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Offline MarkA

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« on: January 11, 2005, 12:01:18 PM »
Anyone use this link?  How hard/easy to screw up is it?????????

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=26200
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2005, 12:07:39 PM »
Here is another great link for NEF trigger work
http://www.perkloafm.com/

It is a pretty simple deal IF you follow the instructions to the letter.  When they say to sand LIGHTLY then please sand lightly.  I sanded mine and put it back as per the instructions until I tired of that, and thenI sanded a little harder than usual.  That last sanding cost me some replacement parts from Numrich.  GO EASY on the stones!! :)

I printed out peklos intructions so that I could lay them out in front of me, that helped also.
Jeff

Sanding is technically not the correct term, honing is what I should have said.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2005, 01:19:52 PM »
I've done several, pretty easy to do once you've done one. I used Perklo's and Raynor's instructions but didn't use jig that Perklo made for removing the pins. Used Perklo's instructions more for R&R as he has detailed instructions for disassembly and reassembly. Here's my report on the first one I did....as Jeff said, you are only honing the contact points and polishing the pins and bores...

http://www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=44490&highlight=raynor+perklo
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2005, 12:54:02 AM »
Just saw the trigger disaster post.  Still have a couple of questions:

1. Do you need the Perklo thing, It looks much to detailed (difficult) for me?

2. Can you do just the Raynor deal and be OK?

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2005, 01:30:47 AM »
I did what quicktdoo did. I printed both sets of instructions, and used both for references. I did not make Perklo's jig either but did make a slave pin for reassembly. It was not difficult to do but it does take some mechanical aptitude. Sometimes we think just because we can do it, anyone can. If you don't feel comfortable doing it, then by all means, don't.

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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2005, 02:45:59 AM »
I am not scared of it, Have done my 10/22 hammers and sears and polished and taken apart my Romanian trainer trigger groups.  If the Raynor is what this is like, I am up for it, if it is the Perky deal, NO WAY!

Question for the Raynor folks,
A. You remove the two pins and the entire trigger group come out, Yes?

B. Why the modification on the spring?

C. Does anymore STUFF come out, or only the trigger group?

D. Do you polish the pins?
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2005, 03:23:07 AM »
Anyone ever done a trigger on a Rossi single shot? Have a 17 HMR with a 100lb. ( seems like ) trigger. My Rossi 223 and Handi 243 have good triggers......... :cry:
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2005, 03:53:29 AM »
The perklo stuff is really detailed and therefore helpful as a reference.  I made no jig, but when i got my trigger where I wanted it I did dance a jig!! :-D   Perklo is  good to read first. The slave pin is a must.  Gotta do that!!  Its not complicated once you get into and see that there a very few [less that 1/2 dozen] moving parts.

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2005, 04:26:10 AM »
MarkA,

2 pins will drop the trigger assembly out, 1 small pin and the lower large pin.

You'll need to take the hammer out also, which is the large pin just above the large trigger assembly pin. (see pic)

Make sure to drive the pins out in the direction shown, the pins are splined on one end and will only drive out in one direction.

Shortening the trigger return spring helps reduce the trigger pull and also makes for a smoother pull.

Hammer, hammer spring, and trigger group are all that will come out if you remove only the 3 pins described and in the pic.

No, dont polish the pins.

Hope that helps,
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2005, 05:25:04 AM »
I've done four useing raynors guide works great, the first one I took out one too many pins. :eek:  I took a little while to figgure out how to get the transfer bar back in but I prevailed. The second problem was also my fault I didn't go slow on the honeing. This thing now has a hair trigger less than two pounds but it works, The other three worked out great. I don't use perkalos jig but I am gonna make one, I've got request to do several others and it would be helpful. 8)
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2005, 06:41:35 AM »
Thanks, y'all.  I am going to read read Raynor again.  Both his post and my print out are straight forward.

Amount of honing.  I LEARNED my lesson the hard way on that by doing my Marlin Model 60.  Just go for smooth, and take as little steel as smooth requires.  Three weeks and thrity dollars taught me that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2005, 11:26:11 AM »
Quote from: MarkA
Just saw the trigger disaster post.  Still have a couple of questions:

1. Do you need the Perklo thing, It looks much to detailed (difficult) for me?

2. Can you do just the Raynor deal and be OK?

Lookin' Scary!


Advice from the brink of disaster.

Do NOT START WITH OUT THE PERKLO instructions down loaded and printed out. Staple them read the whole thing.  Then when you start, only look at and work one step at a time. One page at a time.

Do it during the day. When you think you've got enough light go get one more if you are under 40. If you are over 40 go get two more.

I made those slave pins out of some threaded screws of some kind I had laying around.

For lube I used wheel bearing grease mixed with graphite.

They aren't joking when they say sand lightly, meaning stone. I didn't do any of the polishing on the inside of any holes and mine is as light as I'd ever want it to be.
I don't have a scale but it's probably the lightest trigger on anything I own. It's not a "hair" trigger it's an "RCH" trigger that breaks like glass.

I like it. It was worth it to do it.

I only wish I had drilled the hammer to speed up the lock time while I had it apart.

Oh yeah, a third hand comes in handy once in awhile if anybody can stand to be around you in a frustrating moment. I had to just grow one outta my butt.

Least that was the most repeatable suggestion I got when I made the request.
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2005, 08:06:11 PM »
Guys...at Raynors request...I deleted his post for the trigger job...Sorry...

Mac
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2005, 08:21:16 PM »
Oh oh, there's gonna be some disappointed DIY trigger fellas on the net...lots of people have asked me for the instructions to do their own triggers. I have ta believe that at least some of the growth at GBO has been from my links for the trigger and the NEF/H&R Centerfire board. Maybe Raynor will refine his instructions and repost em, although I thought they were fine the way they were...... :wink:
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2005, 08:59:14 PM »
So did I Quick...and told him so...if he wants to make it more" LIABLE" proof...I'll be glad to PM him  what he posted... :wink: though he did state clearly that anyone undertaking or following his instructions were on their own... and he couldn't be held accountable for someone elses mistakes...right up at the top...

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« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2005, 02:39:39 PM »
Hey guys, Raynor in particular.

I am very sorry if I hurt some one's feelings. With out Raynor's post I never would have attempted my project. I'll admit to getting the idea it was easier than it was but that was my own fault.

I think a link to the Perklo instructions might have been in order or even if the thread had not been locked right away would have given people a chance to elaborate but you can't expect a complete, down to the nitty gritty detail a fumble fingers like me needs on one messege board thread.

If not for raynor's thread I wouldn't have know the knowledge and help was available here at Greybeard's to save my butt and tell me where to go or how to proceed.

Once again, I'm sorry if I offended any one, in particular some one attempting to help everyon like raynor did. I've just been out in the bushy part of the internet to long I recon and don't behave right with normal people yet.
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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2005, 04:17:05 PM »
Wow, am I glad I printed Raynor's instructions by coincidence last evening!  :grin:   Unfortunately, though, the pictures in the printout don't have the greatest resolution.   Maybe Raynor will rethink his decision to remove the instructions.  

It's very clear that a DIY trigger job is an at-your-own-risk project.

I'm still thinking over whether or not I want to undertake it.  I may buy some spare parts from Brownell's before I do.
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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2005, 04:27:04 PM »
Come on Raynor, put them back, please. I have put off doing my triggers because the info was right there, now it's gone!!! I know I should have downloaded it but I did not. Would you consider putting it back for those on this board? One unhappy report should not be reason to remove it and hurt us all. I can only ask..Thanks for your (re)consideration...hopefully...MSP Ret....<><.... :(

now someone will probably start selling pirated copies of the downloaded instructions!!!
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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2005, 04:33:12 PM »
Hey MSP!  You're in luck!  Give me your credit card number and I'll scan the instructions and e-mail 'em to ya.   :grin:
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« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2005, 02:01:43 AM »
:D , OK Mainer!!!! Thats great!!!, my credit card number is 3, would you please print out those instructions on 100 dollar bills and mail them to me immediately!!!....<><.... :-D
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