Author Topic: .444 marlin (Read 2766 times)

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 23, 2005, 04:57:52 PM »

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Redhawk1,

Never said the .450 Marlin was any different or better, I said the .45-70 isnt superior to the .450 Marlin. Which basically means they are the same except when it comes to their use in bolt action rifles. Then the .450 Marlin takes the edge over the .45-70.

jackfish,

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The difference in useful case capacity between the 45-70 Gov't Winchester case and the 450 Marlin Hornady case is at least 3 grains.

Just how do you figure that with only a 1.7 grain case capacity difference? Remember to compare Hornady brass to Hornady brass(the only fair way to compare). Lawdog

Lawdog, you cannot compare case capacity in Hornady cases only, I use Winchester cases because they hold more powder than the Hornady or Remington cases. I load for my Shiloh Sharps and I use black powder and want to have more room, so I do not have to compress my powder as much for the 45-70. But it goes to show all cases are different. :grin:

jackfish · « **Reply #31 on:** January 23, 2005, 05:24:01 PM »

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the only fair way to compare

Why? I have been using Winchester 45-70 brass for 27 years and have no intention of comparing it to Hornady 45-70 brass, a Johnny-come-lately. When I talk about potential, I mean potential, not limitations. By the way, where does one find Hornady 45-70 brass?

Lawdog · « **Reply #32 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:18:35 AM »

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the only fair way to compare
Why? I have been using Winchester 45-70 brass for 27 years and have no intention of comparing it to Hornady 45-70 brass, a Johnny-come-lately. When I talk about potential, I mean potential, not limitations. By the way, where does one find Hornady 45-70 brass?

Why?? Because brass differs between different manufactures. Example, I find that Remington brass is somewhat softer that Federal brass. And case capacity can be different between different brands. I got my few .45-70 cases from Hornady four years ago when I was corresponding with them about building my first .450(a Ruger No. 1). Lawdog

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:28:25 AM »

Lawdog, I think Jackfish was getting at, why only use Hornady brass. Both he and I look for brass that has the most capacity. There for you have more potential from that brass.

But either round will thump you when loaded to full potential. :shock: :eek:

jackfish · « **Reply #34 on:** January 25, 2005, 10:29:13 AM »

So as a practical matter it is impossible for most people to use Hornady 45-70 brass. Therefore, it is undesirable to compare Hornady 450 Marlin brass with Hornady 45-70 brass. The comparison should be between what most people use, whether that is Winchester, Remington, PMC or Starline. It is likely that 99.99% of 45-70 shooters do not use Hornady brass. It is likely that the majority of 45-70 shooters use Winchester brass. Hence, the comparison of Winchester 45-70 brass and Hornady 450 Marlin brass is fair.

snowdog · « **Reply #35 on:** April 20, 2005, 11:00:08 AM »

I don't own a .444 yet.........I shot a buddies a while back along with our
45/70s, I live in Washington State. There is NO ANIMAL in this state
that the .444 wouldn't bring down easily. Yes that does include Moose.
It boils down to again,......what so many have said, If the shooter
knows the limitations of his gun. and understands where to put the bullet,
and how to get it there.

AntlersDS · « **Reply #36 on:** April 26, 2005, 04:07:53 AM »

Not trying to be a smart aleck, but how come some people keep saying all that is available for the .444 are pistol bullets when there as far as I know bullets and factory ammunition from Barnes, Hornady, Corbon, Garrett and Buffalo Bore etc that have stronger bullets made for the .444 and are some really potent loads. It is kinda like some people want to make sure the .444 keeps that reputation when it is really not true anymore. Just my .02 worth.

Ramrod · « **Reply #37 on:** April 26, 2005, 01:16:30 PM »

AntlersDS, the reason is because 90% of hunters do not reload, and probably never heard of Buffalo Bore. When they go to the local gun shop, or to Wally-word, pistol bullets are all they get. When they look at those 300 grain hollowpoint, or 405 grain softpoint factory bullets for the .45-70, it's hard not to be impressed.

victorcharlie · « **Reply #38 on:** April 26, 2005, 01:32:00 PM »

It's probably true that 90% of the people that hunt with a .444 don't need the "premium" ammunition". My bet is Remington corelots have killed more game than any other bullet made and have been killing game for some time.........Sure, there are better constructed and higher velocity loads out there.....at 2 to 3 times the price but the "average" guy really doesn't need it, only a few want it.....it's a nitch market......dead is dead........IMHO there arn't very many animals walking on North America that a factory loaded Remington corelot .444 won't make short order of..........with factory ammo.....