 4k psi is less than a 7% chamber pressure margin.  I would rather use that 7% for a safety margin.
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« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2005, 09:08:55 AM »
Well said Iowegan!  I guess there some mysteries of powder diversity that are best left to the makers.  Thanks from a former Iowegan.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2005, 07:16:20 AM »
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Why not get it and eliminate the need for a 7 mag?


For several years running the .280 Imp was the most popular caliber chambered by Jarret Rifles for bean field rifles, and that was during the 7mm Mag and 7mm STW craze.

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